The Validity Of Scripture

[obediah001]

I have been very openminded in my learning of the BIlbe as thereare things concealed in iot which you must seek & search for see prov.25:2. I have grown so much in my understanding since I threw off my old religious approach, & search the scriptures considering all views of it against the Wrd itself; it too makes it an intresting study to compare scripture with scripture & grow.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

What are your beliefs on salvation? How does one obtain it? How do you know that you are saved?

Good question. BTW, interesting new avatar. That Celtic Cross was getting irritating, no offense. The guy looks like Gaston from Disney's "Beauty and the Beast"...

As a Christian this is through following Christ. However, I am semi-universalist as well so I would say while such is true for myself and other Christians others have other roles to play.

As far as "knowledge" one is saved that is an emotional feeling that cannot be verified logically. Perhaps there is something in the musings of Calvin the Barbarian which you believe that is contrary to that so feel free to post it if you wish.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

and your point? That you encourage your students to sling mud at fundamentals?

just curious...

??? These are scholarship boys who are going to be leading our institutions some day, so, they don't need any encouragement to express an anti-fundamentalism, though I'd say for the fundamentalist cohort most of the mud that sticks is self-flung. Actually I try to do the opposite, though, considering how fundamentalists in general fight human progress tooth and nail sometimes that's hard to do.

 

[Andrew]

As far as "knowledge" one is saved that is an emotional feeling that cannot be verified logically.

But it can be verified by God's Word.

1Jo 5:13 I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

So how in the world can the Christian not know?

 

[admtaylor]

Seems like you contradict yourself because today's conservatives (when describing the Religious Right) are "prideful teachers who [think] themseves better than others by virtue of their station".

Yes, and some liberals (such as Benny Hinn) are out for money or are extremly deluded.

 

[admtaylor]

As a Christian this is through following Christ. However, I am semi-universalist as well so I would say while such is true for myself and other Christians others have other roles to play.

What? Do you even read the Bible?

John 3 NIV


Jesus Teaches Nicodemus

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."
3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[1] "
4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[2] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[3] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.
10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? 11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.[4] 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[5]
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[7] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[8]

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

But it can be verified by God's Word.

1Jo 5:13 I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

So how in the world can the Christian not know?

I have no problem with that.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

Yes, and some liberals (such as Benny Hinn) are out for money or are extremly deluded.

first I've ever heard of Benny Hinn being a "liberal", LOL! I had always thought he was a conservative but, i suppose it depends on one's perspective. i have been known to infuriate right wingers by decribing the Clintons, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry, and Howard Dean as "conservative Democrats" although the characterization is quite accurate.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

What? Do you even read the Bible?

Sure, but I'm not a fundamentalist. How much of what you quoted is an accurate transcript and how much was embellished by later writers remains to be seen. The concept of a "Hell" for all Non-Christians is not credible if God is indeed a "God of Love".

 

[Lotar]

Good question. BTW, interesting new avatar. That Celtic Cross was getting irritating, no offense. The guy looks like Gaston from Disney's "Beauty and the Beast"...

As a Christian this is through following Christ. However, I am semi-universalist as well so I would say while such is true for myself and other Christians others have other roles to play.

As far as "knowledge" one is saved that is an emotional feeling that cannot be verified logically. Perhaps there is something in the musings of Calvin the Barbarian which you believe that is contrary to that so feel free to post it if you wish.

I know you'll probably get mad at me for saying this, but here it goes anyways.

My knowledge that I am saved is not at all based on some emotion, I have a discusion on that very topic in the IDD forum. But without the belief that the bible is accurate, how could you truely believe you know anything about God?

From all of your posts, here and elsewhere, I come to the conclusion that you are not a Christian, but a Theist. Similair to that of Plato, and many other Greek philosophers of that time.

Sorry for the offense I know that will cause, but I would rather risk offense than not tell you that your soul is in danger.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

I know you'll probably get mad at me for saying this, but here it goes anyways.

My knowledge that I am saved is not at all based on some emotion, I have a discusion on that very topic in the IDD forum. But without the belief that the bible is accurate, how could you truely believe you know anything about God?

Rather easily, thank you. Berlief in Christ is not predisposed on belief in accuracy of text in ancient writings.

From all of your posts, here and elsewhere, I come to the conclusion that you are not a Christian, but a Theist. Similair to that of Plato, and many other Greek philosophers of that time.

Not really. I took ethics as an undergrad. The prof was an ex-Jesuit, really only a TA, nice guy but still enveloped by the Jesuit experience. He assigned us to read Gorgias by Plato. Oh, it was terrible. It's a free country, you can believe anything you want. It is an insult and against the rules of this forum to call someone "not a Christian" but you can call me whatever you want.

Sorry for the offense I know that will cause, but I would rather risk offense than not tell you that your soul is in danger.

Whatever, Dude. Are ya going to tell the other 2/3 of Christians who are not fundamentalists, too?

 

[Lotar]

Rather easily, thank you. Berlief in Christ is not predisposed on belief in accuracy of text in ancient writings.

Even the demons believe in Christ (though you probably don't believe in demons, you get the point). Belief does not make a Christian.

Not really. I took ethics as an undergrad. The prof was an ex-Jesuit, really only a TA, nice guy but still enveloped by the Jesuit experience. He assigned us to read Gorgias by Plato. Oh, it was terrible. It's a free country, you can believe anything you want. It is an insult and against the rules of this forum to call someone "not a Christian" but you can call me whatever you want.

I didn't mean you follow the same beliefs as Plato, but rather your beliefs are based on the same principles. Your god is a philosophical god.
You may go as far as saying that Jesus is God, but you don't hold even the most basic of Christian beliefs.

Whatever, Dude. Are ya going to tell the other 2/3 of Christians who are not fundamentalists, too?

Well, looking at statistics, in order to get your 2/3, you would have to include non-practicing christians, who are not saved. I have heard liberal Christians who gave an explaination of their faith that led me to believe that as misguided as they were, they were saved. Those that believe the same as you, no they are not saved.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

Even the demons believe in Christ (though you probably don't believe in demons, you get the point). Belief does not make a Christian.

Perhaps. I did not mean mere belief, of course.

I didn't mean you follow the same beliefs as Plato, but rather your beliefs are based on the same principles. Your god is a philosophical god.
You may go as far as saying that Jesus is God, but you don't hold even the most basic of Christian beliefs.

I'm afraid you are confused. My beliefs are indeed 'the most basic Christian beliefs'; yours are something else entirely.

Well, looking at statistics, in order to get your 2/3, you would have to include non-practicing christians, who are not saved.

No, that is an oxymoron. If a person is non-practicing, they are not Christian.

I have heard liberal Christians who gave an explaination of their faith that led me to believe that as misguided as they were, they were saved. Those that believe the same as you, no they are not saved.

How unfortunate for you that you choose to believe such. If what you say were true to be saved would be entirely worthless. Fortunately there is a God of love who forgives you for your misguided sentiments.