The way in which Adam and Eve and The Garden Paradise is "true", may be beyond our comprehension...

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not really a problem for evolution here. After all, sex goes way back all the way to fish in the sea.

Why accept this, what men or demons came up with,
what the gestapo used , and the russians, to gain the loyalty of the gullible masses,
what is opposed to God's Word every day ?
Why accept 'theory' when God's Word is INFINITELY BETTER ?!? (and no evolution theory needed, ever)

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Why accept this, what men or demons came up with,
what the gestapo used , and the russians, to gain the loyalty of the gullible masses,
what is opposed to God's Word every day ?
Why accept 'theory' when God's Word is INFINITELY BETTER ?!? (and no evolution theory needed, ever)

Sorry, that argument lost out when Luther railed against the science that said the earth rotates instead of the sun moving, based on his idea that God's word is infinitely better than mere science.

Now some of us, at least, think that God's truth as revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes can be a perfectly fine guide to interpreting more accurately God's written word.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

idea that God's word is infinitely better than mere science.

As YHWH Himself Always Says.

Now some of us, at least, think that God's truth as revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes can be a perfectly fine guide to interpreting more accurately God's written word.

Contrary to what YHWH Himself Always Says.

(He forbids that kind of interpretation , simply, right in His Word, in case anyone thought it was okay)

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

As YHWH Himself Always Says.


Contrary to what YHWH Himself Always Says.

(He forbids that kind of interpretation , simply, right in His Word, in case anyone thought it was okay)

Sorry, that kind of interpretation lost out when we began to believe the earth rotates as the cause of day and night instead of the sun moving across the sky.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

guide to interpreting

THIS is where the error is. There is nothing temporal (seen) that helps YHWH , nor is needed by YHWH, to Reveal His Understanding to whomever He Chooses. "By Faith" does not only not require anything seen or physical, but refuses to even consider it.

Sorry, that kind of interpretation lost out when we began to believe the earth rotates as the cause of day and night instead of the sun moving across the sky.

This is moot point. ("that kind of interpretation" is not what you think/post here)

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

THIS is where the error is. There is nothing temporal (seen) that helps YHWH , nor is needed by YHWH, to Reveal His Understanding to whomever He Chooses. "By Faith" does not only not require anything seen or physical, but refuses to even consider it. . . . .

God reveals through seeing and in the physical all the time, and that mode of His revelation should not be disregarded.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God reveals through seeing and in the physical all the time, and that mode of His revelation should not be disregarded.

THat's not at all what I was referring to,
as also Jesus says "look not on what can be seen", rather on what is important! : the unseen.

 

[Neogaia777]

Re-posting...

 

[Tolworth John]

Yes, ever since man has been around. Has nothing to do with evolution, as you said.

You are missing what the passage says.
There has been no evolution of creatures into Man. Man has always been man.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You are missing what the passage says.
There has been no evolution of creatures into Man. Man has always been man.

You must realize that there are a great many of us who accept evolution to be true including evolution of man, and to us, denying that obvious truth seems to be totally out of touch with reality.

 

[Tolworth John]

You must realize that there are a great many of us who accept evolution to be true including evolution of man, and to us, denying that obvious truth seems to be totally out of touch with reality.

Oh an obvious truth. Please show me this obvious truth.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Oh an obvious truth. Please show me this obvious truth.

We're talking about evolution, remember?

 

[Colter]

The "way" in which Adam and Eve, before, in the "Garden", before being expelled and also possibly maybe even all of Genesis some say, is "true", and the important truth to it, and about it, all of it, and maybe the "big picture" of all of it, right now, maybe anyway, is or may be "beyond our comprehension" right now...? And it is only distant in that way, "Heaven" (or the Kingdom, or Paradise) that is at first likened to and presented to us as an Earth-like "Garden" to us at first, and other likenesses later on, I believe in order to try and convey the common thread, anyhow...

The way in which Adam and Eve and The Garden Paradise is "true", may be beyond our comprehension right now...

It could be talking about another kind of reality, where things are very different... What is being conveyed to us, meant to be a symbol of something higher and better and greater...

Comments?

God Bless!

The Old Testament was a religious, nationalist, political propaganda devise written for the scattered Israelite audience during the Babylonian captivity. There is no secular history of the Jews from that period, the history books mentioned in the scriptures vanished like Hillary Clintons e-mails!

The surviving narratives concerning Adam and Eve would have come from Mesopotamian lore looooong after the gardens and subsequent events.

The theology of the scriptures contains considerable conjecture and speculation by holy men concerning the meaning of distant events as they understood those it.

 

[Tolworth John]

We're talking about evolution, remember?

Yes and you have said that it is obviously true.
So I'm being sarcastic and expecting you to supply evidence for that which is unproven.

 

[Neogaia777]

The Old Testament was a religious, nationalist, political propaganda devise written for the scattered Israelite audience during the Babylonian captivity. There is no secular history of the Jews from that period, the history books mentioned in the scriptures vanished like Hillary Clintons e-mails!

The surviving narratives concerning Adam and Eve would have come from Mesopotamian lore looooong after the gardens and subsequent events.

The theology of the scriptures contains considerable conjecture and speculation by holy men concerning the meaning of distant events as they understood those it.

Did God work within our (in)ability to develop a more mature God concept back then or and God chose to work within the limits of that, until that would grow in time...

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Yes and you have said that it is obviously true.
So I'm being sarcastic and expecting you to supply evidence for that which is unproven.

There are tons and tons of evidence for evolution. But there is no way to get you to accept that, your freedom to deny cannot be taken away from you.

However, I will remind you that you have a coccyx instead of a tail. It's evidence for evolution. Go ahead, deny that as well.

 

[Tolworth John]

There are tons and tons of evidence for evolution. But there is no way to get you to accept that, your freedom to deny cannot be taken away from you.

However, I will remind you that you have a coccyx instead of a tail. It's evidence for evolution. Go ahead, deny that as well.

Evidence for evolution, you will have to do better than that.
Although the tailbone is considered vestigial (or no longer necessary) in the human body, it does have some function in the pelvis. For instance, the coccyx is one part of a three-part support for a person in the seated position. Weight is distributed between the bottom portions of the two hip bones (or ischium) and the tailbone, providing balance and stability when a person is seated.
The tailbone is the connecting point for many pelvic floor muscles. These muscles help support the anus and aid in defecation, support the vagina in females, and assist in walking, running, and moving the legs.
from Anatomy of the Coccyx (Tailbone).

For a vestigal body part it performs important functions.

 

[Colter]

Did God work within our (in)ability to develop a more mature God concept back then or and God chose to work within the limits of that, until that would grow in time...

God always meets us where we are in any age.

 

[Neogaia777]

God always meets us where we are in any age.

Do you know how we have evolved, socially, conceptually... And then what we all were then, compared to now...? Just look how the imagination has grown, my oh my...

God Bless!

 

[Colter]

THE OVERCONTROL OF EVOLUTION
65:0.1 BASIC EVOLUTIONARY material life—premind life—is the formulation of the Master Physical Controllers and the life-impartation ministry of the Seven Master Spirits in conjunction with the active ministration of the ordained Life Carriers. As a result of the co-ordinate function of this threefold creativity there develops organismal physical capacity for mind—material mechanisms for intelligent reaction to external environmental stimuli and, later on, to internal stimuli, influences taking origin in the organismal mind itself.

65:0.2 There are, then, three distinct levels of life production and evolution:

1. The physical-energy domain—mind-capacity production.
2. The mind ministry of the adjutant spirits—impinging upon spirit capacity.
3. The spirit endowment of mortal mind—culminating in Thought Adjuster bestowal.

65:0.6 The mechanical-nonteachable levels of organismal environmental response are the domains of the physical controllers. The adjutant mind-spirits activate and regulate the adaptative or nonmechanical-teachable types of mind—those response mechanisms of organisms capable of learning from experience. And as the spirit adjutants thus manipulate mind potentials, so do the Life Carriers exercise considerable discretionary control over the environmental aspects of evolutionary processes right up to the time of the appearance of human will—the ability to know God and the power of choosing to worship him.

65:0.7 It is the integrated functioning of the Life Carriers, the physical controllers, and the spirit adjutants that conditions the course of organic evolution on the inhabited worlds. And this is why evolution—on Urantia or elsewhere—is always purposeful and never accidental.