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Tell me why God would not mold His clay as He see's fit.. How can the pot say to the potter why am I made this way?
That is the question I have been asking calvinists for years.
Maybe you should ask Paul.... He expects the question and answers...
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Cut off the stuff after "ca", and you will go to a site that is, to say the least, extreme.
There is no link on that site to a "global religion statistics/world Christian encyclopedia", that I can find.
JDS, let's see the actual quote, rather than a non-working link. Given the nature of the rest of this site, and it's obvious vitriolic attitude toward Calvinism, I seriously doubt any info that it would purport to say. At least now I know where you're getting your flawed and inaccurate view of Calvinism.
Folks, go to http://www.bible.ca and see for yourself.
Try this and follow links
http://www.adherents.com/
I could not tell that this link is either pro or con anything. It is a graph. I will work on getting it to you later. It is statistics for all religions in the world.
The graph that I got my data from can be found by doing this
http://www.bible.ca
This is not a website I have ever visited for information on anti calvist material, BTW (or for anything else).
Type in "statistics" in the search box
Click -
Global statistics for all religions: 2001 AD
The first graph is the Data I was referencing.
The link does not work, it goes to a blank page. It is a bogus link. Copy and paste the info here, or admit that you don't have it.
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression.
I clicked on the link and got this error
Ephesians 2:8 says salvation is a gift, not that our faith is a gift. Greek grammar precludes that the idea was that faith was a gift because the gender of the word translated "faith" does not agree with the gender of the pronoun "that" in the phrase "and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God.
Van said:James 2:5 does not say people love God as a consequence of being chosen. Just read it folks. It says God choses folks rich in faith, not to be rich in faith. Every translation that inserts those words alters the meaning of the text. Greek grammar supports the idea that the verb, choose, has a direct object and a compliment. The compliment is "rich in faith" therefore the correct understanding is God choses those who are rich in faith. The verse should be translated as it is in a number of version, Did not God choose the poor of this world, rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him.
Van said:the fact that I know nothing of Greek grammar does not mean I cannot present what Greek scholars say is the construction of James 2:5.
Your assertion simply demonstrates you have no idea how the verse is put together according to the experts who provided my view
Do you? Can you enlighten us on the grammar structure of this verse?Van said:RTE seems to have no idea of the Greek grammatical structure of James 2:5.
Van said:Unconditional election to salvation is demonstrated false by James 2:5 which teaches that God chooses folks based on their characteristics for salvation. They were poor in the eyes of the world, but rich in God's eyes because they loved God.
You have consistently denied in other posts and threads that faith originates from God and yet from the post above you claim that faith does originate from GodVan said:Does our faith originate from God? Yes, God is the first cause of everything. God gave us the ability to hear, understand, accept and trust fully in God. God provided His revelation, including the gospel of Christ which is the power of God to salvation.
IE7, or Firefox?
Firefox
Try it in IE7. Not that it will really give you much info, though. I am waiting for JDS to show us what he's referring to. He doesn't seem to want to do that. (imagine that!)
I saw the site, and it seems to view Christianity as a very narrow entity. I checked the other site he linked (Adherents) but since it is multiple choice, and I don't know what category he looked up, I don't know how to find what he says is there.
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