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The Universe as a Hologram

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If this topic already exists and I failed to see it, I apologize (I looked through 5 pages or so and didn't see it, so I figured I was safe).

I'd like to start by saying that I'm a noob (go easy!) and to keep this post as clear as possible I'll explain my personal "beliefs" (if you can call them that). I'm not an atheist, nor am I really really agnostic. I don't think that there is a god, but I don't know that there isn't. I was strongly atheist up until a year or two ago and I had a kind of "revelation," if you will. Who am I to say that there isn't a god? It's kind of arrogant to make a claim like that. Equally to say that your god is the and that he/she/it/they absolutely exists. So I've opened myself up to new ideas, I've become more interested in philosophy.

Something that I have been reading on this year that I have found to be remarkably interesting is the "theory" (it's not really a theory, but I'll use theory for lack of a better term) of the unverse being a hologram. This theory has been developed based on work by physicist David Bohm and a couple neurologists working with the holographic properties of the brain. If you haven't done any reading on it before, check the book called "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot, and this article by the same author (I'm not sure exactly where it originally appeared):

twm.co.nz/hologram.html

It's easy to relate this, though, to pantheism, but I don't necessarily think that would be accurate. If we're to believe that the universe really does exist as a hologram, with information being the interference patterns on the holographic film, and conciousness being the laser to expose the image, I don't think the universe itself is concious. It may contain conciousness, and that conciousness may manifest itself as creatures with brains, but I don't think that the universe itself is aware. Similar to me saying that my body is not aware, but my brain is. I am my brain, my body is the vehicle that keeps my brain alive and allows my brain to communicate, I am not my body.

If this were true, though, it would certainly make supernatural phenomena a little bit easier to believe and make steps towards explaining. Further evidence that is - perhaps mysterious - but does support this theory (among others) is the Global Conciousness Project:

noosphere.princeton.edu

Anyway I could probably go on for a while, I should probably stop myself. It's a thought though.
 

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oooh, interesting! Feel free to expand on this.

Some interesting scriptures to accompany that concept...

1 John 1:5
God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

John 3:21
But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Genesis 1:3
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.


Did they say anything about pain?
 
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heron said:
Did they say anything about pain?

No because my post is really extrapolating on this theory about how the universe may, in fact, work on the most basic level. If you read the first link I posted (sorry I can't post real links yet, so you'll have to cut and paste) you'll notice the author touches on conciousness acting as the "illuminating force" behind creating the universe as we see it, but doesn't really expand on the implications or anything.
 
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heron said:
What is there to beware of in holism? The study of philosophy gives us an opportunity to brianstorm and explore ideas without feeling like we need to latch on. I would beware of every philosopher, lol.

Well some of it is just mind-numbing trash designed to sell therapy and stuff (ie. Ramtha)
 
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five said:
How would people be a hologram if the rest of the universe isn't?
I have a laser and film.
It produces a hologram in a physical world.

How do you define hologram?
How would your understanding not allow holograms?
 
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Merlin said:
I have a laser and film.
It produces a hologram in a physical world.

How do you define hologram?
How would your understanding not allow holograms?

No I know what you mean, but I was just curious about why you would suspect that just the bodies are simulated and not everything else in the universe as well. The hologram idea is mostly a metaphor for something that seems to work similarly to a hologram, but it's not necessarily a hologram in the most literal form.
 
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My gut reaction to the theory: how will it benefit us to think of the universe as an ethereal presence? Is there anything that would change in our understanding? What are the implications? If physical reality is redefined, it still exists as it is...just with different titles. So I want to know more.

It reminds me of things other Christians have told me--that our real life is in heaven, and this earthly life is just temporary...that our spirits are the essence of who we are, and the bodies are just borrowed accoutrements.

I finally read the article, and loved these parts:

Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing.
What are the implications for prayer!!

every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. ...[The particles'] separateness is an illusion.
...DNA

Pribram believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image.
...keeping our brains healthy

controversial new healing techniques such as visualization may work so well because, in the holographic domain of thought, images are ultimately as real as "reality".
...faith healings


Thanks for bringing it up.
 
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It sounds as though your work, Merlin, prompts the brain to send out signals to repair or adjust something...and hinder self-sabotage. I think of this as more of a neurological messenger system than an illusion--do you?

The article avoided the simulation and illusion aspects of the hologram, and focused on the structure and characteristics of a hologram, especially the interconnectedness of every molecule. It spoke of the sharing and posession of information from particle to particle.
 
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