The Truth about Islam

[LittleLambofJesus]

5:109
On the Day of Resurrection when Allah gathers the Rasools and asks: "What response were you given from your addressees?" They will say: "We have no knowledge, only You have all the knowledge of the unseen."

Yep.

reve 6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Reve 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works,

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Yep.

2:130
Who but a foolish man would renounce the faith of Ibrahim? We chose him in this worldly life while in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

2:131
When his Rabb asked him: "Be a Muslim," he answered: "I have become a Muslim to the Rabb of the worlds."

2:132
This was the legacy that Ibrahim left to his sons and so did Ya'qoob (Jacob), when he said: "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you this Deen (way of life), therefore, die not unless you are Muslims."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

5:109
On the Day of Resurrection when Allah gathers the Rasools and asks: "What response were you given from your addressees?" They will say: "We have no knowledge, only You have all the knowledge of the unseen."

Yep.

reve 6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Reve 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works,

2:131

When his Rabb asked him: "Be a Muslim," he answered: "I have become a Muslim to the Rabb of the worlds."

Sorry, here is my "Rabb"

http://www.christianforums.com/t3888128-question-for-muslims-on-ishmael-and-paul.html

Mark 9:7 And a cloud became and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is the Son of Me, the Beloved, HEAR YE HIM!!!

 

[TrevorKamal]

There's way too much religious pride going on in this thread. None of us knows exactly what was said or exactly what was meant in many of the religious scriptures of Christianity or Islam. God is perfect. His Messengers and Their teachings were perfect. The religions, as we know them now, that are based on these teachings are FAR from perfect because they are interpreted and maintained by FALLIBLE MEN.

No one can judge the use of violence by Muhammad without taking the land and the people into context. Muhammad was dealing with a cruel and barbaric people beyond the likes of anything that was going on in or around Israel at the time of Christ. NOTHING but force used with justice and wisdom could chasten the people of Arabia at that time.

Regarding the islamic view of the crucifixion, I have never seen anything authoritative saying that it PHYSICALLY never happened unless it was simply one respected Muslim's interpretation. If a Muslim who knows the Qur'an and the Sunnah better than I do could quote something concrete from Muhammad to that effect I would appreciate it. The only similar thing I know of I always read to mean that they tried to kill His and His followers' spirits by crucifying him but they failed.

 

[Snowbunny]

beyond the likes of anything that was going on in or around Israel at the time of Christ.

Jesus and most of the disciples were crucified by the Romans and for the first two centuries of christianity we were fed to lions, sold into slavery and killed for sport... i dont think your statement is necessarily accurate...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by TrevorKamal
beyond the likes of anything that was going on in or around Israel at the time of Christ.

Jesus and most of the disciples were crucified by the Romans and for the first two centuries of christianity we were fed to lions, sold into slavery and killed for sport... i dont think your statement is necessarily accurate...

Don't forget, the apostate Jewish rulers didn't help out much either.

The word used for "pierced" in revelation is different than the one used for the roman spearing.

John 19:15 But they cried out, "Away with [Him,] away with [Him!] Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!"

Reve 1: 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who "pierced" Him. And all the Tribes of the Land will mourn/wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

 

[Ryal Kane]

You can pretty much guarantee that any thread titled
"The Truth about Islam" sure isn't going to be the truth about Islam.

I'm reading a very interesting book about the history of Islam at the moment. Even at the height of his power, Mohammad had no trouble co-existing with Christians and Jew. Polytheists were forbidden though.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You can pretty much guarantee that any thread titled
"The Truth about Islam" sure isn't going to be the truth about Islam.

I'm reading a very interesting book about the history of Islam at the moment. Even at the height of his power, Mohammad had no trouble co-existing with Christians and Jew. Polytheists were forbidden though.

That is ok, but the Bible is a history of falling and redemption.

Luke 2:4 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this [Child] is destined for the Falling and Resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against [Ezekiel 37 "Valley of the Bones]

Not to be confused with the Koran and its commentary on our own Bible. Peace

 

[TrevorKamal]

Jesus and most of the disciples were crucified by the Romans and for the first two centuries of christianity we were fed to lions, sold into slavery and killed for sport... i dont think your statement is necessarily accurate...

Yeah, but that's different in the sense that it's a deliberately cruel punishment designed to set an example. The day to day life of the general populace was what I was talking about and it was MUCH worse in the isolated Arabia of Muhammad's day. They were constantly invovled in savage tribal blood feuds, burried their female babies alive, ate and drank the body parts and blood of their fallen enemies on the battlefield (even the women), tied a man's camel to his grave so it would die of thirst. These are just a few off the top of my head. You should read about it some time. It will give you a new understanding of the violence in the Qur'an.

 

[kawara]

the most important thing is:

Search for the truth, the one and only God

For deep thinking:
God never discharge any waste matter from the body(urine, toxic etc) but Muhammad and Jesus(PBUT)?? Only Human... Animal discharge waste??

I want Quality God not A weak God, Not a Hungry God or whatever weakness...

I dont care about all these thread as long as i know what should I believe most.. The Only One God, The Allknoweth etc...

 

[Jadis40]

What God's law is that?. Don't you know about the jews and christians lived peacefully under Islamic regime?..

I guess they conveniently forgot these facts of history, found on the Assyrian International News Agency website, here:

http://www.aina.org/martyr.html#650

[SIZE=+1]686-701 A.D.[/SIZE]
During the Patriarchate of Mar Khnanishu I, the Caliph Abd al-Malik imprisons and tortures the Patriarch and places another bishop in his place. Abd al-Malik was the first to insist on the collection of the poll tax from the Christians.

[SIZE=+1]737 A.D.[/SIZE]
The Caliph Mahdi decrees that all churches built since the Muslim conquest be destroyed. Over 5000 Christians from Halab were forced to accept Islam or death.

[SIZE=+1]1014 A.D.[/SIZE]
During the reign of Caliph Qadir, the Muslims sacked the houses of the Christians in Baghdad, and destroyed and burned down many of their churches. The Caliph, at the same time, destroyed the church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, and other churches in the same city. The Caliph ordered the town criers or heralds in each place to announce that, according to the will of the ruler, all his subjects should embrace his religion. The Christians and the Jews who did so should be rewarded; if they resisted, and did not change their religion, they should be punished. They were not allowed to have rings on their right hand, nor ride on a horse (only on donkeys). If they disregarded the order, their whole property was forfeited to the state, and they were expelled from the country. Many Christians emigrated to the Roman territory, others embraced Islam, but a great number remained and defied the ordinance. They wore crosses of gold and silver around their neck to show their religion. The Caliph ordered that every Christian who wore a cross of gold or silver should have it exchanged for a wooden one, weighing 4 pounds. If they resisted, they should be put to death.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dialogue With the Yathribians

In 622 Muhammad left Mecca for Yathrib. When he reached Yathrib and stopped at Quba, a man came rushing into the city, calling out to people and announcing the arrival of the Prophet. At that moment, I was at the top of a palm tree doing some work. My aunt, Khalidah bint al-Harith, was sitting under the tree. On hearing the news, I shouted:

'Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!' When my aunt heard my takbir, she remonstrated with me: 'May God frustrate you...By God, if you had heard that Moses was coming you would not have been more enthusiastic.' 'Auntie, he is really, by God, the brother of Moses and follows his religion. He was sent with the same mission as Moses.' She was silent for a while and then said: 'Is he the Prophet about whom you spoke to us who would be sent to confirm the truth preached by previous (Prophets) and complete the message of his Lord?' 'Yes,' I replied. Without any delay or hesitation, I went out to meet the Prophet. I saw crowds of people at his door. I moved about in the crowds until I reached close to him. The first words I heard him say were:

'O people! Spread peace...Share food...Pray during the night while people sleep... and you will enter Paradise in peace...' I looked at him closely. I scrutinized him and was convinced that his face was not that of an imposter. I went closer to him and made the declaration of faith that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

The Prophet turned to me and asked: 'What is your name?' 'Al-Husayn ibn Sailam,' I replied.

'Instead, it is (now) Abdullah ibn Sallam,' he said (giving me a new name). 'Yes,' I agreed. 'Abdullah ibn Sailam (it shall be). By Him who has sent you with the Truth, I do not wish to have another name after this day.' I returned home and introduced Islam to my wife, my children and the rest of my household. They all accepted Islam including my aunt KhaIidah who was then an old lady. However, I advised them then to conceal our acceptance of Islam from the Jews until I gave them permission. They agreed.

Subsequently, I went back to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of God! The Jews are a people (inclined to) slander and falsehood. I want you to invite their most prominent men to meet you. (During the meeting however), you should keep me concealed from them in one of your rooms. Ask them then about my status among them before they find out of my acceptance of Islam. Then invite them to Islam. If they were to know that I have become a Muslim, they would denounce me and accuse me of everything base and slander me.' The Prophet kept me in one of his rooms and invited the prominent Jewish personalities to visit him. He introduced Islam to them and urged them to have faith in God...They began to dispute and argue with him about the Truth. When he realized that they were not inclined to accept Islam, he put the question to them:

'What is the status of Al-Husayn ibn Sailam among you?' 'He is our sayyid (leader) and the son of our sayyid. He is our rabbi and our alim (scholar), the son of our rabbi and alim.' 'If you come to know that he has accepted Islam, would you accept Islam also?' asked the Prophet. 'God forbid! He would not accept Islam. May God protect him from accepting Islam,' they said (horrified). At this point I came out in full view of them and announced:

'O assembly of Jews! Be conscious of God and accept what Muhammad has brought. By God, you certainly know that he is the Messenger of God and you can find prophecies about him and mention of his name and characteristics in your Torah. I for my part declare that he is the Messenger of God. I have faith in him and believe that he is true. I know him.' 'You are a liar,' they shouted. 'By God, you are evil and ignorant, the son of an evil and ignorant person.' And they continued to heap every conceivable abuse on me..." Abdullah ibn Sailam was passionately devoted to the Quran and spent much time reciting and studying its verses. He was deeply attached to Muhammad and was constantly in his company. Much of his time he spent in the masjid, engaged in worship, in learning and in teaching. He was known for his sweet, moving and effective way of teaching study circles of Sahabah who assembled regularly in the Prophet's mosque. Abdullah ibn Sallam was known among the Sahabah as a man from ahl-al-Jannah "the people of Paradise."

http://www.christianforums.com/t3006763-why-jews-cannot-accept-isa-pbuh-as-a-prophet.html
why-jews-cannot-accept-isa-pbuh-as-a-prophet

 

[français]

muslims call themselves "the religion of peace." hah, yeah right!!

 

[skullcrush]

Let's see:

Christians kill, Muslims kill, Buddhists kill, Jews kill, Hindus kill, Atheists kill, Agnostics kill, Wiccans kill.


I'm not sure why one group seems to be more violent than the other.

 

[français]

hmm.. pakistan used to be 25% muslim.. hindu's were killed.. now it's like 1.6%.. bangledish.. 1.5 million hindu's misssing. christians.. thousands had to leave lebanon. 9/11... in russia, hundreds of school children killed.. it's horrible!

 

[TrevorKamal]

muslims call themselves "the religion of peace." hah, yeah right!!

Are you talking about 1) Muhammad and His teachings, 2)those teachings as they are interpreted by the MAJORITY of muslims today, or 3)the violent extremists who use certain teachings out of context as an excuse to act out their hatred?

This is an extremely important distinction.

 

[français]

excuse my error earlier.. pakistan used to be 25% Hindu.. but they were all killed off by muslim extremists.

i think if you read mohammeds teachings, you will s*it in your pants. he calls for killing non muslims, and when there are muslim countries they are to fight non muslim countries, and the only way for them to call TEMPORARY peace is if you pay a price.

and those the teachings used by the majority are disgusting. on the homosexuality forum, if you read what some of these muslims think.. they really bring out their true colors. and their rudeness, and it's just disgusting.

 

[Snowbunny]

The grass is always bloodier on the other side....

muslims call themselves "the religion of peace." hah, yeah right!!

This is kind of what i was trying to avoid when i was talking about islamic spain before... its just not that simple as "the Muslims came and were violent" because they also did very good things for Spain... i think that is the case with most places they conquered, a lot of good things at a terrible price... kind of a bittersweet presence...

anyway, we cannot blaim islam or muslims today for past imperialism... its a sad fact about religion that very few are willing to die for what they believe, but many are willing to kill for it... you cant blaim the belief or other perfectly peaceful people who believe in that belief too...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are you talking about 1) Muhammad and His teachings, 2)those teachings as they are interpreted by the MAJORITY muslims today, or 3)the violent extremists who use certain teachings out of context as an excuse to act out their hatred?

This is an extremely important distinction.

They all need Jesus.

Zephaniah 3:15 The LORD has taken away your judgments, He has cast out your enemy. The King of Israel, the LORD, [is] in your midst; You shall see disaster no more

Revelation 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous [are] Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true [are] Your ways, O King of the saints!

 

[Snowbunny]

i think if you read mohammeds teachings, you will s*it in your pants. he calls for killing non muslims, and when there are muslim countries they are to fight non muslim countries, and the only way for them to call TEMPORARY peace is if you pay a price.

Thats not true... I read the quran there are two and only two messages in it, that there is One God and you are supposed to depend on him only and worship him only and submit to him only, and the second message is that Mohammed is his last Prophet... its not anything more complicated than that, Islam has two great strengths, its simplicity and the discipline it requires...

The quran has violent passages certainly but they have contexts...