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The universe is expanding, but, where?

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We don't even know if deities exist. We know magnetism exists. I am pretty sure that we know more about magnetism than any deity.

Whereas variable magnetic fields *do* have a tangible effect on photon redshfit in a lab, "space expansion' remains an "act of faith" on the part of believer as it relates to *known causes* of photon redshift.
 
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You seem to require all claims demonstrated except for deities.

Actually, even my *theistic* beliefs are based upon *empirical* concepts of "God". At least humans living on Earth report an influence of God on their lives. That's more than can be said for photons and 'space expansion".
 
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Actually, even my *theistic* beliefs are based upon *empirical* concepts of "God". At least humans living on Earth report an influence of God on their lives. That's more than can be said for photons and 'space expansion".

I don't notice the oxygen radicals damaging my DNA as a consequence of my own cellular respiration, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Likewise, when I had my wisdom teeth pulled out, I had some mild hallucinations, but just because I can report them doesn't make them real.
 
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Stories you make up about photons being redhsifted by "space expansion" are not controlled observations either!

Once again, you refuse to accept wavelength independent redshift as being true. Your denial of facts is what makes you a crackpot.

When you are ready to deal with reality, let me know.
 
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Stories in books are not observations.
No stories intended. Every book in the Bible claims to be a testimony, a living testimony of a person that lived that. If God chose to appear a thousand years ago, what kind of record do you think He would leave? I find the testimonies of people who have seen or talked to Him is enough for me.
 
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No stories intended. Every book in the Bible claims to be a testimony, a living testimony of a person that lived that.

I can write any story I want and claim it is a testimony. Doesn't make it true.

If God chose to appear a thousand years ago, what kind of record do you think He would leave? I find the testimonies of people who have seen or talked to Him is enough for me.

Does God not exist now?
 
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Hi to all of you, may God bless you! Perhaps you could help me because this is something hard for me to understand. I always hear that the universe is expanding, the universe is in continous expansion, ok, I can understand that, but, could someone explain to me where is it expanding? For example, if I have a glass full of water and I drop there a drop of ink, the ink expands in the water, in the glass full of water, so, where is the universe expanding?
Hello. Amid all the off-topic heat in your thread you've been given the classical Big Bang answer. And the expanding balloon with the galaxies glued onto it is a pretty typical way of visualizing it. If you still have questions I'll be happy to try and help.

There are other cosmologies out there but the Big Bang is by far the most-accepted.
 
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Once again, you refuse to accept wavelength independent redshift as being true.

Until you can demonstrate that white light and gamma rays are redshifted equally, why should I "trust you"?

Your denial of facts is what makes you a crackpot.
What "facts" have you even shown me related to *higher* energy wavelengths? All I've gotten from you is a bad attitude and a lot of claims about "facts" that you've *never presented*!

When you are ready to deal with reality, let me know.
Considering how *badly* that BICEP2 set of claims went down, you're the last person who should be talking about 'dealing with reality', or calling anyone a 'crackpot'. All your invisible friends have been *utter duds* when it comes to demonstrating cause/effect relationships in controlled experimentation, and your last grandiose claims turned to *dust* in mere *months*! LHC and LUX *destroyed* your "most popular' claims about magical forms of invisible matter, not to mention all those revelations about *grossly* underestimating the stellar masses of various galaxies by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20 depending on the size of the star and the type of galaxy. You really shouldn't be calling anyone a 'crackpot' considering all the *failures* your theories have dealt with recently.

You can't even handle the 'reality' of that huge hole in your (now falsified) claims!
 
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I can write any story I want and claim it is a testimony. Doesn't make it true.

Ya, kinda like all those claims about gamma rays being redshifted the same as visible light that you've never actually demonstrated. :)
 
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No stories intended. Every book in the Bible claims to be a testimony, a living testimony of a person that lived that. If God chose to appear a thousand years ago, what kind of record do you think He would leave? I find the testimonies of people who have seen or talked to Him is enough for me.

Don't mind LM. His pantheon of invisible, impotent on Earth friends don't even talk to anyone. :)
 
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And into Crackpotland we go . . .

You can't even face up to the most obvious and well known observations in cosmology.

If it's so obvious and so well known, you should have no trouble citing some peer reviewed papers that compare gamma rays to visible light from distant objects and show that they are redshifted the same. Where are they? You've never produced any.
 
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If it's so obvious and so well known, you should have no trouble citing some peer reviewed papers that compare gamma rays to visible light from distant objects and show that they are redshifted the same. Where are they? You've never produced any.

I can find tons of papers that say cosmological redshift is wavelength independent. That you have to run away from such simple facts says a lot.
 
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I can find tons of papers that say cosmological redshift is wavelength independent. That you have to run away from such simple facts says a lot.

The fact you have to avoid the higher energy wavelengths says volumes too.

MAGIC findings refute your claims, and you've got a gigantic hole in your claims about "homogenous" inflation too. Sure, just ignore the all the facts that you simply can't handle....
 
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Once again, you use the usual smoke screen of insults to hide your inability to discuss the wavelength independence of cosmological redshift.

The only one using smoke and mirrors to deflect their inadequate support of their claims is you, and only you. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a published paper that demonstrates that gamma rays are redshifted the same as visual light, and you keep avoiding it.
 
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The only one using smoke and mirrors to deflect their inadequate support of their claims is you, and only you. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a published paper that demonstrates that gamma rays are redshifted the same as visual light, and you keep avoiding it.

You admit that visual light is redshifted in a wavelength independent manner?

If so, you have just falsified plasma redshift.
 
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I can find tons of papers that say cosmological redshift is wavelength independent. That you have to run away from such simple facts says a lot.

Wiki says this

"In physics, redshift happens when light or other electromagnetic radiation from an object is increased in wavelength, or shifted to the red end of the spectrum."

What do you mean by wavelength independent?
 
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Wiki says this

"In physics, redshift happens when light or other electromagnetic radiation from an object is increased in wavelength, or shifted to the red end of the spectrum."

What do you mean by wavelength independent?

Could be a typo and he meant dependent. Autocorrect is pure evil sometimes.
 
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