The truth about physical attraction.

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Reason from having a homosexual nature to having sex with other homosexuals as not being wrong in the eyes of God -> Homosexuality is not a sin, and bingo

 

[Celticflower]

I had a thought that the op's "truth" fails to address. If homosexuality is cused by a disconnect between the eye and the brain (trying to boil his long winded idea down a bit, I know) then how do you explain blind gays?

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Haha! One of the best counter-argument's i've heard in a long time - short, sharp and devastating. Good work!

I had a thought that the op's "truth" fails to address. If homosexuality is cused by a disconnect between the eye and the brain (trying to boil his long winded idea down a bit, I know) then how do you explain blind gays?

 

[UberLutheran]

I guess by your definition all bible beliving Christians are homophobes.

I'm a Bible-believing Christian and I'm not a homophobe.

I just happen to believe the Bible isn't (and doesn't need to be) literally read, literally infallible, or literally inerrant.

 

[SallyNow]

The Mayo Clinic disagrees with the idea that phantom pain is purely psychological.

The APA is also reporting that is all more complicated than presented in the OP, shaking the foundations of the argument right to the ground level.

I'm a Bible-believing Christian and I'm not a homophobe.

I just happen to believe the Bible isn't (and doesn't need to be) literally read, literally infallible, or literally inerrant.

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Science? lol ;;

The Mayo Clinic disagrees with the idea that phantom pain is purely psychological.

The APA is also reporting that is all more complicated than presented in the OP, shaking the foundations of the argument right to the ground level.

 

[goldenrule]

For starters, let me say, I take Christ's words more seriously in the gospel then I would take Paul's words. After all if you equal anyones wisdom with his it is false. Christ never mentioned homosexuality. Remember, judge not, or you will be judged. Remember how Satan twisted the scripture to have Christ tempt God put Christ refused. Scripture can be interpreted incorrectly by many just as the Jews in Christ's day thought the Messiah would be authoritive as in the 2nd psalm, but it was actually the 22nd psalm which refered to him. There was no distinction of Satan before Christ except in Job when he tempted God to do things to Job to test his faith. This reminds me of "the fiery red dragon who accuses us before our God day and night" spoken of in 'Revelation'.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head.

OK, I agree with you to here... but then I don't understand how your logic train leaps from "conscious awareness being dependant on external sensory perception and its pathways to the brain" to

That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

seems a total non sequitor to me. Can you explain it better?

 

[david_x]

I had a thought that the op's "truth" fails to address. If homosexuality is cused by a disconnect between the eye and the brain (trying to boil his long winded idea down a bit, I know) then how do you explain blind gays?

Blind people can still be aware, eyes are just the most well developed sence in healthy people.

As far as this issue goes, there will always be people who try to explain sin as mental illnesses. The truth is that sin can be overcome. Homosexuality can be overcome mental illness can not be as easily overturned.

 

[Brieuse]

Blind people can still be aware, eyes are just the most well developed sence in healthy people.

As far as this issue goes, there will always be people who try to explain sin as mental illnesses. The truth is that sin can be overcome. Homosexuality can be overcome mental illness can not be as easily overturned.

Please, every report I've read over overcoming homosexuality says the opposite. If God had wanted me to be str8, he would have done it. Beating on pillows with tennis rackets is not going to make somebody less gay. Sometimes I feel like using a tennis racket on those people that advocate that rubbish.

My behavior is more straight than most of you people. I'm an engineer, I work with my hands all the time. I am busy rebuilding an old car to race. I don't watch gymnastics or dancing.

You guys can carry on reading your gay con scriptures and believe what you like. I'm free from those lies. I know that God loves me how I am, because he made me that way. I pray everyday for a loving partner, and I know he's going to provide me one.

The truth about physical attraction is that it is not as simple as receptacles in the eyes. It is very complex, and only God truly understands it. Scientists are making incredible breakthroughs through years of studies and research, but they've only exposed 0.1% of the workings, in my opinion.

 

[SallyNow]

Blind people can still be aware, eyes are just the most well developed sence in healthy people.

As far as this issue goes, there will always be people who try to explain sin as mental illnesses. The truth is that sin can be overcome. Homosexuality can be overcome mental illness can not be as easily overturned.

A lot of people don't understand mental illnesses, and they don't want to listen to explainations, so they label it "sin".

As it goes, homosexualty isn't a mental illness, and while evidence is clear that homosexualty was condemned in the Old Testament, it is not so clear cut in the New Testament when one takes into account the cultural and language barriers of translating Biblical-era manuscripts.

As it stands, there is no medical evidence that homosexuality is bad, nor that it can be changed into heterosexuality. Yes, some people are bisexual and do have people they romantically love of either gender, but they do not, by any account, "switch" sexualities, nor do they "overcome" one sexuality for another.

http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

This is the most laughable thing i've yet witnessed on these forums

Blind people can still be aware, eyes are just the most well developed sence in healthy people.

As far as this issue goes, there will always be people who try to explain sin as mental illnesses. The truth is that sin can be overcome. Homosexuality can be overcome mental illness can not be as easily overturned.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I guess by your definition all bible beliving Christians are homophobes.

not all bible believing Christians express hate towards a minority. Not all bible believing Christians justify prejudice and discrimination.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.

Again….the old if one cannot justify hate any other way then falsely compare an entire minority to pedophilia or other sex fiend ploy

This ploy was popular with racists who loved to suggest that black men were only interested in raping white women. it operates on the same level of logic and honesty

 

[BigBadWlf]

This whole forum is deabte on why homosexuality i9s wrong, why should I have to go into that ?

perhaps you should start with presenting a defensible argument as to why hate and bigotry are morally acceptable…as you have to justify these before moving on to attacking an entire minority

 

[ReformedChapin]

Again….the old if one cannot justify hate any other way then falsely compare an entire minority to pedophilia or other sex fiend ploy

This ploy was popular with racists who loved to suggest that black men were only interested in raping white women. it operates on the same level of logic and honesty

perhaps you should start with presenting a defensible argument as to why hate and bigotry are morally acceptable…as you have to justify these before moving on to attacking an entire minority

There is no hate your labes lead to misconceptions as rhetoric tactics.

 

[gwdboi]

You have seen those movies and TV shows about how some person has a leg amputed and does not realize it because they can still feel the missing leg ?

That is because all physical pain is in your head. The nerves send messages to the brain and the brain tells you to experince pain. There is not really any pain at all. It is just a figment of consciousness.

The same with sexual attraction, it is not physical. When you see an object, you are not even seeing the object, but an image of it sent to your brain. Your brain interprets it.

So, if you claim that you are same sex attracted, that attraction comes from an image projected on the surface of your eyeball and then sent chemically into the brain where an image is formed and then interpreted objectively by your brain. It is all in your head. That means there is something mentally wrong with you if you are a homosexual.

You need to be like the amputee and learn how to walk on crutches, because if you do not you will always stumble and fall.

Unlike the amputee, you can grow your tail back like the lizard, and be cured or consciously reject your homsexuality.

I hope this helps.

Hmmm...


There are many problems with this argument. First off, the essence of existence is called into question, an epistemological debate that has been waging for hundreds of years. If you say that things only exist within our own minds and that things that exist within our minds do not exist at all you are essentially saying that nothing exists since our perceptions are our only way of observing reality. Also, a connection is not established between physical pain and erotic desire and therefore the conclusions made about physical pain do not apply to erotic desires based on your argument. Finally, the last conclusion that homosexuals are mentally ill is not supported anywhere within your argument. And, following your line of reasoning, mental disorders would not exist anyway since they exist within one's mind and you state that things that exist only within one's mind do not in fact exist at all.

 

[david_x]

Please, every report I've read over overcoming homosexuality says the opposite. If God had wanted me to be str8, he would have done it. Beating on pillows with tennis rackets is not going to make somebody less gay. Sometimes I feel like using a tennis racket on those people that advocate that rubbish.

My behavior is more straight than most of you people. I'm an engineer, I work with my hands all the time. I am busy rebuilding an old car to race. I don't watch gymnastics or dancing.

You guys can carry on reading your gay con scriptures and believe what you like. I'm free from those lies. I know that God loves me how I am, because he made me that way. I pray everyday for a loving partner, and I know he's going to provide me one.

The truth about physical attraction is that it is not as simple as receptacles in the eyes. It is very complex, and only God truly understands it. Scientists are making incredible breakthroughs through years of studies and research, but they've only exposed 0.1% of the workings, in my opinion.

As it stands, there is no medical evidence that homosexuality is bad, nor that it can be changed into heterosexuality. Yes, some people are bisexual and do have people they romantically love of either gender, but they do not, by any account, "switch" sexualities, nor do they "overcome" one sexuality for another.

This is the most laughable thing i've yet witnessed on these forums

I am sorry for you all. You have bought into a lie. Look deep inside, you can find the truth. No one will ever define me that way, i will not let them.

I am a toad.

 

[SallyNow]

I am sorry for you all. You have bought into a lie. Look deep inside, you can find the truth. No one will ever define me that way, i will not let them.

I am a toad.

You are sorry that I can properly research a subject? Um, okay.

Why is there is such a anti-academic streak in threads such as these? Had you qouted my full post, you would have seen reliable medical links.

 

[Beccs]

Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.

My body belongs to me. If it was a gift from god then why did he give me free will to use it as I will? Why not just make me a mindless automaton?

ANd define abuse please. Abuse can include drinking, eating to excess, not exercising, etc. Are you telling people that these are abusing god as well?

Just because people support homosexuality DOESN'T mean they support pedophilia. Homosexuality is a lifestyle people chose, or feel compelled to take. Pedophilia is preying sexually on innocent children. I hope you can spot that subtle difference?