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The Values of Christianity

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I would like to know, or at least see what other Christians think the values of Christianity are. I'm talking about values such as collectivism, individuality, hedonism, rule of law, egalitarianism, freedom, etc. As I have not really been the strongest advocate of Christianity, or any religion really, these are the values I have placed with Christianity. But I am aware that I am not too knowledgeable with a lot of Christianity, so please let me know if you think that these values are inaccurate, misplaced, or if there are any other values that you think should also be placed with these. Please let me know what you think.

Christianity:
Conformity.
Homophobia.
Collectivism?
Rule of law?
Speciesim?
 

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Christianity:
Conformity.
to what exactly? We have been freed from the law as a way of obtaining righteousness. We have example after example against the living of "legalistic" lives. Or a works based or "religious" heavy lives.

Homophobia.
I don't know of any passages that calls us to be afraid of gay people. Being gay is simply a sin like any other, as such it needs to find redemption through Christ. None of which is possible if the sinner is allowed to think there is acceptance for sin rather than forgiveness through repentance. this is true for any sin and is not limited to gay people.

Collectivism?
:) another would point out the division in the church. How can we be "collective" if we are divided?

Rule of law?
Again, free from the law as our sole method of obtaining righteousness.

Speciesim?
"From wiki:"
Speciesism is the assigning of different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership. The term was created by British psychologist Richard D. Ryder in 1973 to denote a prejudice against non-humans based on physical differences that are given moral value[1] "I use the word 'speciesism'," he wrote in 1975, "to describe the widespread discrimination that is practised by man against other species ... Speciesism is discrimination, and like all discrimination it overlooks or underestimates the similarities between the discriminator and those discriminated against."[2]

If this is what you mean then guilty as charged!!
 
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I was saying conformity because usually with churches (at least in my past experience) anytime something is questioned then they are either shunned, condemned, or expected to conform to the beliefs of that church. While Christians might not be fearful of gays, Christianity usually views it as at least a sin, viewing or making homosexuality unwanted (also usually shunned upon or condemned from what I have seen). I added Collectivism because even though there are plenty of Christian denominations in the religion, Christianity (to me) usually has a way to care for others, or care for a group, over themselves, prioritizing the group over themselves. And the only reason why I put the rule of law is because in Christianity I viewed it as the 10 commandments and the bible were the rule of law, and people are to obey, or should obey those laws?
 
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I was saying conformity because usually with churches (at least in my past experience) anytime something is questioned then they are either shunned, condemned, or expected to conform to the beliefs of that church.
Yikes sounds as if someone doesn't know why they believe what they believe and don't want to be reminded of it..


While Christians might not be fearful of gays, Christianity usually views it as at least a sin, viewing or making homosexuality unwanted (also usually shunned upon or condemned from what I have seen).
Again I went into great detail for the reasons for the identification of sin.

I added Collectivism because even though there are plenty of Christian denominations in the religion, Christianity (to me) usually has a way to care for others, or care for a group, over themselves, prioritizing the group over themselves.
Actually it is God, then groups as self.

And the only reason why I put the rule of law is because in Christianity I viewed it as the 10 commandments and the bible were the rule of law, and people are to obey, or should obey those laws?
I don't know if it is been you asking or not, but i have answered this question several times today already. righteousness (the thing the Jews were trying to obtain by strictly adhering to the ten commandments/The Law) is not how a Christian obtains righteousness. You are confusing OT Judaism to new covenant Christianity.
 
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How does a Christian obtain righteousness then?

(and I do know and fully understand what I believe; I am a man of my own religious beliefs)

Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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I would like to know, or at least see what other Christians think the values of Christianity are. I'm talking about values such as collectivism, individuality, hedonism, rule of law, egalitarianism, freedom, etc. As I have not really been the strongest advocate of Christianity, or any religion really, these are the values I have placed with Christianity. But I am aware that I am not too knowledgeable with a lot of Christianity, so please let me know if you think that these values are inaccurate, misplaced, or if there are any other values that you think should also be placed with these. Please let me know what you think.

Christianity:
Conformity.
Homophobia.
Collectivism?
Rule of law?
Speciesim?

Conformity: Insofar as we have a Creed, a general conformity of faith would be expected. It would be very difficult to come, worship together, celebrate the Sacraments together and receive the Word if no one agreed on any of it. As far as "shunning" goes, in most denominations and traditions excommunication is generally regarded as a last ditch effort (though it has not always been used that way). That is, if there is someone in the community who is actively preaching against the community, causing division and in-fighting then, if every last effort has failed to solve the situation, excommunication is left to remove the person from receiving the Eucharist and therefore being an active part of the community. That, however, doesn't mean contact should be cut off.

As someone whose family became ostracized by our church when I was a child because a leader in the church manipulated the rest of the leadership and spread lies about my mother I don't say what I'm saying lightly. My mother was betrayed by people she trusted, she was humiliated and was being told she had to publicly shame herself by confessing to sins she never did all in order to satisfy an adulterous elder in our church.

That's why, when I talk about excommunication, I am very careful to point out that the purpose is not to humiliate, shame, shun or scorn a person, but for the Church to say, corporately, "Your divisiveness is bringing harm to this community, since we have been unable to resolve this issue you may not come and share together in our worship." Ultimately, the hope is that reconciliation and resolution in a healthy way can be achieved.

If it's used for manipulation, for humiliation, to hurt or in anyway damage a person than it is used wrongly and sinfully.


Homophobia: Yes, a lot of churches and Christians are. Not all. Many Christians and churches are quite loving and embracing of the homosexual members of our society. I'd probably say more, but there are certain rules on this site that I am not able to violate.

Collectivism, Rule of law and Speciesism: I am not entirely sure I understand what you're talking about.

What I would add, however:

Altruism
Hospitality
Generosity
Forgiveness
Self-Control
Christocentrism

Among others.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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When I think of Christian “values”, I think of:
Love: Selflessness- placing everyone above self interest, unconditional- doing good stuff expecting and not needing anything in return, sacrificial- serving others willingly at your own expense, compelled-be you controlling force in all you do, and self controlled-doing good stuff because it was want you decided to do.
Faith: Trusting God/Jesus/Spirit
Hope: Desired expectation.
No great concern for this life, but extremely concerned for the lives of others.
See people for what they can become and not what they are or where they have been.
Doing everything for what Jesus has already done for you and not to “get” anything.
Seek out ways to serve others.
 
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Dear giddings. As pointed out already: Faith, Hope, and Love, but as Paul told us: " Love is the greatest. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ. P.S. May I add: Love for God with all our beings, and Love for our neighbour as we love ourselves. Love in its entirety: in all we say, or do, or advocate.
 
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