The Two Extremes

[trivista]

Where evidence disagrees with the Bible --- evidence is wrong.



As my pastor says --- and I totally agree --- humans weren't smart enough to write the Bible.



Was it now? Even though It speaks of the Internet, submarine currents, the universe expanding, hydrology, the Laws of Thermodynamics, conservation of mass/energy, entropy, the nuclear forces, sterilization and advanced medicine, and much more?



Maybe you believe the earth is only 6000 years old --- I don't.

What portion of the Bible covers the Internet?

 

[Chalnoth]

In response to the OP, I think it's only natural. If you're going to debate, there has to be disagreement. Naturally there will be more disagreement between people on either end of the spectrum than between people on one end of the spectrum and people nearer the middle. Thus there is necessarily more opportunity for debate between people at opposite extremes.

 

[lemmings]

What portion of the Bible covers the Internet?

The Tower of Babel?

 

[SallyNow]

In response to the OP, I think it's only natural. If you're going to debate, there has to be disagreement. Naturally there will be more disagreement between people on either end of the spectrum than between people on one end of the spectrum and people nearer the middle. Thus there is necessarily more opportunity for debate between people at opposite extremes.

Well, yes. But I've found thatdebating the positions between the two extreme ends of a debate spectrum can be just as interesting - although perhaps not as dramatic - as the two extremes going after each other.

Actually middle ground would be being agnostic and saying we dont know

The middle ground the spectrum between the two extremes. It's not a set line but a rainbow of grey that includes everything from "I don't know" to "I accept science but believe in a Creator" to various GAP theories. It's more like a 3-d valley than a 2-d line. Semantics are fun

 

[AV1611VET]

This was ever intelligent conversation?

-earth isnt 6000 ears old and here is evidence
-oh jes it is! my evidence is bible, noob

intelligent conversation at it best

Did I say it was 6000 years old?

Reading comprehension at its best.

 

[AV1611VET]

What portion of the Bible covers the Internet?

[bible]Job 38:35[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

What portion of the Bible covers the Internet?

The Tower of Babel?

Nothing personal --- but here's a good example of an atheistic answer to a good Bible question.

This is why we educators are here, though --- we love ya!

 

[SallyNow]

Did I say it was 6000 years old?

Reading comprehension at its best.

You said it here:

God created this universe 6100 years ago, with age embedded in it.

It is physically [insert any number here]-years-old.

But it has only been around for 6100 years.

Example: Adam was created as an adult --- so were the plants and animals.

If I make a table today in the Arts and Crafts movement style, and paint it, and then age the table, it's still just made today. There is no age embedded in it. It just looks old, an imitation. Now, I'm not comparing myself to Creation. But, in a sense, wouldn't embedded age just mean the Earth was created and aged? An imitation of an old Earth?

I accept the scientific view, and the Biblical view. But the Biblical view gives us the "why" and an allegory of how it was done. Science gives the scientific "how", the "when" of how the universe was created.

 

[lemmings]

Nothing personal --- but here's a good example of an atheistic answer to a good Bible question.

This is why we educators are here, though --- we love ya!

I give an example of something that united all of humanity in the bible, and you talk about someone shooting lightining? Job could have just as easily been talking about World of Warcraft or one of the Sith Lords, not a five-volt logic gate opening on a simiconductor chip.

 

[AV1611VET]

You said it here:

God created this universe 6100 years ago, with age embedded in it.

It is physically [insert any number here]-years-old.

But it has only been around for 6100 years.

Example: Adam was created as an adult --- so were the plants and animals.

Hi, Sally --- nice to meet you ---

Please look closely at what I said. I said the earth has only been around for 6100 years. IOW --- it has only gone around the sun some 6100 times --- but it came into existence as a mature planet.

If I make a table today in the Arts and Crafts movement style, and paint it, and then age the table, it's still just made today.

Yes --- you made the table today --- but the table, after you aged it, is old. I don't mean to nitpick, but God didn't make this earth, then age it --- He made it aged --- there's a difference.

There is no age embedded in it. It just looks old, an imitation.

Again --- I don't mean to nitpick --- but I disagree. If you made a table today, then aged it --- it is old.

Let's say you aged it beyond its age of use. Touch it and what would happen? It would fall apart, would it not?

But if the table only looked old --- it would not fall apart.

The earth looks old because it is old.

Now, I'm not comparing myself to Creation. But, in a sense, wouldn't embedded age just mean the Earth was created and aged?

No --- it was created aged. There's a difference.

An imitation of an old Earth?

God doesn't deal with imitations, Satan does.

I accept the scientific view, and the Biblical view.

You cannot reconcile today's science with the universe prior to the Fall. The universe operated under a different set of physical laws back then.

It is soon to be brought back under those same laws.

But the Biblical view gives us the "why" and an allegory of how it was done. Science gives the scientific "how", the "when" of how the universe was created.

Do you see what you just did, Sally? You allegorized the Bible in favor of what scientists tell you about the universe today. IOW, you're letting today's "science" trump the Bible.

God says otherwise --- please don't make science your god.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

At the end of the day there can only be one answer.

Either God the creator created us, or we are the product of evolution.

The answer is EVOLUTION, all evidence points to it.

Absolutely no evidence in the natural world, for any mystical deity, it’s the product of imagination, just the same as fairies, goblins, trolls, the phoenix, dragons, ghosts, unicorn, spaghetti monster and my favourite the sock monster. I might be wrong about the sock monster, how else do I end up with so many single socks.

 

[AV1611VET]

I give an example of something that united all of humanity in the bible, and you talk about someone shooting lightining? Job could have just as easily been talking about World of Warcraft or one of the Sith Lords, not a five-volt logic gate opening on a simiconductor chip.

Ya --- keep thinking that and you'll go through life thinking the Bible is a Book of myth.

This is why we Christians have to answer the same questions over and over and over.

It's really very sad.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Ya --- keep thinking that and you'll go through life thinking the Bible is a Book of myth.

This is why we Christians have to answer the same questions over and over and over.

It's really very sad.

The bible is only partial myth, the rest is down right nonsense.

 

[AV1611VET]

Absolutely no evidence in the natural world, for any mystical deity...

I agree --- that's why God is real - not mystical.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is only partial myth, the rest is down right nonsense.

No pop quizzes for you, then.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Okie-doke, MrGoodBytes.

Glad we agree. Furthermore, if God creates a planet with the traces of 4.5 billion years of history right now, this planet is 0 years old.

 

[vernee]

The bible is only partial myth, the rest is down right nonsense.

Ouch.

 

[Atheuz]

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I agree --- that's why God is real - not mystical.

Okay - Obviously that wasn't clear enough for you:

There is no evidence for Gods existence.

 

[SallyNow]

And here it is one again, the two "extremes" of the spectrum battling over the world being what science says, billions and billions of years old, and what a few theologians thought up a while back, that the Earth is only 6000 years old, but with age "embedded" in it.

About that "embedded" theory: Even if someone creates a chair made out of wood and material cut/made in the early 1800's, and styles the chair exactly like it should look for an Empire Style chair, it's still just a modern reproduction. Yes, even though it's made out old wood, old cloth, old padding, it's just a reproduction. Why would God make a reproduction Earth? An imitation Earth?

And, this is a question to the Young Earth Creationists: Why can it not be that Earth was created billions of years ago, and we were given an allegory for its Creation in the Bible? An allegory can contain as much truth as a literal translation - it's just a Truth that's a little more complex, a little more beautiful.

 

[Beccs]

Where evidence disagrees with the Bible --- evidence is wrong.



As my pastor says --- and I totally agree --- humans weren't smart enough to write the Bible.



Was it now? Even though It speaks of the Internet, submarine currents, the universe expanding, hydrology, the Laws of Thermodynamics, conservation of mass/energy, entropy, the nuclear forces, sterilization and advanced medicine, and much more?



Maybe you believe the earth is only 6000 years old --- I don't.

Ignoring evidence to the contrary of what you believe is just blind at best, ignorant at worse.


Your pastor is wrong. The first evidence of written language appears aroind 3000 BCE. The intervening years gave plenty of time for human language and writing to develop to the level where a book like the bible could be written. There are still plenty of texts around with the same sort of sophistication that predate the writing of the bible.

Can you quote for me the specific passages where the internet an other things you claim appear in the bible? NOT interpretations, I mean the actual words of the passage. It's easy, in modern times, to claim prophetic interpretations from ancient works to current events.