The Truth About The Earth!!!!

[stumpjumper]

Ditto. I have faith in God, not in evolution. I accept evolution. There's a difference.

Indeed.

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[Proselyte]

Let's see some supporters of Creation have issue with that I said. Until then I will just assume your agenda in pushing evolution is what the heart of the matter is.

 

[Willtor]

Let's see some supporters of Creation have issue with that I said. Until then I will just assume your agenda in pushing evolution is what the heart of the matter is.

Proselyte, seriously, creation and evolution aside, the theology of the Church for some 1900 years has stood opposed to the notion of faith as something propositional. Faith is more like trust than it is like a belief that a thing is so. That is why Paul can say that salvation is by grace through faith, and James can say that faith without works is dead. Seriously, this isn't attached to crevo arguments. This is really a serious matter.

 

[Proselyte]

"The Church?" What "Church" do you speak of?

 

[Willtor]

"The Church?" What "Church" do you speak of?

The body of Christ; the presence of Christ on Earth. This is orthodox theology. Even if you are right about the age of the Earth, don't let your opposition to evolution cloud your thinking in this matter.

 

[Proselyte]

The body of Christ; the presence of Christ on Earth. This is orthodox theology. Even if you are right about the age of the Earth, don't let your opposition to evolution cloud your thinking in this matter.

But don't you see some people put their Faith into things like this that supercede their view of Biblical origins. There is nothing in Genesis that says literal creation didn't happen. Evolutionists would like to say their spotty "evidence" proves their case. They choose that over the Bible. Thus they put their "Faith" in things over the word of God.

 

[Willtor]

But don't you see some people put their Faith into things like this that supercede their view of Biblical origins. There is nothing in Genesis that says literal creation didn't happen. Evolutionists would like to say their spotty "evidence" proves their case. They choose that over the Bible. Thus they put their "Faith" in things over the word of God.

Even if all that about spotty evidence is so, it doesn't make it faith. Neither do you have faith in a 6-day creation or the Bible. It's not faith. That's not what faith is. If I said that I believed that there were little green men on Mars, it would be a belief of some sort, but it wouldn't be faith in the Christian sense.

 

[Proselyte]

This is pointless, but thanks for the effort.

 

[Willtor]

This is pointless, but thanks for the effort.

Talk to your pastor about faith. Someone who went through seminary should know this stuff, I'm sure.

 

[Proselyte]

Talk to your pastor about faith. Someone who went through seminary should know this stuff, I'm sure.

There's no need to discuss semantics. The problem is too many people get caught up in legalism, rituals etc, and spend less time talking about the heart of the matter.

 

[AvengingHandofGod]

Dinosaur "Fossils," if you will, are in my opinion just deceptive tricks placed underground by Satan to deceive man away from the True Word. Why do you think they're completely devoid of things like DNA and Chromosomes and so forth? Because Satan cannot create life, only tricks, and death. What are Dinosaur Fossils but death-related illusions? Any child who plays with Dinosaur toys or reads Dinosaur books is falling prey to the Deceiver; therefore, I never allow my children or nieces or nephews to bring Dinosaur toys home. Dinosaur bones are NOT millions of years old; because the Earth is not millions of years old. Read through Genesis; it clearly outlines the lineage of Adam, Isaak, Noah, Abraham, etc. Suppose that each occurrance of "X begat Y" took (a very conservative by those standards) 20 years to produce. Even then, by that generous measure, the Earth would only be about 6200 years old! Dinosaurs couldn't have existed "millions of years ago," and if they didn't exist in the garden, and weren't preserved in life by Noah, then either they never existed, or Noah somehow chose not to save ANY dinosaur species, ever. Dinosaurs aren't real. Only the One True Word of God is real.

Glory to God in the Highest and to his Servants on Earth, Deliverance.

 

[chaoschristian]

. . . But Moses Supposes Erroneously . . .

Welcome to CF! May your stay here be both enjoyable and productive.









Poe's Law

 

[RenHoek]

Dinosaur "Fossils," if you will, are in my opinion just deceptive tricks placed underground by Satan to deceive man away from the True Word. Why do you think they're completely devoid of things like DNA and Chromosomes and so forth? Because Satan cannot create life, only tricks, and death. What are Dinosaur Fossils but death-related illusions? Any child who plays with Dinosaur toys or reads Dinosaur books is falling prey to the Deceiver; therefore, I never allow my children or nieces or nephews to bring Dinosaur toys home. Dinosaur bones are NOT millions of years old; because the Earth is not millions of years old. Read through Genesis; it clearly outlines the lineage of Adam, Isaak, Noah, Abraham, etc. Suppose that each occurrance of "X begat Y" took (a very conservative by those standards) 20 years to produce. Even then, by that generous measure, the Earth would only be about 6200 years old! Dinosaurs couldn't have existed "millions of years ago," and if they didn't exist in the garden, and weren't preserved in life by Noah, then either they never existed, or Noah somehow chose not to save ANY dinosaur species, ever. Dinosaurs aren't real. Only the One True Word of God is real.

Glory to God in the Highest and to his Servants on Earth, Deliverance.

huh

 

[Willtor]

Poe's Law?

 

[Dannager]

Dinosaur "Fossils," if you will, are in my opinion just deceptive tricks placed underground by Satan to deceive man away from the True Word. Why do you think they're completely devoid of things like DNA and Chromosomes and so forth? Because Satan cannot create life, only tricks, and death. What are Dinosaur Fossils but death-related illusions? Any child who plays with Dinosaur toys or reads Dinosaur books is falling prey to the Deceiver; therefore, I never allow my children or nieces or nephews to bring Dinosaur toys home. Dinosaur bones are NOT millions of years old; because the Earth is not millions of years old. Read through Genesis; it clearly outlines the lineage of Adam, Isaak, Noah, Abraham, etc. Suppose that each occurrance of "X begat Y" took (a very conservative by those standards) 20 years to produce. Even then, by that generous measure, the Earth would only be about 6200 years old! Dinosaurs couldn't have existed "millions of years ago," and if they didn't exist in the garden, and weren't preserved in life by Noah, then either they never existed, or Noah somehow chose not to save ANY dinosaur species, ever. Dinosaurs aren't real. Only the One True Word of God is real.

Glory to God in the Highest and to his Servants on Earth, Deliverance.

This can't be real...

 

[shernren]

It's amusing to see people get riled up that I support Creation. No need to feel so threatened if you have faith in Evolution. If that works for you, so be it.

Oh, it's not support for Creation that got me riled up. It's the good old Bible Hammer:

Hey we all have faith. If you choose to have faith in evolution, I'm not going to stop you.

Evolutionists would like to say their spotty "evidence" proves their case. They choose that over the Bible. Thus they put their "Faith" in things over the word of God.

Well, do you actually know any theistic evolutionists? How do you know that they treat the Bible, or Jesus the Word of God, any less seriously for their belief in evolution? Until you can show so I'll take this as just another Bible Hammer. (It's like those tests where the doctor hits your kneecap with the rubber mallet. I'm numb to the Bible Hammer by now but I still kick back in reflex. )

And actually, the whole "fossils are Satan's counterfeits" was one of the key Christian viewpoints on fossils throughout medieval times. I'm not even sure when or how it faded away, except that it somehow did. I think it's an extremely good creationist argument, too. Don't blame God for making everything look old, it's all Satan's fault, and besides why would God's perfect creation have predators the size of schoolbuses and walking deforestation machines a few stories tall? Except, of course, the folks at AiG have been brainwashed by those darned evilutionists into believing that dinosaurs really existed.

 

[Proselyte]

Oh, it's not support for Creation that got me riled up. It's the good old Bible Hammer:



Well, do you actually know any theistic evolutionists? How do you know that they treat the Bible, or Jesus the Word of God, any less seriously for their belief in evolution? Until you can show so I'll take this as just another Bible Hammer. (It's like those tests where the doctor hits your kneecap with the rubber mallet. I'm numb to the Bible Hammer by now but I still kick back in reflex. )

And actually, the whole "fossils are Satan's counterfeits" was one of the key Christian viewpoints on fossils throughout medieval times. I'm not even sure when or how it faded away, except that it somehow did. I think it's an extremely good creationist argument, too. Don't blame God for making everything look old, it's all Satan's fault, and besides why would God's perfect creation have predators the size of schoolbuses and walking deforestation machines a few stories tall? Except, of course, the folks at AiG have been brainwashed by those darned evilutionists into believing that dinosaurs really existed.

You are of course entitled to your opinion Shenren.

Does it really matter to you if I am a YEC? Do you feel some need to convert me back to ToE?

 

[Mallon]

Wow. What a thread.

Dinosaur "Fossils," if you will, are in my opinion just deceptive tricks placed underground by Satan to deceive man away from the True Word. Why do you think they're completely devoid of things like DNA and Chromosomes and so forth?

Does the fact that we can squeeze DNA out of fossils suggest to you that God doesn't exist? Fossils contain all types of traces that suggest they once belonged to living animals: tooth wear, heme compounds, bone marrow, "in utero" eggs, skin impressions, bite marks, etc, etc, etc.

Any child who plays with Dinosaur toys or reads Dinosaur books is falling prey to the Deceiver; therefore, I never allow my children or nieces or nephews to bring Dinosaur toys home.

 

[Gukkor]

Wow. What a thread.

Does the fact that we can squeeze DNA out of fossils suggest to you that God doesn't exist? Fossils contain all types of traces that suggest they once belonged to living animals: tooth wear, heme compounds, bone marrow, "in utero" eggs, skin impressions, bite marks, etc, etc, etc.

pssst...he's yanking your chain. It's not a serious post.

 

[DarkWinter]

What is with you guys? you can't believe in Creation if you belief in evolution. Evolution not only says millions of years, but it also says that we evolved, the earth was created by a big bang. We were created in the beginning by God, he spoke and it happened, it also says that God created the land animals And man on the same day. The Bible does mention dinosaurs in Job and describes them in great detail. The Bible does prove that we were created around 6,000. And most of evolution was made up simply to try and prove Darwin's theory. The embrios were faked but it's still in the textbooks. The ape-human skull was faked but it's in the smithsonian as evidence. So how can you believe that dinasours were extinct millions of years ago if they are still pushing proved lies. All evolution, and any other belief, is, is a way to get out of answering to a higher power. They don't want to answer to anybody. If God created every animal in the beginning then there's no way that they were extinct before man. There is no true evidence of evolution, and anything that they do find is probably an extinct animal or not clear enough.