The truth is, God was invited to create - who invited you to evolve?

[Gottservant]

Where does the Bible say that, then?

Proverbs speaks of Wisdom calling to the fool to trust Her.

John speaks about God continuing to be God.

Wisdom calling to God and God justifying Her, is not much of a stretch, from these two preceding verses.

 

[Strong in Him]

Proverbs speaks of Wisdom calling to the fool to trust Her.

So?

John speaks about God continuing to be God.

God doesn't "continue to be God" - He always was God and always will be. He is eternal.

Wisdom calling to God and God justifying Her, is not much of a stretch, from these two preceding verses.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Where does it say in the Bible that when God created the world he was invited to do so?
You have made this claim; you should be able to back it up.

There are lots of different doctrines, and denominations, because people look at the Bible and say "this must mean that ....", "this verse appears to say ...." or "that's not much of a stretch from that".

 

[Gottservant]

So?

So, that's inviting!

God doesn't "continue to be God" - He always was God and always will be. He is eternal.

In Heaven, choice is irrelevant. Saying to God "but you're God" will fall on deaf ears.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Where does it say in the Bible that when God created the world he was invited to do so?
You have made this claim; you should be able to back it up.

There are lots of different doctrines, and denominations, because people look at the Bible and say "this must mean that ....", "this verse appears to say ...." or "that's not much of a stretch from that".

If you refuse to believe it, refuse on the basis of scripture - not that I am asking for the same scripture as you - but that you know for yourself where it is you stand: what scripture would it be?

 

[Strong in Him]

So, that's inviting!

It's not inviting GOD; God is not a fool.

In Heaven, choice is irrelevant. Saying to God "but you're God" will fall on deaf ears.

I didn't say anything at all about choice.
God is God, always was God and always will be God; that's a fact.

If you refuse to believe it, refuse on the basis of scripture - not that I am asking for the same scripture as you - but that you know for yourself where it is you stand: what scripture would it be?

I'm asking YOU for the Scripture verse, or passage, which says that God was invited to create the universe, which is what you claimed in your OP. You have not provided one.
You made some vague reference about wisdom asking the fool to trust her - no specific reference, just "in Proverbs". But unless you are calling God a fool, that does not cover it; and it's nothing to do with the world being created.

 

[Gottservant]

It's not inviting GOD; God is not a fool.

No, its a statement about what God calls attractive.

I didn't say anything at all about choice.
God is God, always was God and always will be God; that's a fact.

And if you just say "it's a fact", it will fall on deaf ears (I'm not saying I'm not listening, just that there is more to the faith than listening).

I'm asking YOU for the Scripture verse, or passage, which says that God was invited to create the universe, which is what you claimed in your OP. You have not provided one.
You made some vague reference about wisdom asking the fool to trust her - no specific reference, just "in Proverbs". But unless you are calling God a fool, that does not cover it; and it's nothing to do with the world being created.

Proverbs is a book of Wisdom, do you not think that there is significance to the fact that it begins with an assessment of two types of attraction?

And again, God is the Word, in John, a book about the Love of Christ - do you not think that it is significant that a book about the Love of God begins by saying He remained the same from the beginning?

All I did was put these concepts together.

But test the Holy Spirit, see if He reminds you of Proverbs, John or what I said?

("be wise as serpents and harmless as doves")

 

[Strong in Him]

No, its a statement about what God call's attractive.

I don't believe it is - but quote the verse you are referring to, and we'll see.

And if you just say "it's a fact", it will fall on deaf ears

Whose deaf ears - yours?
It's a Scriptural teaching, Christians believe the Bible and this is a Christian forum.
Are you saying you don't believe it?

Proverbs is a book of Wisdom, do you not think that there is significance to the fact that it begins with an assessment of two types of attraction?

Significance of what?
I, and others, have asked you to prove, or at least back up, your statement that God was invited to create the world; talking, vaguely, about wisdom is not doing that.

And again, God is the Word, in John, a book about the Love of Christ - do you not think that it is significant that a book about the Love of God begins by saying He remained the same from the beginning?

No.

All I did was put these concepts together.

You put 2 and 2 together and made 25, or 75.
Or, more likely, you put two different things together and made something completely different.

But test the Holy Spirit, see if He reminds you of Proverbs, John or what I said?

a) I'm not going to "test the Spirit".
b) Proverbs is a big book, 31 chapters, and John has 21. IF the Spirit was going to prompt me to look at it, he'd lead me to a specific chapter, or reference. I've asked you for one and you haven't given it.
c) I haven't a clue what you're saying. You talked, at one point, of "choosing to evolve" - no one chooses to evolve.
d) If I agreed with anything you have said I would not be answering these wild statements of yours.

 

[Gottservant]

I don't believe it is - but quote the verse you are referring to, and we'll see.

I did not respond to one specific scripture, but drew inspiration from all of it (as all scripture does).

Whose deaf ears - yours?
It's a Scriptural teaching, Christians believe the Bible and this is a Christian forum.
Are you saying you don't believe it?

Ears, ears, does God not lift His Voice?

I am saying if you are faithful, you can do more than "just" believe it.

Significance of what?
I, and others, have asked you to prove, or at least back up, your statement that God was invited to create the world; talking, vaguely, about wisdom is not doing that.

I'm not talking vaguely about anything; I wrote a story, and when you asked for verification, I referred to where in scripture the characters of my story were vouched for.

No.

If you can't see relevance, from context, there is little I can say.

You put 2 and 2 together and made 25, or 75.
Or, more likely, you put two different things together and made something completely different.

What actually is "wrong" with the idea, that God created, because He felt He was invited to?

a) I'm not going to "test the Spirit".
b)
c)
d)

That is where your boat ride, hits the shore - if you can't redress this, take the ride back?

 

[Strong in Him]

I did not respond to one specific scripture, but drew inspiration from all of it (as all scripture does).

You won't - and I suggest can't - find anything in Scripture which says that God was invited to create the world. So your "inspiration" has to come from somewhere else.

I'm not talking vaguely about anything; I wrote a story, and when you asked for verification, I referred to where in scripture the characters of my story were vouched for.

No, you didn't.
You made the statement that God was invited to create the world. When asked for Scriptural evidence you mentioned Proverbs and John's Gospel. That is a vague reference. Proverbs and John are long books; be more specific.

That is where your boat ride, hits the shore - if you can't redress this, take the ride back?

Not for the first time I haven't a clue what you mean by this.

If you're saying I should end the conversation, that's probably a good idea.
No one else seems inclined to argue with you on this, which suggests that they have heard your baseless ideas before. In fact, someone even said that they have discussed evolution with you before.
It seems you are obsessed with this idea.

 

[Gottservant]

You won't - and I suggest can't - find anything in Scripture which says that God was invited to create the world. So your "inspiration" has to come from somewhere else.

Find me a scripture, that says you have to "find it in scripture"?

No, you didn't.
You made the statement that God was invited to create the world. When asked for Scriptural evidence you mentioned Proverbs and John's Gospel. That is a vague reference. Proverbs and John are long books; be more specific.

As I said, find me that scripture.

God being invited to create, is a proverbial way of telling the story of Creation. It is a summary of a book, not a reference to a specific detail in one of them.

How am I supposed to find inspiration in the Word of God, if all that is expected is that I echo it, without inspiration?

Not for the first time I haven't a clue what you mean by this.

If you're saying I should end the conversation, that's probably a good idea.
No one else seems inclined to argue with you on this, which suggests that they have heard your baseless ideas before. In fact, someone even said that they have discussed evolution with you before.
It seems you are obsessed with this idea.

I'm just saying "dude", if you can't test the Holy Spirit, you are expecting more of humanity, than is reasonable.

I'm not saying that's wrong - maybe you think I'm the Devil - I'm just saying even as this forum goes, you need more (love) than that.

 

[Strong in Him]

God being invited to create, is a proverbial way of telling the story of Creation. It is a summary of a book, not a reference to a specific detail in one of them.

No, it isn't.
"Inviting" is a way of asking someone to do, or attend, something. "I am inviting you to my party", "You are invited to attend", "I've been invited to go".
Saying that God was invited to create the world means that someone said to God, "I'm inviting you to create the world" - which suggests that this other person/being could do it themselves but they wanted God to.

People have asked you, "WHO invited God?", and you can't give an answer.
As this is a Christian forum, we are all Christians and believe that the Bible is God's word, it's not unreasonable to ask for a reference to back up what you are saying.
If you HAD a reference you could easily say to us, "here, it says this in .... verse...", or there are three passages in the OT and one in the NT that teaches this.
You have no such reference, but only talk about "Proverbs" and "John" - which say no such thing. You then say "I don't need to go into specific detail."

You can't back up your claim; so be it.

How am I supposed to find inspiration in the Word of God, if all that is expected is that I echo it, without inspiration?

I've no idea what that means; again, it is illogical.
The Holy Spirit inspires us to read God's word, helps us to understand it and applies it to our lives.

I'm just saying "dude", if you can't test the Holy Spirit, you are expecting more of humanity, than is reasonable.

Again, that is illogical and doesn't make sense.
And don't call me "dude".

 

[Gottservant]

And don't call me "dude".

Fine. And in reply, tell me what Christian you call me - as it's apparent your definition is fluid, based on which scripture I quote?

No, it isn't.
"Inviting" is a way of asking someone to do, or attend, something. "I am inviting you to my party", "You are invited to attend", "I've been invited to go".
Saying that God was invited to create the world means that someone said to God, "I'm inviting you to create the world" - which suggests that this other person/being could do it themselves but they wanted God to.

You very quickly go to subtext, that is not there. In the past this has been called blind faith.

People have asked you, "WHO invited God?", and you can't give an answer.
As this is a Christian forum, we are all Christians and believe that the Bible is God's word, it's not unreasonable to ask for a reference to back up what you are saying.
If you HAD a reference you could easily say to us, "here, it says this in .... verse...", or there are three passages in the OT and one in the NT that teaches this.
You have no such reference, but only talk about "Proverbs" and "John" - which say no such thing. You then say "I don't need to go into specific detail."

I'm not avoiding the question! Quote me the scripture that says I have to quote scripture, before I think anything else?

You can't back up your claim; so be it.

If you can't assess character, from the vantage point of different actors, your interpretation of the story of the Bible, is already weak, in the Devil's eyes - I gave you character references which do relate, your claim that it's not sufficient, is based on a standard of interpretation that may be suited to remembering slightly more scripture to begin with... but which is completely lacking creativity, in the end.

I've no idea what that means; again, it is illogical.

It's illogical, that I need inspiration - now I've heard everything!

The Holy Spirit inspires us to read God's word, helps us to understand it and applies it to our lives.

Which is nowhere explicit in the scriptures, but I take what you said for what you wanted it to mean.

Again, that is illogical and doesn't make sense.

Ask me to test the Holy Spirit, I am completely coherent about what that means.

(I will pray for you, that you learn this?)

 

[SelfSim]

I'm just saying "dude",

Whaat???
Appalling reference right there!?

 

[Strong in Him]

Ask me to test the Holy Spirit, I am completely coherent about what that means.

(I will pray for you, that you learn this?)

Goodbye.

 

[gaara4158]

God found Wisdom inviting, Wisdom invited God.

That's the shortest story about the beginning that you will ever hear!

Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.

"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

 

[Strong in Him]

Debatable that creating the universe was at all wise.

It was fantastic until human beings messed it up.

 

[AV1611VET]

"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

Written by a self-proclaimed "radical atheist" no less.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Written by a self-proclaimed "radical atheist" no less.

Still a funny quote though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Still a funny quote though.

He's in aitch now.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He's in aitch now.

I love how you accuse me of trolling but fail to recognize when you do it.