The truth about scriptual Baptism

[TwistrAndy]

I have a question. I'm not going to be rude, because that's not my nature, so I hope you all will let me post here. I don't mean to cause any debates, or hard feelings.

OK, I'm Pentecostal (We aren't "Oneness") But, when you talk about Baptism in the Holy Ghost , isn't that where you receive the "Speaking In Tongues" because every time (that I know of, and that's several) in the Bible, the people baptized in the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues. Can you give me your opinion. Just Wondering.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I have a question. I'm not going to be rude, because that's not my nature, so I hope you all will let me post here. I don't mean to cause any debates, or hard feelings.

OK, I'm Pentecostal (We aren't "Oneness") But, when you talk about Baptism in the Holy Ghost , isn't that where you receive the "Speaking In Tongues" because every time (that I know of, and that's several) in the Bible, the people baptized in the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues. Can you give me your opinion. Just Wondering.

I used the phrase Baptism of the Holy Spirit in this thread, and used it to refer to the spiritual cleansing and circumcism of the beliver by the Holy Spirit that occurs when one is born again. I believe we receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again...and that it is not a separate event. It was seen as a separate event in the very beginning of the church, but that doesn't appear to have continued.
Also, not everyone who received the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues.

 

[Koey]

...because every time (that I know of, and that's several) in the Bible, the people baptized in the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues. Can you give me your opinion. Just Wondering.

Actually, there are a few times in the Bible where a tongues experience was given by the Holy Spirit when people were described as "full" of the Holy Spirit. However, at other times, other experiences were given. I think we overemphasize tongues, almost to the point of idolatry. Jesus said that an evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign, so what do we do? We seek a sign. How silly we are! Notice:

Exodus 31:3 ...filled him with the Spirit of God in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship
Exodus 35:31 ...wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship

Luke 1:15 ...filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother's womb.

Luke 1:41-42 ...Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed among women are you, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!

Luke 1:67-68 ...Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied…

Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led about by the Spirit in the wilderness

Acts 2:4 ...began to speak with other tongues...

Acts 4:31 ...filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

Acts 9:17-18 ...so that you may regain your sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit." And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he arose and was baptized;

Acts 13:52 ...continually filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:18-19 ...filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord

 

[Andyman_1970]

So John was still a prophet...just not the Prophet of Deuteronomy.

So even though John himself denies he is a prophet he still was one?

I agree he had a prophetic message, that is for sure. Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't all/most of the OT prophets perfrom miracles? I don't think John did. Anyway, I'm not trying to be arguementative.

 

[FreeinChrist]

So even though John himself denies he is a prophet he still was one?

John denied that he was THE Prophet, not that he was a prophet. The OT prophecy about the Prophet in Deuteronomy was in regards to the Messiah himself as the Prophet.

I agree he had a prophetic message, that is for sure. Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't all/most of the OT prophets perfrom miracles? I don't think John did. Anyway, I'm not trying to be arguementative.

Some OT prophets did when directed to by God, but some did not. Jonah didn't perform a miracle that I know of, or Hosea, or Isaiah.