The way the world is heading

[Bluelion]

So I was watching star trek the series. The episode was produced around 2005 or so. It was a story about these religious nuts who took over the ship. These people where in a war on their world with people who believed the world was created in 9 days, and the others thought 10. There were a few of them that question religion and they wanted to have an abortion and this was perfectly ok with the doc on the ship of enterprise, but they had to do it in secret because of their nutty leader.

The crew of Enterprise reclaimed the ship and took them back to their home world where it had all be destroyed by war, and the episode seem to be saying religious people are nuts and this is where religion gets you. On the show religious people objected to science, and the crew argued science has debunked the myth about Gods.

Never before has star trek taken a pro abortion anti religious stance on their show before.

Media is the way in which the government desensitize people to push there agenda. Is there a future in which religion all religion being banned? With the argument that it only cause wars and promotes hating other people?

I question this because the anti christ will claim to be God, and people will believe he is Jesus, so there must be religion at the end times.

All this is speculation of course.

But it would seem even old TV shows are now taking a liberal stance of being for gay marriage and for abortions, and against religion. The movies however are trying to cash in on Christianity with making of movies from Bible stories.

Where do you see this world head in the next 10 years, because i am seeing an all attack on Christianity, is anyone else seeing this?

I think there are dark days ahead, do you believe the rapture is near, and what do you believe about that?

 

[Vanguard PCD]

The Rapture is not biblical.

If you think it is I challenge you to find the chapter and verse, and use them within context. I will give you a hint...prior to the 18th century AD, The Rapture was not even a theory.

 

[Bluelion]

The Rapture is not biblical.

If you think it is I challenge you to find the chapter and verse.

Mathew 24:30-31
30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.[h] 31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

Mathew 24:39-40 NLT

39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.

40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.

Thessalonians 4:16-17 NLT

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died[h] will rise from their graves. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.

certainly sounds like a rapture.

here is a web site if you would like to read more there are many more places it speaks of this.
What Does the Bible Say About The Rapture?


Peace and Love
blu

 

[AFM]

Media is indeed controlled by the ungodly. It has ungodly principles and is, on top of that, a waste of time. I've also heard a sermon about television and 'visual entertainment' in general which claimed that watching television essentially switched activity from the right side of your brain to your left, making it harder to discern things, and from the top of the brain to the bottom? I forget about the last one. At any rate it has an effect on your mind, and furthermore it induces your brain to release endorphins, which produce pleasure, thus threatening addiction. According to a study, apparently, people who watched any kind of visual entertainment were far more likely to be involved in violent crime than those who didn't.

At any rate, the problem is that the world is heading towards destruction, and naturally the entertainment produced and approved of by the world is naturally headed towards the same fate. Since a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, why not simply abandon the bad fruit and the tree altogether and go to the good tree with the good fruit?

It is natural that the world would hate Christianity, for the very prince of the world is Satan, and Satan hates us.

 

[Bluelion]

Media is indeed controlled by the ungodly. It has ungodly principles and is, on top of that, a waste of time. I've also heard a sermon about television and 'visual entertainment' in general which claimed that watching television essentially switched activity from the right side of your brain to your left, making it harder to discern things, and from the top of the brain to the bottom? I forget about the last one. At any rate it has an effect on your mind, and furthermore it induces your brain to release endorphins, which produce pleasure, thus threatening addiction. According to a study, apparently, people who watched any kind of visual entertainment were far more likely to be involved in violent crime than those who didn't.

At any rate, the problem is that the world is heading towards destruction, and naturally the entertainment produced and approved of by the world is naturally headed towards the same fate. Since a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, why not simply abandon the bad fruit and the tree altogether and go to the good tree with the good fruit?

It is natural that the world would hate Christianity, for the very prince of the world is Satan, and Satan hates us.

Good point.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Apparently you missed the part where I said to use the verses in context...

 

[godenver1]

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[Vanguard PCD]

The Rapture is not biblical, in a traditional belief.

If you think it is I challenge you to find the chapter and verse, and use them within context. I will give you a hint...prior to the 18th century AD, The Rapture was not even a theory.

Allow me to expand on this further, now that I am awake...

I am aware of the verses that talk about being caught up in the clouds/sky. I am also aware that prior to the 18th century AD, those verses were just regarded as the resurrection of the dead, followed by the judgment found in Revelation 20. It was not until some 1,800 years AFTER Jesus that a "rapture" theory was even considered. In most cases, the verses are taken out of context, or not read in the Greek as intended.

Then comes the problem for those that do believe in the rapture. Are you pretribulation or posttribulation? If Jesus comes down from the clouds and does a "rapture," and then comes back later for His official return, He has not one but two second comings, which is definitely not biblical. As a matter of fact, the OT prophecies say that the messiah will get it all done on the first go around; there is no mention of a second coming.

But now we are getting into Judaism vs. Christianity, and I will stop there.

The true context of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, is to comfort those who have lost a loved one in death. It gives them hope that they will be reunited one day. In a subset, it also foretells what will happen to the rest of us, although Hollywood and some authors have exaggerated this.

Edit: my personal belief...

While I do not subscribe to the popularized movie idea behind a rapture, I could be classified as a posttribulation "believer." After the dead are raised and judged, per Revelation 20, then those who are still alive on earth will experience some type of transition.

This comes after critical consideration of Revelation 21. Once the new earth and new heaven are established, what about those who never died at the time of Jesus' 2nd coming? Surely they are not left behind.

 

[Bluelion]

Allow me to expand on this further, now that I am awake...

I am aware of the verses that talk about being caught up in the clouds/sky. I am also aware that prior to the 18th century AD, those verses were just regarded as the resurrection of the dead, followed by the judgment found in Revelation 20. It was not until some 1,800 years AFTER Jesus that a "rapture" theory was even considered. In most cases, the verses are taken out of context, or not read in the Greek as intended.

Then comes the problem for those that do believe in the rapture. Are you pretribulation or posttribulation? If Jesus comes down from the clouds and does a "rapture," and then comes back later for His official return, He has not one but two second comings, which is definitely not biblical. As a matter of fact, the OT prophecies say that the messiah will get it all done on the first go around; there is no mention of a second coming.

But now we are getting into Judaism vs. Christianity, and I will stop there.

The true context of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, is to comfort those who have lost a loved one in death. It gives them hope that they will be reunited one day. In a subset, it also foretells what will happen to the rest of us, although Hollywood and some authors have exaggerated this.

Edit: my personal belief...

While I do not subscribe to the popularized movie idea behind a rapture, I could be classified as a posttribulation "believer." After the dead are raised and judged, per Revelation 20, then those who are still alive on earth will experience some type of transition.

This comes after critical consideration of Revelation 21. Once the new earth and new heaven are established, what about those who never died at the time of Jesus' 2nd coming? Surely they are not left behind.

The tribulation period is God pouring out his wrath on the world. It is not Biblical to suggest God would pour out his wrath On his church. So there is that problem with your theory. I don't know about you But my God has time and time again spared the innocent from his wrath, and He would not change as the Bible says he is unchanging, and punish His church, His bride, with the rest of the world. That is why we talk of a rapture where the church , The bride is taken up.

Another point Those verses say called up to the sky if this is the second coming as you suggest why would they be called up to the sky. Jesus comes back to earth to rule for a thousand years, no one needs to be called any where as Jesus comes to earth. So there is that problem also with your theory.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

So there is that problem also with your theory.

It's not my theory.

 

[Bluelion]

It's not my theory.

no what is it then?

 

[All Souls]

Where do you see this world head in the next 10 years, because i am seeing an all attack on Christianity, is anyone else seeing this?

Nope, can't say that I am.

 

[All Souls]

Jesus and His Coming by J A T Robinson is good on this, you will probably read this at Bible College.

 

[godenver1]

So PA, in chronological order, what are your beliefs on the second coming and thousand year reign?*

*if you don't mind sharing

 

[Stone Butterfly]

I think the Star Trek episode you're talking about is called, "Catspaw".

What better way to program the masses with an audio-visual stimulus that's repeated over and over than with the medium of TV.

America started to crumble when the family was fractured. And with the advent of television.
Propaganda via radio was old hat. Now audio and visual stimulus could be employed to influence the psyche.

Remember the radio broadcast, well before TV was a factor in every home in America, "The War of the Worlds" ?
Orson Wells made a name for himself producing this broadcast.

And during that broadcast, when there were disclaimers that began at the start of the radio program and intermittently throughout, people were told the broadcast was a fiction. And even with all that it is said people were jumping from their apartment windows. Because they believed Martians were invading earth.

That broadcast reiterated how supple the human psyche is to influence.

Gays today are gaining ground because long years ago they were introduced on TV as something we could get along with.
"Soap" and Billy Crystal's character, Jodi Dallas.And from there we have the 21st century.

Gays are redefining marriage. Cross dressers are entitled to display themselves to the opposite sex in the most intimate locations. And in our schools, if the California law isn't overturned.
Arizona is already assaulting children this way. And so too is Delaware.

It is as if the world was shaken upside down and now the evil has its turn. And the righteous who are opposed are being prosecuted.

When we see Bibles rewritten to support sodomy as part of God's will, and we see the names of God edited out for fear it may offend a reader, the end is near.

So I was watching star trek the series. The episode was produced around 2005 or so. It was a story about these religious nuts who took over the ship. These people where in a war on their world with people who believed the world was created in 9 days, and the others thought 10. There were a few of them that question religion and they wanted to have an abortion and this was perfectly ok with the doc on the ship of enterprise, but they had to do it in secret because of their nutty leader.

The crew of Enterprise reclaimed the ship and took them back to their home world where it had all be destroyed by war, and the episode seem to be saying religious people are nuts and this is where religion gets you. On the show religious people objected to science, and the crew argued science has debunked the myth about Gods.

Never before has star trek taken a pro abortion anti religious stance on their show before.

Media is the way in which the government desensitize people to push there agenda. Is there a future in which religion all religion being banned? With the argument that it only cause wars and promotes hating other people?

I question this because the anti christ will claim to be God, and people will believe he is Jesus, so there must be religion at the end times.

All this is speculation of course.

But it would seem even old TV shows are now taking a liberal stance of being for gay marriage and for abortions, and against religion. The movies however are trying to cash in on Christianity with making of movies from Bible stories.

Where do you see this world head in the next 10 years, because i am seeing an all attack on Christianity, is anyone else seeing this?

I think there are dark days ahead, do you believe the rapture is near, and what do you believe about that?

 

[Bluelion]

Nope, can't say that I am.

Interesting where do you see the world in 10 years? I subscribe to a number of newsletters which highlights prescription of the Church around the world. Things the news don't show you is like in Egypt the Muslims were burning down churches raping and killing Christians. Places like China, Korea, and Other countries in Asia jail Christians often. Of course we know Christians are being killed in the middle east. In America Christians are now being accused of hate speech for speaking against gays. A preacher was arrest in Cally for preaching in front of the DMV. They said it had something to do with holding a captive audience however, the DMV was closed and now one was standing in line.

That is just a few things going on. In truth I think it has already started.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Things the news don't show you is like in Egypt the Muslims were burning down churches raping and killing Christians. Places like China, Korea, and Other countries in Asia jail Christians often. Of course we know Christians are being killed in the middle east.

Just to be fair, Christians have been doing the same thing, in the name of God, for centuries. There was this little era called the Crusades...

The Middle East hasn't forgotten about.

 

[tchilld50]

We are seeing the loss of religious freedoms today. Any business, church, that refuses to participate in same sex marriages will be sued. Our judicial system defeated DOMA, forcing states, like Utah, to perform same sex marriages. They are battling back, but I'm not sure they will win. We have become politically correct, Merry Christmas was changed to happy holidays. Many states have outlawed the creche, they don't want to offend non-believers with these exhibits of Christ's birth. Also, we have seen crosses removed from areas near expressways, main traffic exchanges, many having been in place for decades. Let's not forget the schools, the war going on there to remove anything, even in history classes, that teaches about the founding of this country. Our president stood up and said America is NOT a Christian nation.

Now we have the added problem of legal marijuana sales to contend with. States are going broke, Chicago is a great example, these drugs look like a cash cow for them. They have no idea what they are doing. There is little way to regulate growth, strength, taxation, who and where it is used, safety of children in the home, but the states are throwing caution to the wind in favor of "money". We can't handle legalized alcohol sales and use, how in the world will we handle drugs? Once the door is open for marijuana, believe me the other drugs will follow in hot pursuit.

This country is on a downward spiral, morals are all but gone, greed is the driving force behind much we see, and our government could care less about the citizens. They cater to the rich, powerful, anyone that can keep them in their cushy seats of power.

If we don't start making better choices, vote our Christian beliefs, nothing will change. I keep thinking about the verse, "if God be for you, who can be against you", if we could get past our differences, we could change the world. As long as we try to be a friend to the world, not offend those living in sin, we will remain an ENEMY of God. On judgment day we will stand before God and be judged for those decisions.

 

[AFM]

Vote our Christian beliefs? I agree with you mostly, but not there. America is a nation of the world, and whether or not we spend our time on politics and voting, it will still be on a downward spiral. We have to be a distinct people. We have to allow no grey areas! The unjustified things must be thrown away, so that the world may see that this is a strange people, and that people would hate us because our lifestyles would offend them. If the world finds us offensive, we should make ourselves more offensive! We ought to taunt the world and bait the world, fearing nothing but God and showing nothing but the Love of Christ and the Spirit of God! America is part of the world - and we should not love the world. We must love the people of the world and we must offend them, for if their consciences aren't kindled by our very dress and character, then we aren't witnessing as well as we can. (And I don't say I'm doing this - nay, I also have a very lacking witness.)

 

[Bluelion]

I think the Star Trek episode you're talking about is called, "Catspaw".

What better way to program the masses with an audio-visual stimulus that's repeated over and over than with the medium of TV.

America started to crumble when the family was fractured. And with the advent of television.
Propaganda via radio was old hat. Now audio and visual stimulus could be employed to influence the psyche.

Remember the radio broadcast, well before TV was a factor in every home in America, "The War of the Worlds" ?
Orson Wells made a name for himself producing this broadcast.

And during that broadcast, when there were disclaimers that began at the start of the radio program and intermittently throughout, people were told the broadcast was a fiction. And even with all that it is said people were jumping from their apartment windows. Because they believed Martians were invading earth.

That broadcast reiterated how supple the human psyche is to influence.

Gays today are gaining ground because long years ago they were introduced on TV as something we could get along with.
"Soap" and Billy Crystal's character, Jodi Dallas.And from there we have the 21st century.

Gays are redefining marriage. Cross dressers are entitled to display themselves to the opposite sex in the most intimate locations. And in our schools, if the California law isn't overturned.
Arizona is already assaulting children this way. And so too is Delaware.

It is as if the world was shaken upside down and now the evil has its turn. And the righteous who are opposed are being prosecuted.

When we see Bibles rewritten to support sodomy as part of God's will, and we see the names of God edited out for fear it may offend a reader, the end is near.

i agree. The latest is gay women want the right to go into the mens room and they have passed a law forget what state which says gays can go in the opposite sex bathroom.