The use of the word "belief"

[Nathan Poe]

It's been a hypothesis for how long now? 900 years?

Abiogenesis a hypothesis for 900 years? Bad math, AV?

I thought you guys gave up on the Flood after only 200?

We didn't give up -- we found evidence to refute it.

But then again, you're not the go-to guy for discussing evidence -- only for magically making it disappear when you need it to.

 

[AV1611VET]

Abiogenesis a hypothesis for 900 years? Bad math, AV?

Sorry --- 1500?

We didn't give up -- we found evidence to refute it.

Hmmm --- is this evidence falsifiable?

 

[MoonLancer]

is this evidence falsifiable?

sure is, and it has not been proven false yet after all this time.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Sorry --- 1500?

Sorry indeed, AV -- I'd ask you what you mean, but the smart money says you don't know/care

Hmmm --- is this evidence falsifiable?

By anyone who finds evidence to refute it. The one who succeeds will make quite a name for himself.

That name will not be a creationist, since they're not in the business of finding evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

sure is, and it has not been proven false yet after all this time.

Keep looking.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Keep looking.

Never stopped. Would you consider starting to look?

 

[AV1611VET]

Hmmm --- is this evidence [that refutes the Flood] falsifiable?

By anyone who finds evidence to refute it.

Would that evidence be falsifiable?

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you consider starting to look?

No.

I don't need to --- I already believe it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Would that evidence be falsifiable?

What evidence isn't?

Assuming you have a point, AV -- get to it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No.

I don't need to --- I already believe it.

You've already drawn your conclusions, and doing any actual work would only get in the way.

 

[BananaSlug]

'Tis better to believe and not know than to know and not believe.

 

[MoonLancer]

Keep looking.

sorry, but the known age of the universe wont get yunger, it will only get older. If evidence for whatever you want evidence for appears it still has to explain its relationship to all the current evidence.

In other words NO one doesn't have to keep looking for evidence for a god. Creationists are afraid of science because they know the evidence doesn't exist, and they know it will never be found. And they know that their theology is loosing the hearts and minds of the world because of this.

 

[SithDoughnut]

What then is abiogenesis --- faith or belief?

Absolute total belief that abiogenesis is 100% true is faith. Proposing it as a viable and likely hypothesis is belief.

And what do you do with these passages?

• Ro 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
• Ro 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
• Ro 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
• 2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
• Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
• Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
• 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Looks to me like they based their conclusions on plenty of evidence.

I would say there is no evidence there for anything other than the existence of the Bible (although I do not wish to derail this topic), merely statements that include faith and belief. Faith is a type of belief, I merely assign a definition to belief in order to make it more usable. The definitions, like most definitions of this type, are subjective based on what you think constitutes evidence.

 

[BananaSlug]

Faith is belief without evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words NO one doesn't have to keep looking for evidence for a god.

I thought we were talking about evidence of a global flood?

 

[Nathan Poe]

I thought we were talking about evidence of a global flood?

What evidence? Is it even possible at this point to discuss a global flood without turning to your ever-famous "last resort"?

 

[MoonLancer]

I thought we were talking about evidence of a global flood?

to what end?

 

[AV1611VET]

What evidence?

Good question.

Is it even possible at this point to discuss a global flood without turning to your ever-famous "last resort"?

Yes --- but I'll be glad to use it as my "first resort", if you think it'll save time.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Good question.

Indeed -- your entire cosmology is based on futility.

Yes --- but I'll be glad to use it as my "first resort", if you think it'll save time.

May as well, AV -- you've got nothing else.

 

[keith99]

Faith is belief without evidence.

Faith is not belief without evidence, it is trust without reservation.

My dog has faith in me.

Actually both definitions can be used, but I'll stay with the second for any faith I have.