The White House has declared war on citizens - America has never been closer to a police state

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Who says President Trump was not authorized to have the documents.

You've not checked? You've read so little about this that you don't know? That is quite an incredible statement to make. It simply illustrates that you know so little about the matter that you aren't qualified to argue about it.

President Trump was always allowed access. But even as president he was not allowed to arbitrarily remove any documents from the White House (even to the WH residence). As Mr. Trump - ex-president, just an ordinary citizen, he is most definitely not allowed the documents.
 
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Who says President Trump was not authorized to have the documents.
The FBI I believe.
We have been through the Russia Russia Russia hoax and now the same people are putting out unverified accusation against accusation, just like before.
I think the accusation was pretty much verified by the classified documents they found which was government property
Except this time they found a magistrate who had posted anti-Trump information on the Internet.
They also found documents that it was illegal for Trump to have it seems.
 
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recentley iv been waking up to lots of new stuff i didnt know before and it checks out, its true. and it probley has something to do with why america is waging war on its citizens
Deep Zionist Infiltration Of The Church
january 24, 2018by christians united for palestine By CUFPa
To say that the church has been infiltrated by Zionist Jews would be an understatement. The proof is in the proverbial pudding.
Time to VANQUISH that monstrosity
1. Almost every church organization recognizes Israel’s right to exist based on the following lies: a) converted Jews of today are the Hebrews of the bible, when they’re not, and b) Judaism is the precursor of Christianity, when in fact it is a religion that used to be known as Babylonian Pharisaism or Rabbinism, not an Abrahamic faith.
2. Of all the Christian groups American Evangelicals are the worst in their fervent support for Apartheid Israel. A support that materialized because of the anti-Christ teaching in their churches of Dispensationalism or Rapture Doctrine, which falsely paints modern Israel at the center of biblical prophecies. Such unfortunate brainwashing prevents them from seeing straight.
Even thus, said underpropping is rapidly dwindling among internet-savvy Millennial Evangelicals.
“According to a survey, American evangelicals under 35 are ‘less likely than their older counterparts to offer unquestionable support for Israel, and are more likely to hold positive views of the Palestinians,'” reports MEMO.
“While 76 per cent of evangelicals over the age of 65 have a ‘positive’ view of Israel, among evangelicals under the age of 35, the number was only 58 per cent.
“Meanwhile, 66 per cent of evangelicals under 35 believe that ‘Christians should do more to love and care for the Palestinian people,’ compared to 54 per cent of those over 65 who share this view.
“Again, 41 per cent of evangelicals under 35 stated that they have ‘no strong views about the State of Israel,’ while only 22 per cent of those over the age of 65 responded the same way.”
Palestinian Supporters:Young Americans supporting Palestinians [Mohammed Elshamy/Anadolu Agency]
3. The Zionists keep on their payroll countless compromised preachers, such as John Hagee, to constantly brainwash the flock by spewing out their demonic bile in reference to Israeli “Jews” as God’s “Chosen People.”
Using his CUFI organization, John Hagee has become the prime mover behind the War on Christianity. He’s a fierce supporter of all the evil Israel does and stands for. Unfortunately, he is not alone in having sold out his soul to Zionist Jews and their Synagogue of Satan.
Hagee and many of his fellow mammonish preachers have been bought to propagate the falsehood that modern-day Israel is the fulfillment of God’s word in the bible, when Jews are not even the biblical Hebrews and the word Jew in like manner cannot be found in the non-translated bible.
So please, stop watching and supporting their TV programs which elevate Satanic Israel to the point of worship, and which try to deceptively morph Jesus into a Jew when He was never one. See Jesus was not a Jew. to finish, the link is below
Note: i dont know how true this is but it seems accurate. if so then we have no excuse why our country ends if it does. but to me its obvious whats going on, and in the end only one group wins and that's the main people at top of the pyramid.they created all these different societies all to do their own stuff to ruin this world, they created communism to take out the masses that didn't agree. doesn't anybody realize that if we don't learn from our past, were bound to repeat it. do your own research and learn all the things were being lied to about.
Deep Zionist Infiltration Of The Church
 
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The FBI I believe.

I think the accusation was pretty much verified by the classified documents they found which was government property
They also found documents that it was illegal for Trump to have it seems.
There were no classified documents found, President Trump declassified them. It's the same people who still have not been brought to justice for the Russia Russia Russia hoax. Again, just before an election.
 
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You've not checked? You've read so little about this that you don't know? That is quite an incredible statement to make. It simply illustrates that you know so little about the matter that you aren't qualified to argue about it.

President Trump was always allowed access. But even as president he was not allowed to arbitrarily remove any documents from the White House (even to the WH residence). As Mr. Trump - ex-president, just an ordinary citizen, he is most definitely not allowed the documents.
So you're not going to answer?
 
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"No president has the right to retain presidential records after he or she leaves office," Jason Baron said. "And so it is an extraordinary circumstance if presidential records are found in a former president's residence or anywhere else under his control."

In 1978, Congress passed the more sweeping Presidential Records Act that has been the standard ever since.

"Every president, when they leave office, those records that have been created by the president and his staff are presidential records that go to the National Archives," Baron said. "The owner is the American people."

This includes all presidential material, whether it's routine, unclassified notes or top-secret national security documents.
Before these laws, there were really no rules covering presidential records. Presidents just took what they wanted as they were leaving office.

The reason why presidents can't keep their White House records dates back to Nixon
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
Is this Jason Baron a professor?
 
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There were no classified documents found, President Trump declassified them.
Trump never had the authority to unilaterally declassify SCI documents. SCI documents were found at Mar a Lago. Even if he did declassify documents found at Mar a Lago, they would have been marked as being declassified. They weren't. But now comes the real kicker; none of the laws cited in the affidavit require documents to be classified. So it doesn't matter if the documents found at Mar a Lago were classified or not.
 
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Trump never had the authority to unilaterally declassify SCI documents. SCI documents were found at Mar a Lago. Even if he did declassify documents found at Mar a Lago, they would have been marked as being declassified. They weren't. But now comes the real kicker; none of the laws cited in the affidavit require documents to be classified. So it doesn't matter if the documents found at Mar a Lago were classified or not.
False. The President has full authority, SCI just means the records are compartmentalized, for example, maybe just those at the White House are allowed to see. The president's detailed schedule might be marked SCI. The Justice Department and the judge have decided to conceal major portions of the affidavit from the American people, they need to realize they will be impeached if they can't justify their extraordinary actions.
 
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False. The President has full authority, SCI just means the records are compartmentalized, for example, maybe just those at the White House are allowed to see.
You're wrong. Declassification of SCI documents involves several steps and deliberation with other government agencies.

The Justice Department and the judge have decided to conceal major portions of the affidavit from the American people, they need to realize they will be impeached if they can't justify their extraordinary actions.
Have you read the affidavit yet? There was enough information available on the redacted affidavit to show what the DOJ was searching for, the laws they believe Trump may have violated, and what had been found up to the point of the search warrant being issued.
 
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You're wrong. Declassification of SCI documents involves several steps and deliberation with other government agencies.

Have you read the affidavit yet? There was enough information available on the redacted affidavit to show what the DOJ was searching for, the laws they believe Trump may have violated, and what had been found up to the point of the search warrant being issued.
False. While the president does set up rules for government agencies using Executive Orders, the president does NOT include himself in such orders--he is the final authority. As to the heavily redacted pages of the affidavit, there is no reason to conceal so much information from the American people. I understand they want to withhold identities, but it is known that it was the same group that were involved in the Russia Russia Russia hoax. There is no justification for a raid instead of a subpoena.
 
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It doesn't really matter who or what he is. Follow the link about the law enacted in 1978.
"Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office."

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
Of course it does. All of the public have a right to see documents that are declassified. If NARA wanted copies of any records not in their possession then they should have asked, and if for some reason Trump or anyone else decided they did not then the proper path would be to try and get a court order or issue a subpoena. These documents have been locked up for fifteen months, there is no reason to use Gestapo like tactics in a raid of a personal residence.
 
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Of course it does. All of the public have a right to see documents that are declassified. If NARA wanted copies of any records not in their possession then they should have asked, and if for some reason Trump or anyone else decided they did not the proper path would be to try and get a court order or issue a subpoena. These documents have been locked up for fifteen months, there is no reason to use Gestapo like tactics in a raid of a personal residence.
You haven't been following this case too closely have you? The documents recovered are still marked classified, so the public has no right to see them. There had been multiple attempts to get the documents back from Trump since he left office. Trump's attorney even lied and said that all the classified documents had been returned back in June, but more were found afterwards. The documents were not locked up, they were found scattered in different unsecured locations at Mar a Lago.
 
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Of course it does. All of the public have a right to see documents that are declassified.
Is this true? I don't think so according to the warrant.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence whatsoever that any declassification took place other than FPOTUS' post hoc claim.

If NARA wanted copies of any records not in their possession then they should have asked, and if for some reason Trump or anyone else decided they did not the proper path would be to try and get a court order or issue a subpoena. These documents have been locked up for fifteen months, there is no reason to use Gestapo like tactics in a raid of a personal residence.
NARA didn't want copies, it wanted the originals. Trump was subpoenaed and the FBI got a warrant, a court order, to recover the documents. Haven't you been following the plot?
 
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There were no classified documents found, President Trump declassified them. It's the same people who still have not been brought to justice for the Russia Russia Russia hoax. Again, just before an election.
Believe what you want but the facts are they had a reason to search for classified documents and they found many (185 according to NPR). If they had been declassified, would they still be considered classified documents?
Over 180 classified docs removed by National Archives from Mar-a-Lago, affidavit says
 
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As to the heavily redacted pages of the affidavit, there is no reason to conceal so much information from the American people. I understand they want to withhold identities, but it is known that it was the same group that were involved in the Russia Russia Russia hoax.
The witnesses and informants in this case are not the same that were involved in the Russia investigation. One of the informants had very intimate knowledge of Mar a Lago and where documents were stored. This means at least one informant is someone close to Trump, or someone from within his inner circle. Some of the other reasons for keeping parts of the affidavit from public view can be found below:

First and foremost, the government must protect the identity of witnesses at this stage of the investigation to ensure their safety. As this Court noted, if information relating to witnesses were disclosed, "it is likely that even witnesses who are not expressly named in the Affidavit would be quickly and broadly identified over social media and other communication channels, which could lead to them being harassed an d intimidated."

If witnesses' identities are exposed, they could be subjected to harms including retaliation, intimidation, or harassment, and even threats to their physical safety. As the Court has already noted, "these concerns are not hypothetical in this case."

FBI agents who have been publicly identified in connection with this investigation have received repeated threats of violence from members of the public. Exposure of witnesses' identities would likely erode their trust in the government's investigation, and it would almost certainly chill other potential witnesses from coming forward in this investigation and others.

As Judge Jordan explained in Steinger, if details about an ongoing investigation are prematurely disclosed, such disclosures "would compromise the investigation and might also lead to the destruction of evidence."

Although the public is now aware that the government executed a search warrant at the premises owned by the former President and seized documents marked as classified, the affidavit is replete with further details that would provide a roadmap for anyone intent on obstructing the investigation. "Maximizing the Government's access to untainted facts increases its ability to make a fully-informed prosecutive decision."

The affidavit contains certain information that must be kept under seal pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) because it may disclose "a matter occurring before the grand jury." Although "Rule 6( e) does not draw a veil of secrecy over all matters occurring in the world that happen to be investigated by a grand jury," it bars disclosure of information that ';would reveal something about the grand jury's identity, investigation, or deliberation."


https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.98.0_1.pdf
 
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In fact it is the same counterintelligence division of the FBI that led the investigation of the Russia Russia Russia hoax. These people have been out to frame Trump so that the American people cannot vote for him. That is not going to happen. The Attorney General's resignation is in order. Our country is founded upon the principle that we all have equal rights, that means if you don't raid Hillary Clinton's residence when you find out she has Top Secret material on an unsecure server and she is not complying with a subpoena from Congress and is destroying documents, but raid the residence of the political opponent of Joe Biden (who appointed Garland) over some records he has been discussing with NARA (Trump even invited NARA to his residence) and Trump put a big lock on those records as the government had requested, and his residence was protected by the Secret Service. You also don't wait fifteen months if you think someone has nuclear secrets! The 4th amendment of the Constitution does not allow such searches, there was no national security threat, the A.G. needs to be prosecuted for misconduct and violation of his oath of office. Now we find out that the FBI (who knew the Hunter Biden laptop was NOT Russian disinformation) contacted Facebook and who knows how many others to suppress the facts so Joe could win the upcoming election!
 
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