The Truth About Islam

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Remember the Living God wants us all to come to know him. Even those who have been left out of the blessing can return to the Grace and Mercy of Christ. The fallen ones are using all of us to fight amongst ourselves so when they rise from the oceans in Rev. 13 we will be easy pickings for them to conquer.

There may be alot to read and digest but its all the facts according to Dr. David R. Reagan : http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php
An Historical Perspective on Islam

Let’s begin our consideration of these questions with some historical background.

Muhammad, the man who dictated the Koran and gave birth to Islam, was born in Mecca in the Saudi Arabian peninsula in 570 A.D. His father died before he was born, and his mother died when he was six years old. He was raised first by a grand­father and later by an uncle.

Muhammad was illiterate throughout his life. Until the age of 25 he worked in caravans. During his extensive travels, he encountered many Christians and Jews. Through his conversations with them, he picked up bits and pieces of both Judaism and Christianity.

His life was radically changed at age 25 when he met a wealthy widow 40 years old who fell in love with him. Their marriage enabled Muhammad to live a life of leisure from that point on.

Muhammad’s Call

Fifteen years after his marriage, at age 40, Muhammad had a visitation from a spirit. Supposedly, this spirit told him that he was called of God to be a “prophet” and an “apostle.” It is in­teresting to note that there was no tradition in Arabian religions of either prophets or apostles. These terms were obviously used by Muhammad to appeal to Jews and Christians.

Muhammad continued to have spirit visitations. They would throw him into a trance, and his utterances during the trances were written down by scribes. These ethereal statements became the Koran, but they were not compiled until after Muhammad’s death. When the compilation was made, the utterances were not organized either chronologically or by subject matter. The result was a jumble of disorganized and often incoherent sayings which are frequently contradictory.

For example, the Koran1 gives four conflicting accounts of Muhammad’s call to be a prophet [the word, Sura, means chapter]:
  1. Suras 53 and 81 — God, or Allah as he is called in Arabic, personally appeared to Muhammad.
  2. Suras 16 and 26 — The call was from the Holy Spirit.
  3. Sura 15 — Angels issued the call.
  4. Sura 2 — Gabriel was the one who appeared to him.
Muhammad’s Revelations

At the time Muhammad received his initial visitation, there were over 300 gods being worshiped in Mecca by pilgrims who came there each year to pray at the Ka’aba, a small cubic building that housed a black meteorite and effigies of the various gods. One of those gods was Allah, the moon god.

Muhammad decided to proclaim that there was only one god — and he selected Allah as that god. That’s the reason the crescent moon became the symbol of Islam. Muhammad also proclaimed that he was the prophet of Allah.

Initially, Muhammad expected both Jews and Christians to receive his new revelation. Thus, early passages in the Koran speak admiringly of “the people of the Book.” These are the passages that Muslims in the West love to quote in their effort to prove that Islam is a tolerant religion. An example is Sura 5:82 which says, “You will find that those who are nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] are those who say, ‘We are Christians.’”

Muhammad’s Rejection

But when Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad, he turned fiercely against them, and later passages in the Koran speak of them disparagingly:
  • Sura 5:51 commands Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as friends.
  • Sura 9:29 commands Muslims to fight against Jews and Christians until they either submit to Allah or else agree to pay a special tax.
  • Sura 2:65-66 and Sura 5:60 contain references to Jews as “apes and swine to be despised and rejected.” (Think of that! You can be sure that such a statement did not come from the true God of this universe who selected the Jews to be His Chosen People.)
Jews and Christians were not the only ones who rejected Muhammad’s new revelations. The people of his own tribe, the Quraysh, also rejected him. In response, Muhammad succumbed to the temptation to appease his tribe by announcing that it would be okay for them to worship the three daughters of Allah — named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Ma­nat.

This declaration led to the infamous “Satanic verses” of the Koran which were later deleted when Muhammad reverted back to monotheism. Muslims have tried ever since to cover-up this diversion from the faith. You may remember that in 1989 an Indian writer by the name of Salman Rushdie brought up this taboo topic when he wrote a novel entitled, The Satanic Verses. The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran condemned him and called for his assassination. A three million dollar bounty was placed on his head, and he has been in hiding ever since.

Muhammad’s Trek

The opposition to Muhammad in his home town of Mecca continued to grow until he was forced to flee 250 miles to Medina where his message was received. The Islamic calendar dates from this year when Muhammad fled to Medina and found a receptive audience, resulting in the formal establishment of Islam as a religion. It was the year 622 A.D., and that date represents year one of the Muslim calendar, which is a lunar calendar. The year 2001 is the year 1422 in the Muslim dating system.

After the death of his wife, Muhammad married at least 11 other women (some sources place the total as high as 16). He also took several concubines. He married one girl who was only six years old and had sexual relations with her when she was 9.2 According to the Koran, only the prophet could have unlimited wives. All other Muslim men are limited to four (Sura 4:3).

Muhammad died on June 8, 632 A.D. in Medina at age 63. He left no successor, and Islam soon broke into warring sects such as the Shiites and the Sunnis.

The Spread of Islam

All of those who survived Muhammad took up the sword, as directed by the Koran, and devoted themselves to advancing Islam through military might. The resulting spread of the religion was phenomenal. Within a century, Islamic forces had conquered Saudi Arabia, the entire Middle East, Central Asia, and large parts of India. The armies raged through Egypt and across North Africa, destroying corrupt Byzantine Christianity in their path.

In 710 A.D.3 the Islamic armies crossed the Straits of Gibral­tar and quickly conquered three-fourths of Spain and Portugal. They then invaded France and took one-third of the nation. They were 125 miles from Paris when they were miraculously defeated at the Battle of Poitiers (also known as the Battle of Tours) in 732 A.D. by a French army led by Charles Martel. Their influence in Spain lived on for a few more centuries before they were slowly driven back to North Africa.

A second powerful attempt to subjugate all of Europe was made 900 years later in the 17th Century when the Turks began to expand their Ottoman Empire. They took Greece, Yugosla­via, Bulgaria, and parts of Romania and Hungary. By 1683 they had reached the gates of Vienna where once again the Western forces won a miraculous victory against overwhelming odds.


Following this second attempt to conquer Europe, Islam fell into a state of depression and stagnation until it was awakened in the 20th Century due to several factors:
  1. The Amassing of Great Wealth — due to the discovery of vast reservoirs of oil in Arab lands.
  2. The Re-establishment of the Nation of Israel — interpreted by Islamic clerics like Khomeini as a judgment of Allah due to Islamic stagnation and apostasy.
  3. The Positioning of U.S. Armed Forces — the placement during the 1990's of American troops throughout the Middle East in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
  4. The Encroachment of Western Culture into the Muslim World — due to the penetration of Western movies, television programs, and consumer goods.
The Cultural Nature of Islam

The encroachment of Western culture cannot be stressed too much. It seems trivial to most Westerners, but that is because of the failure to understand that Islam is a cultural religion that deifies 7th Century Arabian culture.4

Westerners tend to view religion as something intensely personal and private, and not as a cultural phenomenon. For example, Christianity is “supra-cultural” in that it allows people to live, dress and eat in accordance with the culture in which they exist. This is not so with Islam. In Islam there is no “secular realm” that is free of religion. Islam regulates every aspect of life to the point that religion, politics, and culture are inseparable. Islam is thus fueled by a subtle form of racism in which 7th Century Arab culture is to be imposed upon all other cultures.

Here are some examples of the cultural nature of Islam:

Political Structure — The tribalism of 7th Century Arabia is the political structure sanctioned by the Koran. The chief has absolute authority. There is no concept of civil rights. This principle is reflected today in the reality that all Islamic countries are ruled by dictators, and civil liberties, like freedom of speech and religion, do not exist.

Prayer — A Muslim is required to pray five times a day toward Mecca. This is a symbol of the underlying cultural imperialism that lies at the heart of Islam. Think of it — what if all Russian Orthodox throughout the world were required to pray toward Moscow? Or, if all Roman Catholics were required to face Rome when they prayed? What if Evangelical Christians were required to pray toward Jerusalem? Such requirements would imply a cultural attachment to the focal point of prayer.

Pilgrimage — A Muslim is required, despite the hardship and cost, to make a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia once in his lifetime. Again, what if all Christians were required to go to Rome once in their lifetimes?

Dietary Laws — The only foods allowable are those that were acceptable in 7th Century Arabia.

Women — What an illiterate, nomadic tribeswoman wore in the desert in 7th Century Arabia is what is mandated for Muslim women today. The plight of women in Islamic countries today is despicable. They can be kept prisoners in their homes. They cannot appear in public without a covering. They are usually denied the right to vote. They are often denied anything more than a rudimentary education. In strict Islamic countries, women are generally treated as sub-human.5 Sura 4:34 says, “Men are the managers of the affairs of women . . . Those women who are rebellious — admonish them, banish them to their couches, and beat them.”

Punishment — Cruel and unusual punishment is practiced throughout the Islamic world. Incarceration without due process is common. Punishments often include torture, the cutting off of body parts (hands, ears and tongues), the gouging out of eyes, beheading, and public flogging — all representative of 7th Century Arabian culture. The Koran specifically commands that those who disobey Allah are to be tortured (Sura 8:12-14).

Time magazine recently presented a chilling summary of the cultural nature of Islam as it is evidenced in the “moderate” Islamic nation of Saudi Arabia:6


Despite the modernization that took place after the discovery of oil reserves in 1938, Saudi Arabia remains a land where rigid religious and traditional values are strictly enforced. Cinemas and discos are outlawed; men and women are separated in banks, schools, and fast-food restaurants; women must wear veils and are forbidden to drive. Public decency police known as muttawa comb shopping malls searching for women whose loose scarves reveal a curl of hair and forcing store owners to shut during prayer times. Unforgiving Saudi jus­tice is on view after the main prayer every Friday, when a swordsman beheads blindfolded murderers, sorcerers, drug smugglers, and other criminals in Riyadh’s “Chop-chop Square.”



The Spiritual Nature of Islam


Islam is a typical works salvation religion centered around a false god. Its fundamental tenets deny the heart of the Christian Gospel, revealing its demonic origin.

The Koran — As I have already pointed out, the holy book of Islam is riddled with contradictions. Consider, for example, what it says about creation. In one place it asserts that Allah created everything in “the twinkling of an eye” (Sura 54:49-50). Elsewhere it says that the time period of the creation was two days (Sura 41:9, 12); four days (Sura 41:10); six days (Suras 7:54, 10:4, and 32:4); in “a day equaling 1,000 years” (Sura 32:5); and also in “50,000 years” (Sura 70:4). That’s a total of six different time periods!

The Koran contains many scientific errors. A crude example is found in Sura 18:8-86 where it says that Alexander the Great followed the setting of the sun and discovered that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring!

Many Arabian fairy tales about genies are contained in the Koran, and the book is also full of historical errors. It presents Mary the mother of Jesus as the sister of Moses and Aaron (obviously confusing her with their sister, Miriam). The Noahic flood is placed in the time of Moses, and the claim is made that one of Noah’s sons refused to enter the Ark and was drowned.

The Koran also pictures Abraham as offering Ishmael as a sacrifice in Mecca, whereas the biblical account has Abraham offering Isaac on Mt. Moriah in the area that would later become the heart of Jerusalem.

God — The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40). Allah is unknow­able whereas the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171): “Believe in Allah and say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.”

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love — which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16).

Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).

Sin — There is no concept of sin in Islam and therefore no need for forgiveness. Shame replaces sin. Everything is a matter of honor verses dishonor.9 In the Muslim view, man does not need redemption, he only needs some guidance so that he might develop the inherently pure nature with which the Creator has endowed him. If he will be faithful in his prayers, almsgiving and fasting, God is likely to overlook his failures and usher him into Paradise.10

Ethics — The situation determines the appropriate action, not a standard of right and wrong. As an example, Al Ghazzali (1058 - 1111), one of the greatest Muslim theologians, wrote: “Know that a lie is not wrong in itself. If a lie is the only way of obtaining a good result, it is permissible. We must lie when truth leads to unplea­sant results.”11 The Koran sanctions revenge: “If anyone transgresses . . . against you, transgress likewise against him” (Sura 2:194).

Salvation — Islam is a religion of works. One obtains favor with Allah by performing the five pillars of the faith:
  • Reciting the creed that there is one god, Allah, and his prophet is Muhammad.
  • Praying five times a day toward Mecca.
  • Giving alms to the poor.
  • Fasting from sunrise to sunset one month a year during the month of Ramadan.
  • Making a pilgrimage to Mecca.
Another way to reach Paradise is to die fighting for Allah (Sura 3:157).

Islam is so works oriented that it teaches that good deeds cancel bad ones (Sura 11:114). In contrast to all this emphasis on works, the true Word of God teaches that it is impossible to earn salvation because it is a gift of God’s grace that is received through faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior (Ephesians 2:8-10).

Heaven — The Islamic Paradise is a place of sensual pleasure consisting of gluttonous feasts and endless sex orgies (Suras 52:17-24; 55:54-56; and 78:32-34).

The Intolerant and Militant Nature of Islam

One of the most controversial issues regarding Islam concerns whether or not it is a militant religion. Muslims in the West argue it is peace-loving. Westerners who have experienced it in the Muslim world argue it is inherently in­tolerant and militant.

The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: “Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . . But keep your duty to Allah” (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 — “[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.”

The Koran also expresses an intolerant attitude toward any person who decides to reject the Islamic faith or convert to another religion. Such persons are to be executed (Sura 9:12). In the Hadith (the oral tradition of Muhammad’s sayings) it says “Whoever changes his religion, kill him” (Hadith 9:57). These commands are practiced in all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

With regard to militancy, the Koran not only condones it, it commands it:


Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:216).


Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).


Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood in the cause of Allah — a night spent in arms [war] — is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer. Whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment, his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim.”12
 
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The source of this article is I believe a Dr. David R. Reagan who is a Christian evangelist...

All I can say is it reveals the point of view of some Christian evangelicals and reflects their bias about Islam and is sadly a commonly held belief among many Christians who post here.

- Art
 
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Arthra said:
The source of this article is I believe a Dr. David R. Reagan who is a Christian evangelist...

All I can say is it reveals the point of view of some Christian evangelicals and reflects their bias about Islam and is sadly a commonly held belief among many Christians who post here.

- Art

Yes exactly the link is: http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php
Now you can try to twist Dr. Reagan anyway you wish but go compare the Sura chapters with the Christian Scripture and the facts don't lie. I could see if he wrote this article but didn't include the Scripture and Sura to back up his claims but he does. That's why Muslims use words like bias etc. etc. etc. because the facts don't lie and they have nothing to back up another story. One excuse I find that Muslims have is the English interpretation isn't the same as those in Aramic/arabic. That the way I see it written isn't what Islam really means by it? Oh give me a break how much different in meaning can what I have posted in this thread from the sura in English be different in another language? LOL Excuses! Excuses! Excuses!!!
Like I said in my first post to this thread Its not my job to judge Mohammed but I can't support a "prophet" who doesn't believe in The Trinity and dealt out further punishment for women when the God of Christ already passed judgement on her at the Fall of The Garden of Eden. Muslims don't except Christian Doctrine: No Trinity because Christ has no Father therefore He can't be part of a Trinity. That Christ is not the Son of God but just a gifted prophet. Muslims attempt to intimidate "infidels" with fear but its backfiring for them. They might find out if they continue to harass the world with their false teachings that God will be dealing them a Holy War. Wait, earthquake in Indonesia and Pakistan maybe the Lord is already dealing them a Holy War? You can try to color anyway you wish but the facts don't lie!!
Tenka said:
What exactly is the point of comparing Islam to modern Christianity then deciding that Islam is wrong because it's different from Christianity?
The point is it contradicts everything Christianity stands for and not just The Trinity. It insults me and it should insult all Christians the way it belittles Christ to just a Prophet and destroys the Trinity of his Father. Islam wants me to respect them but they tell me my bible is nothing but lies! The Bible and other Scripture was available to read long before Mohammed came along with the Qu'ran. Are you also aware that Mohammed went into trances and his scribes wrote down all his nonense. A trance huh? Are you sure the trance wasn't induced from taking to many hits on the hookah? I think he did because "his book" is nothing but a bunch of babbling contradictions! It wishes to take over the world by FORCE if necessary. Now you tell me whats wrong with it? Take your Rose Color glasses off and smell the real world.
~There is But One God and But One Way~
I'm sorry I must be so blunt but once again the facts don't lie!
 
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I share your personal distaste for Islam, and believe that Christianity produces superior results. But I am heretical infidel atheist! And will be the first to burn by most religious systems.

So, I ask you, which is worse. Me, or a Muslim?
 
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AdamAnderson21 said:
I share your personal distaste for Islam, and believe that Christianity produces superior results. But I am heretical infidel atheist! And will be the first to burn by most religious systems.

So, I ask you, which is worse. Me, or a Muslim?

I don't see things as "worse" I see things as it's not to late to make a change. I'm not completely happy with what Constantine did in 364 AD by removing certain scipture for your reading enjoyment. If the book of Enoch would not have been banned from the Bible I have my doubts that Mohammed ever would have written his book if Constantine handled that Conclave better.
Go read my Blog Adam and see if you still want to be an Athesit?
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AdamAnderson21 said:
I share your personal distaste for Islam, and believe that Christianity produces superior results. But I am heretical infidel atheist! And will be the first to burn by most religious systems.

So, I ask you, which is worse. Me, or a Muslim?

I guess I must be even worse than a Muslim and an Atheist.

Enochcalling said:
I don't see things as "worse" I see things as it's not to late to make a change. I'm not completely happy with what Constantine did in 364 AD by removing certain scipture for your reading enjoyment. If the book of Enoch would not have been banned from the Bible I have my doubts that Mohammed ever would have written his book if Constantine handled that Conclave better.


Why did Constantine remove the Scriptures?

For the Muslims: Do you all believe that Jesus will come back and marry or has he already did this?
 
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Shy21 said:
I guess I must be even worse than a Muslim and an Atheist.



Why did Constantine remove the Scriptures?

For the Muslims: Do you all believe that Jesus will come back and marry or has he already did this?

First of all my friend you wouldn't be in any of these religious forums unless you have some type of spirit driving you to either seek or dispell knowledge of a Creator.
This link will provide the information needed to understand why Constantine removed Scripture?
http://reluctant-messenger.com/council-of-laodicea.htm

This link explains about Enoch:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm
I can't speak for all the believers in the Trinity my opinion is also made known in my Blog about the return of Christ.
Home Page link to reluctant messenger:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm
 
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The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40).

Hold on a second. I don't believe in Islam anymore than you do, but what's wrong with an autocratic God? Do we want a god who lets us do as we please, and who gives us freedom from him? In the letters, the apostles always called themselves bondservants (that is, slaves) of God and of Christ Jesus.

God does not govern the universe by Democracy. He is supposed to be a dictator. If we criticize Islam, we mustn't do so for this reason. The autocratic nature of God is something that the Muslims happened to get right.
 
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Muslims belittle jesus ? :doh:

3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

Tell me , Which religions islam gives jesus and his mother this much honor ?

And mary?

3:42 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
 
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arunma said:
Hold on a second. I don't believe in Islam anymore than you do, but what's wrong with an autocratic God? Do we want a god who lets us do as we please, and who gives us freedom from him? In the letters, the apostles always called themselves bondservants (that is, slaves) of God and of Christ Jesus.

God does not govern the universe by Democracy. He is supposed to be a dictator. If we criticize Islam, we mustn't do so for this reason. The autocratic nature of God is something that the Muslims happened to get right.

Ah, now I understand why you prefer Islam over other beliefs.

You prefer Saddam's rule over democracy. Righto - got you.:D
 
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almumina said:
Muslims belittle jesus ? :doh:

3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

Tell me , Which religions islam gives jesus and his mother this much honor ?

And mary?

3:42 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

Exactly my point how the Qu'ran contridicts itself all the time. You show me where Mohammed prasies Mary and yet his word has suppressed women living under Islam law. He might have praised Mary above all women but he hasn't done much since that sura.
Now as I was saying lies and contridictions.
But look for he said about Jesus:
The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch,(only part he got right) where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam.(convert the world to Islam without a Trinity I think not) Jesus will marry, (will Jesus have 10 wives like the arab rulers) reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina. (die when Christ returns to claim his church he is in spirit not a physical body) 8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).
Unfortunetly the Qu'ran is full of lies contridictions about Jesus. Reading it one would begin to see that Mohammed perhaps loved his opiium oil in the Hookah too much. The way he had trouble focusing in on the same concept all the time. His story line of a substitute dying on the Cross and Him coming back to marry and rule for 40 years should be a soap opera during week day afternoons on America TV.
To wishy washy for my liking but then again I didn't like Jim Jones, David Koresh, and the Charles Mansion's of the world either. Really doesn't matter to God if you preach a false doctrine whether you become famous or not. He has one room fits all for that group.
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satay said:

I don't understand why hindus on this forum praise each other so much for the fellow hindu reply and remarks?

seems like it's very common that instead of letting others praise the replied made by hindus on this forum I see that hindus themselves praise each other - WHY?

Do you guys support each others in your sins too?
 
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I don't understand why hindus on this forum praise each other so much for the fellow hindu reply and remarks?

It's a great mystery, eh?

Let me help you...clue: it has nothing to do with guns, violence, shooting kids or women or people in general.

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satay said:
It's a great mystery, eh?

Let me help you...clue: it has nothing to do with guns, violence, shooting kids or women or people in general.

satay

a pen which writes words is equally distructive then a guns, violence and shooting kids or women or people in general.

battles are fought in many realms and there are many ways to injure or hurt some times deadler then what a gun can do.

have you ever heard the warriors of words?
 
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