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You're welcome! I need to look that up. I haven't heard that. Do you have a source by chance?

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Oh, it's everywhere, Bèlla. And while I could simply cite his biography, you can just google "Hugh Hefner and first marriage" and see the articles that come up (the following 'cheap' article from The SUN being but one common example). Of course, there's more, but I don't want to go to tangents that take the focus off of the OP.

Hefner’s first wife CHEATED on him - a betrayal which spawned Playboy lifestyle
 
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Wow, that's incredible. Did you discover anything the public isn't aware of? Are we taking it seriously enough in your opinion? Feel free to weigh in!

~bella
I am no Earth shattering discovers. The scariest thing is since these individuals act alone it can be hard to see a potential attack coming. However, in this day and age of social media with its massive growth of narcissism they (meaning incels in this case) often post online their intensions. Perhaps, such things can help identify a potential attack before it happens.

I actually do not believe society is taking the threat from incels seriously enough, along with other emerging threats (I won't mention them as that is well beyond the topic here).

The only "advice" I can give is to be situationally aware (not just of your physical surroundings but your social surroundings as well). No need for hyper vigilance, just be aware.
 
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What in the world does Hefner have to do with incels? Hefner is the furthest thing from a forced celibate I can think of.
 
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I wouldn't have thought to look in that direction. Thank you brother!

~bella
 
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What in the world does Hefner have to do with incels? Hefner is the furthest thing from a forced celibate I can think of.

Not really. It's a matter of degree in similar moral "reflux." The Incels just take it two steps further ...
 
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Not really. It's a matter of degree in similar moral "reflux." The Incels just take it two steps further ...

"Incel" is short for "involuntary celibate." Hefner built the playboy mansion.

Connect the dots for me because I'm not seeing the connection.
 
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I wouldn't have thought to look in that direction. Thank you brother!

~bella

I'm thinking the Incels exist because they've all been looking at porn, become ingratiated with the form of the specifics they find there, can't get that exact (elusive and illusive) form, and become dark, brooding and violent in their nihilistic resentiment (ala Nietzsche) of not getting what they want the way they want it......
 
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Social murder - Wikipedia

Killers of all kinds will give an account for their deeds.
 
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"Incel" is short for "involuntary celibate." Hefner built the playboy mansion.

Connect the dots for me because I'm not seeing the connection.

It's a matter of degree of choice with handling one's resentment about not "getting" the favored female and her affections ...

Hefner got hacked off, relinquished purposefully whatever remaining Christian notions he had and decided to 'strike out' on his own the way he wanted. Incels do the same, but at a more psychologically violently reactive level.....since some of them can't get what they want. And their frustration mounts.

Hefner, being at least moderately attractive, built an empire that in turn helped to turn the male mind of the world against contentment with the idea of fidelity in family and against spiritually qualitative relationships between men and women. It also conditioned men to force themselves for "the ideal conventions of customized sex." See the problem? It's Screwtapian in its social nature.
 
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On YouTube I've seen several women discussing Red Pillism to a mostly male audience. It's the extremes of female misbehavior that presumably spawned RP, and these female YouTubers agree. There are some hard truths one can glean from RP but it becomes weird quickly when straight men are talking about giving up on women. Most of them can't give 'em up so they lick their wounds and get back in the game. I guess "incels" stew and foment.
 
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I don't see anything cogent in your post beyond socially manipulative rhetoric.
 
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The person I encountered had a lot of rage. Off the Richter scale anger. He was a chameleon. He was intelligent and communicated well. He fooled the men he associated with on the site. They were shocked by his behavior and tried to reason with him. But they couldn't.

He didn't threaten violence but I felt he'd put me in a trunk. He's the sort that would kidnap and enslave you. He wants to do it and acknowledges it openly. He hadn't at the time (that I saw). But I had a strong foreboding about him after his first outburst. I've never felt that way about anyone.

There are others who think like he does. He encourages them. It's unnerving to watch.

~bella
 
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They're anti-feminists and supporters of male supremacy. They believe women exist for a man's use and we have no rights. For instance, they don't think a woman can be raped. You don't own your body. That rabbit hole runs deep. I've talked to a few. They're crazy.

~bella
 
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Exactly. My questions were more hypothetical than anything else.

In most of these cases here, just a friend would be nice. Most seem to be lonely, introverted, and feels like nobody actually cares about them. What they need is a male friend that can encourage them, make them feel like they belong, things like that. I know it's not that easy and they do need professional help but they also need friendship, socializing, things like that. Most of them have no "friends" outside of the poison of people they meet online.

As a kid, I was relentlessly bullied and if it wasn't for the people that cared about me, took me under their wing, got me the help I needed, I know it wouldn't have ended good for me or others. Thankfully, they showed me the love of Christ.
 
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I don't see anything cogent in your post beyond socially manipulative rhetoric.

Manipulative? How? Because I'm condensing years of research into some sound-bites that you've never heard before?

Please do me the honor of giving me the benefit of the doubt .... since you don't even know me.

Thanks!
 
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It has to come from men. That isn't an ideal position for a woman to be in. Her caring and kindness will be misinterpreted as interest. Maybe some male bonding is in order. Offering a safe space to talk and get things off your chest. Many could benefit from that.

As a kid, I was relentlessly bullied and if it wasn't for the people that cared about me, took me under their wing, got me the help I needed, I know it wouldn't have ended good for me or others. Thankfully, they showed me the love of Christ.

I'm glad you did. You sound levelheaded and frequently express concerns for the marginalized. That must be your gift.

~bella
 
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Lol, I wasn't thinking of those types. Maybe I lucked out with the ones I saw, who weren't so extreme.
 
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I am glad you are alright.

Evil does not advertise itself as evil. A fiend of mine said if you want to see what a monster looks like just look in the mirror. Not because you yourself are necessarily evil but because evil people look like you.

I had an encounter in my early day in college with someone who hide his rage quite well and could appear smart, charismatic and quite friendly. There were the so called 'red flags' that I, at the time, either ignored or did not see. He did try to hurt me physically. It ended very badly for him (no, I did not kill him in self defense).

The incident taught me to pay attention to 'red flags' and to understand I have to rely on myself for my own defense (no one else is responsible for that, nor should they be).
 
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Lol, I wasn't thinking of those types. Maybe I lucked out with the ones I saw, who weren't so extreme.

They seemed normal at first. But the more they talked the louder the alarm blared. Sometimes I want to see how far a person will go. But gosh, you've gotta draw the line somewhere. I'd stare at the screen in shock. You don't expect all that.

~knows you're laughing r/t
 
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Jesus didn't express disgust and disdain towards the outcasts of society, Christians shouldn't either

I always encourage everyone to follow the Billy Graham rule. He forbade anyone on his team from being alone with a woman who was not his wife or family. This is good advice for anyone. It helps maintain accountability, ensure that we are above reproach, and keeps them from the harm that can be caused by false accusations being made against them. Especially with the topic at hand, it must be someone of the same gender or else, as you pointed out, they will view it as interest.

Unfortunately, what I see so much when talking about "incels" is disdain, hatred, ridicule and the like. This does nothing but fuels their anger and resentment towards society and gives them even more reason, in their minds, to act out in violence. That attitude does no good for anyone and, for a Christian, is about as un-Christlike as one can get.
 
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