The Unforgivable Sin

[Angeloffire]

Sorry, my apology, sometimes I just assume everyone knows when I just quote from memory....

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2)
Holy Spirit sent to convict of sins (John 16:8)

Blasphemy means to "revile, abuse, and malign".....

Mark 3:29 explains it well:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Do you see it? If you can't be forgiven, then you would already have eternal damnation....but that isn't what was said.

It says that if you blaspheme him you don't ever have forgiveness.

Putting it together:

He is in you convicting you of your sins, if you revile or abuse Him in you and don't repent.....you won't ever be forgiven because you won't ever repent.

 

[Angeloffire]

Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed in order to manipulate and control the behaviors of other Christians?

Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed for online entertainment purposes - to be 'the special one'?

Do you think this can be a spirit-filled Christian and can a Christian play these games and remain a Christian?

Deba,

I think that if you look deeper at such a person, you will see that there is a real reason behind what they are doing.

Complete demon possession means that the person is no longer present and they are under the full control of the demons. This is why you will see in the bible that they 'brought' them to Jesus.

You will see this in the cases of complete retardation, people tied to poles in other countries and in the bible they bannished them to caves...etc.

If a person is aware that they are present then it is oppression and they can range from heavily oppressed to lightly oppressed depending on the demonic activity within.


Such a person could do those things you mentioned because they really want to be free of these ways and don't know how to get free and don't feel loved and are using it as a source of comfort and love.

They, because of the wrong thinking they have grown to accept or was raised up with, will be tormented until the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth reveals why they are doing what they are doing.

I suffered from a demon of anger for years and am now only occassionally affected by its imprint on my mind, so I speak without hypocrisy and as one who has traveled a road of difficulty myself.

God has revealed to me 'why' I was getting angry and the basis of most anger.

So I understand now what was making me angry and due to His enlightenment and complete understanding (love) the sin (wrong thought that made me do those things) is gone.

Should this person or persons like this be able to get past the cause or causes in their life they would have a well soul.

Demoinc expulsion in some cases with monitering as the person comes into the Truth is also helpful.

God Bless,

AOF

No sin is unforgiveable except the inability to forgive. Also, this message is to all .....as we all have sinned and is in no way directed directly to any certain person but is written in hopes that we all come closer to love and truth.

 

[Floatingaxe]

repent and forgiveness are apples and oranges. They are not the same thing. You can not repent twice thats telling Jesus He failed the frist time. Asking forgiveness is for you not God He all ready did and say's "I WILL NOT CHANGE MY MIND". Once agian you are preaching man and not God.

Your post here is speaking of something that was never mentioned! Creating your own rabbit trails?


Yes, repentance and forgiveness are two separate things! Whoever said they were the same?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Rev. 13;8 "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" Talking about not knowing the word of God and knowing the word of self. GOOD GRIEF!

Not in my Bible:

Revelation 13:8
And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made—the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Understand.

 

[Angeloffire]

There is a big difference between the unforgivable sin and simply not having surrendered to the Father.

It is easy to see when you converse with people either verbally or on the forum when someone is moving from the Holy Spirit or demons.

Odviously God doesn't have certain qualities: pointless anger, resentment, strife, aggression, self-pity, arrogance, pride, boasting, etc.

Any time you see those coming from an individual you can be assured that a devil is working through them in that moment in time.

Just like Peter who one moment was called the Rock and the next rebuked for haven spoken satan's words, so are we.

This does not make it the unforgiveable sin. It does mean that every word spoken and advice given from such a person spoken from wrong emotion would not be from God and would mislead the brethren.

Rather then torment someone who was mislead and speaking from a source other than the Holy Spirit it would be wiser to become aware and make it known to the brethren how to spot such persons.

This way they can 'know' for themselves in their every day lives when God is speaking to them through someone or a demon is.

Blessings,

AOF

 

[Elijah2]

Hi Deba,

Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed in order to manipulate and control the behaviours of other Christians?


Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed for online entertainment purposes - to be 'the special one'?

In the healing and deliverance ministry, many have witnessed enormous battles with the resident demonic powers as they employ every weapon in their armoury to try to prevent a person speaking out forgiveness.

The demons will even take away the voice of that person so that they can't speak the words of forgiveness.

We see that in many who post, as they express their anger and bitterness toward others, in an attempt to STOP any Biblical Truth being applied or posted.

Once the word of forgiveness have been spoken out, the power of demons that has been controlling them through the sin of unforgiveness will be broken, and then deliverance take place.

Thos who prevent others from speaking out and attempt to STOP any Biblical Truth has committed an “unforgivable sin”.

But, when they confess, repent, and ask for HIS forgiveness, and of course, are SAVED, then they will be set free from captivity.

Do you think this can be a spirit-filled Christian and can a Christian play these games and remain a Christian?
NO, they are false and they are mocking our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you believe that those who play this game are “righteous” in all their ways?

Be blessed in Jesus’ Name.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Do you think it an unforgiveable sin that a Christian can bring these kinds of despicable, railing, false accusations against someone inhabited and held hostage in their own body, mind and life as if their life consisted of some type of elaborate "game", when in fact said types of accusations constitute the very core of the specific abuse that first opened those portals into their life to be taken over in the first place, simply because said "Christian" for whatever reasons of their own feels impatient, angry, contemptuous, jealous, or otherwise hostile to the inhabited person they pretend to construct hypothetical questions about in this fashion???

Do you think a genuinely spirit-filled Christian would behave that way toward someone afflicted for whom their Christ presumably gave HIS life just as much as He did for them?? Can a Christian speak not only with the very voice of the Accuser of the Brethren but also in such fashion as to exhibit His signature trait of honing in upon the most painful core and essence of the very specific type of abuse done to someone else from birth so as to conveniently REINFORCE said abuse as well as make it seem like the "right" way to view and treat that person so that OTHERS will adopt these same lies and themselves reinforce this same abuse, and still remain a Christian, if indeed they had ever really been one???

 

[Elijah2]

Hidden and unconfessed sin is probably the greatest guardian of demonic power and sickness in a person, and that is why many struggle with being set free from captivity.

Persistent sin of unforgiveness creates a prime entry point for the demonic. We all know that once we allow our sins of the past to come to the surface, and allow them to come to the light without being judgemental, is a vital step in preparing a person for healing and deliverance. But, if those people are unforgiving and will not forgive, then that becomes an unforgivable sin.

The following process is so important to the person who needs healing and deliverance, and I believe that:

1. We all will be blessed by knowing that there is at least one person who knows the worst about us and still loves us personally.

2. One of the best deterrents against future sin is the fact that someone already knows about our weakness personally.

3. Healing and deliverance ministry will be strengthened by the scriptural principle that two or three agreeing together in prayer (Matt. 18:19) will set the captives free.

4. Self-deception is not such a danger when another Godly and Spirit-filled person knows about the sin and is willing to help the person with responsibility and accountability if necessary.

5. Sin is very often at the root of demonic strongholds and control.

6. Other areas of healing are likely to be necessary, such as stubbornness, pride, will, and emotional feelings.

 

[Deba]

It is evildoing, and requires repentance. A true Christian wouldn't do that.

A true Christian wouldn't do that.


No and no.

A Chrisitian CANNOT be inhabited by demons. There is no biblical precedent for it. Opposing spirits cannot inhabit the same body. So that boils down to someone playing games.

Other areas of healing are likely to be necessary, such as stubbornness, pride, will, and emotional feelings

You call it healing, I call it sanctification. Submission to Jesus as Lord. No one can do it themselves. And God won't do it if YOU don't want Him to.

Can the need to be the center of attention be so important that one would risk their eternal soul (and their life here and now) by playing such juvenile games?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

A Chrisitian CANNOT be inhabited by demons. There is no biblical precedent for it. Opposing spirits cannot inhabit the same body. So that boils down to someone playing games.

Your belief that this bes how everything works does not make it so.
Heroin and automobiles -- the bible does not mention them either.
God and Satan both inhabit the same universe and Psalm 139 states unequivocally there bes nowhere in this universe where God bes NOT.
A person CAN be overtaken by demons while a Christian. It happened to Moriah. It did not just wake up one day and decide "whee, fun, it would like everyone to disbelieve it now and as a result, hate it, hold it in contempt, call it a liar while lying about it, and constantly go around mocking and undermining its integrity by the most despicable stupid false lying accusations they can imagine, just whee, what fun, it cannot wait to get all that 'attention.'" GET REAL. You might as well say the reason some woman got raped or some dude got run down by a lorry and rendered paraplegic bes because they wanted all the wonderful ATTENTION. Say, Moriah used to have a friend (he bes deceased now, God rest his soul) who had a wasting disease. He couldn't move. He bes on a wheelbed and everyone else around him HAD to wait on his every need hand and foot -- NO CHOICE -- he could do NOTHING physically for himself. Guess what, he didn't rig it up with the universe to get this disease so he could get "attention" from everyone. Oh and guess what else? Before he died, Moriah teased him once telling him in jest (because its kids bes small back then and it bes tired from picking up & running around after them allatimes as mothers get you know) that it wished it could trade places so it could have someone do stuff for Moriah a little while. And he looked straight at Moriah and said no way, he would never trade with it in a million years -- he didn't want to have to experience what Moriah did.

Chew on that awhile. You did not live its life. You do not get to say what did and did not happen in its life. It knows what it went through and what it has been through since. You can have whatever theology you like. Doesn't change a bloody thing.

Can the need to be the center of attention be so important that one would risk their eternal soul (and their life here and now) by playing such juvenile games?

Can the need to HURT someone else by falsely portraying them this way for whatever reasons of one's own, which thing to do bes abusive in the extreme, not to mention an absolute LIE, be so important that one would risk THEIR eternal soul and their life here and now playing such a juvenile game? No one freaking chooses to be afflicted.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed in order to manipulate and control the behaviors of other Christians?

Do you think it is an unforgivable sin for a Christian to claim to be demon-possessed for online entertainment purposes - to be 'the special one'?

Do you think this can be a spirit-filled Christian and can a Christian play these games and remain a Christian?

When the Syro-Phonecian woman came and besought Christ for healing for her daughter what bes greviously vexed by a devil (i.e., possessed) He stated for the benefit of His then-still-bigoted little fan club that it bes not meet to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs. Her answer, in essence, compiled to something along the lines of "yeah well even if i bes a dog, i bes entitled to some dogfood." (her actual words more like "yeah, but even dogs eat the crumbs falling from their Masters' table.)

When He distributed 7 loaves and 2 fishes there bes 12 basketfuls of leftovers .... thus demonstrably plenty for all.

Christ called deliverance the Childrens' Bread. That alone has been frequently invoked by people in this theological argument over whether Christians can end up having demons as a way of proving yes, apparently they can, or deliverance would not be termed the children's bread. But that bes not why Moriah puts that story here for this moment.

For this moment Moriah puts it here because it wants to map this properly.

So it bes inhabited and yet here come those for whatever twisted and confused reasons of their own want to claim it bes not truly in need or afflicted in this way. The atheists at least have compassion mastered -- they chalk this up to mental illness, thus acknowledging the reality of the situation even if they have a different opinion regarding its cause. Not so the Christians. The Christians who prove incapable of discerning the reality of its situation (note it does not say incapable of ALL discernment NOR does it suggest "not actually Christian" so lets not go there please) want to say NO because they don't want to take the children's bread and throw it to what they consider a crass manipulative attention-seeking pity-partying narcissistic dramaqueeny game-player. Which really amounts to a fancier and more roundabout method of modern bigotry to call someone a dog, but the gist remains the same, neh?

And so if you wish to judge Moriah a dog, go right ahead. It still maintains it has a right to some dog food. Of course it knows that God knows it bes no dog but in fact bes as much His child as anyone else here. And He also knows the truth of its situation does not involve being a "dog" no matter how many people want to call it that outright or simply imply it covertly.

 

[Elijah2]

A Chrisitian CANNOT be inhabited by demons. There is no biblical precedent for it. Opposing spirits cannot inhabit the same body. So that boils down to someone playing games.



You call it healing, I call it sanctification. Submission to Jesus as Lord. No one can do it themselves. And God won't do it if YOU don't want Him to.

Can the need to be the center of attention be so important that one would risk their eternal soul (and their life here and now) by playing such juvenile games?

I'm sorry Deba, but if a Christian's house is empty, swept and put in order, then those demons that had left will return like a roaring lion to devour such person, and will bring seven more worse than him to dwell in that house of a Christian.

That is how a Christian is demonised. You have garbage in your house, your soul, and those rats will breed in that garbage, and cause disease. That garbag is unconfessed and unrepented sin that lays in the soul, that is pushed aside by the carnal mind, ignored by pride, and subbornness because of will, and all those emotional feelings and problems remain unhealed, and stops the spiritual mind, the heart from being transformed into what our Lord desires.

Sanctification isn't confession, repentance, forgiveness and love, but healing is and that healing can only come from confession, repentance, forgiveness and love.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Floatingaxe]

A Chrisitian CANNOT be inhabited by demons. There is no biblical precedent for it. Opposing spirits cannot inhabit the same body. So that boils down to someone playing games.

You are dead wrong there, friend. I have seen it and experienced it.

 

[Joy]

I'm sorry Deba, but if a Christian's house is empty, swept and put in order, then those demons that had left will return like a roaring lion to devour such person, and will bring seven more worse than him to dwell in that house of a Christian.

That is how a Christian is demonised. You have garbage in your house, your soul, and those rats will breed in that garbage, and cause disease. That garbag is unconfessed and unrepented sin that lays in the soul, that is pushed aside by the carnal mind, ignored by pride, and subbornness because of will, and all those emotional feelings and problems remain unhealed, and stops the spiritual mind, the heart from being transformed into what our Lord desires.

Sanctification isn't confession, repentance, forgiveness and love, but healing is and that healing can only come from confession, repentance, forgiveness and love.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

I totally agree with this, because this happened to me.

 

[LinkH]

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is speaking against the Holy Spirit. Some people try to redefine the word 'blaspheme' to mean something other than blaspheme to make Jesus teaching on this subject fit into their systematic theology. 'Blasphemy' is an obscure word, after all, and a lot of people do not know what it means. The problem is that English translations of Matthew come right out and say whoever speaks a word against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

I've heard people say that dying in unbelief is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. But it is irrational to argue that 'speak against'= 'dying in unbelief.' Dying is not a sin. Christ died. Unbelief is not unforgivable. Paul was forgiven.

Here is a video series on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuoCsB9VALU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77HG6ErFm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4bfwHmoS0

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

hey what you gots against flies. you gots a problem with Pestilentials???