The Turkey factor.

[Red Panda]

Today at 02:04 PM mala said this in Post #19


mistake or not it happened

Yes, it did.  And we're living with the consequences.  So we either try to fix the mistake, or people keep getting killed. 

It would have been a lot easier on everyone if the various states of Yugoslavia hadn't been forced together at gunpoint and then held together like six grenades wrapped in a bungee cord.  Instead of just throwing our hands up and saying, "mistake or not, it happened" how about applying a little rational sense and admitting that the colonial powers have created inherently unstable countries?  And then seeking a way to fix that problem, before plunging a region into armed conflict?

And if it's your argument that "history's over, we shouldn't try to change it" then that's a very dangerous and slippery argument to be making.

and now people have to deal with it and stop insisting on grabbing pieces of other countries to form their own homeland

I gather that you disapproved of the dissolution of the USSR into separate countries, then?  How about the continued "grabbing of other countries" that Israel is doing, in retaining the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights? 

What you fail to realize is exactly how nations are formed, at *any* time in history.  There's no new land being created, so anyone who has a country now obtained that country by "grabbing a piece" from someone else. 

You also fail to realize that these "other countries" only exist by the slimmest thread of legitimacy in the first place, having been formed without the consent of the governed.  We started a revolutionary war over a concept like that, you know.  Are you saying that other groups around the world don't have that same right?

what if the native americans demanded all their old homes back

would you give it to them?

1.  I would be happy if the USA would simply honor the existing treaties, and stop trying to wiggle out of enforcing them.

2.  Would I give it back to them?  If it could be proven that it was stolen by force or theft, I would certainly find some way to compensate them.  It might not be possible to give back that exact piece of property, but some sort of accommodation can be found.  Except, of course, for those who simply don't want to try.  There are a lot of people like that, unfortunately. 

as far as splitting up iraq into smaller pieces, that wont be happening since it is not in the best interests of that region.

You don't have a clue what will, or will not, happen there.  The situation is not predictable to that degree of certainty.



 

 

[ACougar]

All we can do is pray for peace, and of course vote anything but Republican in the next election.

 

[datan]

21st February 2003 at 08:14 PM Morat said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=667792#post667792)

You do realize that pretty much everyone, save Britain and Spain, that are part of our coalition (either supporting war, or allowing us use of bases or airspace) are all being bribed?

Our coalition of the bought off, as I believe it's being called.

here's a link to a story about this:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/876750.asp?0cv=CA01

 

[datan]

or by bullying ...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/842500.asp?0bl=-0

 

[Red Panda]

Yesterday at 10:28 PM datan said this in Post #23

here's a link to a story about this:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/876750.asp?0cv=CA01

If someone in a courtroom bribed a jury to vote in their favor, how much respect would we have for the verdict? 

For those who are claiming that we have "strong allies" or "world backing", this kind of cheapens those claims to be nothing more than a case of bribery.


 

 

[datan]

looks like Turkey is holding out for even more...apparently even US $26 billion 'aid'/bribe isn't enough for 'em...

 

[ACougar]

I can't help but think about how we could use the hundreds of billions of dollars this war is gonna cost here at home.

 

[datan]

I like how they want cash upfront..."sorry--no credit. C.O.D."