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The true doctrine of "FREE WILL"??: Biblical examples??

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Thank you JLB777 for this excellent choice of scripture:
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” Genesis 4:7
And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.



Perhaps I should begin by telling you that the only free will I believe in is one that is free from sin, I see sin/Satan as a deceiver. Please understand that I mean no disrespect toward you whatsoever when I say that it concerns me that the free will you are teaching sounds to me like the same bondage as the Old Testament will (trying to establish one's own righteousness).

So I do not see God saying that Cain or anybody else has a moral/immoral free will to choose sin or not according to one's own preferance. In the scripture above I actually believe God is saying that sin is a deceitful power working to sway Caine to will to do what is self destructive. It's not so cut and dry as "you are free to choose".

Hence I read this scripture as God addressing Caine's fallen countenance (hurt pride) when He says, "if you do well, will you not be lifted up? But if not, then sin is stalking you in your thoughts trying to get you to do what is wrong. Don't let him rule you". I teach this to my children and Grand children, particularly when I see Satan talking to them in their thoughts. You can see it in their face and demeanor as a fallen countenance contemplating their hurt feelings and seeing things as unfair. Some teenagers suffer dearly.

Unfortunately, at one time or another, my own children have been deceived down that route only to find out what I am talking about is true. But of course I understand, because I once believed in free will just like you describe it, as my choice. I was raised believing in free will and it never dawned on me that sin was in me and in my parents and brother appealing to vanity and pushing our buttons. I thought our thoughts were our own because it was absurd to think someone else could be controlling me and others through our thoughts as if we were puppets. And so I know what it's like to be a slave to sin while thinking that I am free, since I have yielded my members to sin through the exact same deception as all of mankind in Adam has done.

And again we read that this was ordained, when God said to Satan the Father of sin, and God said " I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel". In other words I believe that sin/Satan was destined to be warring in the temporal flesh battleground of mankind against man's own spirit, because God declared it.

Here are some scriptures to back up my claim that the devil causes people to sin through deception and that Satan's seed is working in all flesh of mankind. Please do not gloss over them, but consider why I find each one of them applicable and important:

Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Galatians 4:23-26 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 7:1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

1 John 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Colossians 2:14-15 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Romans 8:For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Romans 8:7-8, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 7:14-15 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Romans 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Romans 8:20-21 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Timothy 2:26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

2 Corinthians 10:5

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Ephesians 4:8

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
This would take lots of time to address each scripture in context, but we could start with your favorites that you feel give your conclusion the most support.

Yes! Satan does have purpose that helps humans fulfill their earthly objective, just as sin has purpose for the unbeliever, but that does not mean satan is controlling everyone like a puppet. It is “He who sins… is the slave” so you have to sin first to be a slave to sin.

Observing a person who does not have or is not using the indwelling Holy Spirit they will appear to have no control over sinning and if they have reached the point of never being willing to accept God’s charity their free will might have been removed. That sinful person thus becomes an example to those still able to make the choice of accept God’s forgiveness to accept His forgiveness or become like that hell bound sinful person who really hurts others.

Again, all mature adults cannot be sinless or go on not sinning under their own power.
 
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This would take lots of time to address each scripture in context, but we could start with your favorites that you feel give your conclusion the most support.
I can't say that I have any favorites. They all say the same thing as pertains to my conclusion in defining what is free and what is bondage/captivity/deceived and deceiving. The ultimate conclusion being that God is not corruptible like mankind. In fact I doubt that it's profitable to discuss the scriptures without first coming to terms concerning the semantics.

Obviously an act of sin is based upon a lie believed to be true, and not a free will. I would reason only a blind person would think that evil is a viable alternative.

We were made in God's image, which means Adam wore the character of God upon his countenance when he was created. So unless God is corrupt, when Adam saw Eve he did not contemplate the choice of whether to love her as himself, or smack her with a stick while yelling at her to get to work doing his job.

Yes! Satan does have purpose that helps humans fulfill their earthly objective, just as sin has purpose for the unbeliever, but that does not mean satan is controlling everyone like a puppet. It is “He who sins… is the slave” so you have to sin first to be a slave to sin.
Of course, and since we have all sinned in response to Satan's/sin's tempting at one time or another, we have all been slaves/puppets of sin/Satan at one time or another. Respectfully, we need not revisit an already foregone conclusion by saying we're only slaves/puppets if we do what Satan/sin says since we all did. So the question now becomes, did Satan/sin deceive us?....Or....was it a freely made choice?... Or... if you feel that these are not mutually exclusive, how is being deceived a free choice?

Observing a person who does not have or is not using the indwelling Holy Spirit they will appear to have no control over sinning and if they have reached the point of never being willing to accept God’s charity their free will might have been removed. That sinful person thus becomes an example to those still able to make the choice of accept God’s forgiveness to accept His forgiveness or become like that hell bound sinful person who really hurts others.
Respectfully, you are still coming across to me as seeing it as a choice to sin rather than a deception. But perhaps I am wrong and you're meaning this: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him.

Why speak as if the Holy Spirit is something we use or don't use? Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is someone who indwells us with not enough power to reveal a lie? Because you're talking in terms that seem to have moved on to the choice without ever discussing what the deception is that sin relies upon to get someone to choose what is self-destructive, and also the truth that conquers the lie. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


Again, all mature adults cannot be sinless or go on not sinning under their own power.
That is not much different than my definition of free will being one that is free from sin, or free from the bondage that is happening under righteousness through the law. But when free will keeps changing definition so that the free is both free from God and free from sin simultaneously, it is an equivocation and an unstable term to reason upon. Moreover what if part of Satan's deception is to cause iniquity. So that something that is deemed sin to one is not deemed as sin to another?

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
Please notice that one could use free will (the equivocation) to claim that he could have not chosen to be a glutton.
 
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But it is still our 'choice' to exercise 'freewill' or allow something else to determine our choices. What
Can a person oppose their own self by thinking they have a free will? Yes they can.

I've chosen this line because it is simple to work with. So let us agree that we each have a will of our own. Let's define the "will" as the capacity by which a person decides upon and initiates action. Let us also narrow this down so as to be applied strictly to a moral/immoral conduct. Now what exactly is a free will in the immoral/immoral dichotomy?

Above you say that "it is still our choice to exercise 'freewill' or allow something else to determine our choices". I am not arguing that it is not our will making any choice we make, so we can eliminate the "it's still our choice to exercise free will" part of your statement from the debate.

I'm arguing that we do not have a free will in the moral/immoral purview. So moving on to the next part, you state that 'free will' is not being exercised when allowing something else to determine our choices. Essentially, you have provided the definition of what a free will is as you see it. "Free will is exercised when not allowing someone else to determine our choices".

There's a problem concerning the carnal minded and the spiritual minded. The definition for free will you are using would carry two opposing meanings differing dependent upon what one's nature is, since what is perceived as good to the spirit is perceived as bad to the flesh and visa versa. So exercising free will to the carnal mind would not be exercising free will to the spiritual mind and visa versa.

And finally, how is it that we can exercise the free will that you have defined when God made us in His Image with His Character? In other words how can we not allow something else to determine our choices when God's Character is our moral impetus to begin with? The only alternative is to deny God's Character which is opposing one's own self. I mean no disrespect to you when I say that free will in this scenario is a deception and is sin.

2 Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Conclusion: The only definition of free will that is plausible is relative to seeing the Truth or not and definitely not upon making a choice to sin.

John 8:32 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
 
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it concerns me that the free will you are teaching sounds to me like the same bondage as the Old Testament will (trying to establish one's own righteousness).


Please share the scripture that says people in the Old Testament before Moses was born, tried to establish their own righteousness.


Wouldn’t a person establishing his own righteousness indicate he has a few will to do so?


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So I do not see God saying that Cain or anybody else has a moral/immoral free will to choose sin or not according to one's own preferance. In the scripture above I actually believe God is saying that sin is a deceitful power working to sway Caine to will to do what is self destructive. It's not so cut and dry as "you are free to choose".


You are free to choose what you see or do not see from the scriptures.


Here is what the Lord told Cain -

So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
Genesis 4:6-7

Cain was angry with his brother and murdered him.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15



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You are free to choose what you see or do not see from the scriptures.
I'm just doing my best to ascertain what the writer meant to communicate through the Holy Spirit. In this case I honestly think the scripture is showing an example of sin manifesting in the man Cain.

Cain was angry with his brother and murdered him.
Yes he murdered his own brother Abel... for no good reason. And he was like crazy angry.... for no good reason. And you think this proves free will?

Now I realize that your response to that question would probably be something along the line of, "he had a choice", or "he could have not killed Cain". But do you honestly think that is what the writer meant to communicate through the Holy Spirit? You see a free will. I see corruption in the creature.

I'm not free to choose what I see, it's just what I see. I don't see the Holy Spirit teaching that we all have the free will to kill our brothers if we lose a game of checkers.... or not. I believe the Holy Spirit is revealing that there is sin/Satan talking in our thoughts, and capable of deceiving a person into doing what is self destructive.
 
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Please share the scripture that says people in the Old Testament before Moses was born, tried to establish their own righteousness.
I meant to say the Old Covenant, my mistake.

Wouldn’t a person establishing his own righteousness indicate he has a free will to do so?
Godliness is an attribute of God in mankind. Man was made in the Image of God. To suggest that man can establish his own righteousness is to try to fix what's not broken.
 
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I meant to say the Old Covenant, my mistake.

Godliness is an attribute of God in mankind. Man was made in the Image of God. To suggest that man can establish his own righteousness is to try to fix what's not broken.


Man is certainly broken and desperately needs fixing.


He came to restore our soul and renew our mind, so that we can be lead in the path of righteousness.



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In this case I honestly think the scripture is showing an example of sin manifesting in the man Cain.


Cain had the choice to obey sin or obey God.


If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” Genesis 4:7



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Man is certainly broken and desperately needs fixing.


He came to restore our soul and renew our mind, so that we can be lead in the path of righteousness.
JLB
Yes, I share this same conviction, and I can articulate what renewing the mind entails since I have experienced the change that occurs as the Holy Spirit reveals the falsehood that the carnal mind reasons upon and leads us in the path of righteousness.
 
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Cain had the choice to obey sin or obey God.
Yes of course this is true as a matter of circumstance. But I believe Cain's anger was provoked by a lie that sin was speaking in Cain's thoughts, and that is why God is saying you should rule over it, don't let it rule over you.

If I may elaborate. I do not know for certain why Cain's offering was not respected. But, I do know that Abel's offering was respected, even because he gave of the first fruits and of the fat therein. Abel gave the best he had.

So I believe that Cain probably did not give the best that he had. And why he didn't is also an indicator that there were underlying thoughts in his head that were based on falsehood and darkening his heart. And so the spirit that he gave out of becomes the object of focus. Was it greed, was he miserly, was it false worship? Sometimes people give gifts so that they look good rather than out of any sincere desire to see the recipient pleased. Was he trying to establish his own righteousness? All of this is vanity.

I do not know what sin was telling him at the time he was preparing what to offer. And there are many lies that can be invented to subvert the truth. But clearly, if he truly wanted to see God pleased with all purity, he would have at least rejoiced that Abel had provided an acceptable offering that pleased God. And had Cain realized this truth, then sin would never have had any power to get him so angry, and he would not have ever even considered killing Abel.
 
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Yes he murdered his own brother Abel... for no good reason. And he was like crazy angry.... for no good reason. And you think this proves free will?

I do.

Now I realize that your response to that question would probably be something along the line of, "he had a choice", or "he could have not killed Cain". But do you honestly think that is what the writer meant to communicate through the Holy Spirit? You see a free will. I see corruption in the creature.

It's very clear what was meant to be communicated. Simple. If you do right this will happen...being accepted.....if you do wrong it won't. The choice was his. Why are you closing your eyes from seeing what is right there in the text? If that's not a free will option then what is it?
 
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It's very clear what was meant to be communicated. Simple. If you do right this will happen...being accepted.....if you do wrong it won't. The choice was his. Why are you closing your eyes from seeing what is right there in the text? If that's not a free will option then what is it?

I have already acknowledged the simplicity of "if you do right you will be accepted and if you do bad you will not be accepted", and I can simplify it even further, "Be good". Also I do not discount that it was Cain's choice made by his will, so respectfully my eyes are not closed to it.

Assuming that Truth is greater than a lie, and that knowledge informs ignorance, I want to know why Cain did what he did, and what he was believing when he did it. If sin is based on deception, then when sin intends to subvert the truth in a man, I want to know how it accomplishes that, and I want to know what knowledge is necessary to prevent it. So to simply say he freely chose, would only perpetuate a blindness to such things.

So you ask a two part question, first you ask why it's not a free will option? I am not sure I can answer the question as posed since I do not know what a free will option is. A free will decision would have been more coherent. Since I do not know, I am going to take it to mean, "Why is it not a voluntary choice?" And also as a follow up, "if not what is it?"

If I may point out, I have already answered the follow up question in the post you are quoting me from; I said that it is a corruption in the creature. But problematic in the semantics is that it stands to reason that only a corrupt creature would find volunteering to do the corrupt thing a viable option. For example notice how in this scripture, that the option to serve idols is only available to the corrupted. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve. So having established that only a corrupt thinking would consider choosing a corrupt thing, then I would not be willing to engage in any sophistry that would characterize a corrupt mind as a free will and end up with the contradiction that an uncorrupted mind is an enslaved will.

I believe that the choice made by both Cain and Abel as to what to offer unto God can be called voluntary. However, I do not believe that the intention of this scripture is to teach that Cain made a voluntary choice to have a fallen countenance and get angry which ultimately led to killing his brother. I don't recall ever volunteering to get angry. I believe the intention of scripture is to show a self serving corruption in the heart or thoughts of Cain, that was not present in Abel. Or in the counter narrrative, I believe a righteousness was present in Abel that was not in Cain. I do not believe Abel could have chosen what Cain did.

I realize that it's easy to conflate the two actions voluntary/reactionary, particularly since God describes an either/or reaction and outcome in addressing Cain' s anger and fallen countenance due to rejection. Hence you see a simple choice being made, while I discern a sinister spirit of darkness in Cain's heart motivating the choice he made.

childeye 2 said: Cain murdered his own brother Abel... for no good reason. And he was like crazy angry.... for no good reason. And you think this proves free will in the creation, rather than corruption in the creation?
This is meant to contemplate the difference between a free choice, and a predisposition that would predetermine the choice. I am unwilling to portray a will that despises God as a free will since such a will opposes its own self.

Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Romans 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
 
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Yes of course this is true as a matter of circumstance. But I believe Cain's anger was provoked by a lie that sin was speaking in Cain's thoughts, and that is why God is saying you should rule over it, don't let it rule over you.

If I may elaborate. I do not know for certain why Cain's offering was not respected. But, I do know that Abel's offering was respected, even because he gave of the first fruits and of the fat therein. Abel gave the best he had.

So I believe that Cain probably did not give the best that he had. And why he didn't is also an indicator that there were underlying thoughts in his head that were based on falsehood and darkening his heart. And so the spirit that he gave out of becomes the object of focus. Was it greed, was he miserly, was it false worship? Sometimes people give gifts so that they look good rather than out of any sincere desire to see the recipient pleased. Was he trying to establish his own righteousness? All of this is vanity.

I do not know what sin was telling him at the time he was preparing what to offer. And there are many lies that can be invented to subvert the truth. But clearly, if he truly wanted to see God pleased with all purity, he would have at least rejoiced that Abel had provided an acceptable offering that pleased God. And had Cain realized this truth, then sin would never have had any power to get him so angry, and he would not have ever even considered killing Abel.


Cain had a free will to choose.



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Assuming that Truth is greater than a lie, and that knowledge informs ignorance, I want to know why Cain did what he did, and what he was believing when he did it.

Anger which means....HE GOT MAD.

So you ask a two part question, first you ask why it's not a free will option? I am not sure I can answer the question as posed since I do not know what a free will option is.

Just means to choose one thing over another.

But problematic in the semantics is that it stands to reason that only a corrupt creature would find volunteering to do the corrupt thing a viable option.
So why does that stand to reason? Lucifer before he sinned in Ezekiel 28:12 was called the seal of perfection. Was he a corrupt creature before he chose to sin? No. Or how about Adam & Eve before they sinned. We're they corrupt? So I'd suggest your reasoning falls apart.


However, I do not believe that the intention of this scripture is to teach that Cain made a voluntary choice to have a fallen countenance and get angry which ultimately led to killing his brother.

Of course not! God would expect people to know it's self-evident that men have free will. The lesson is don't get mad when you see others blessed due to obeying God. God is not showing favor one over another if all meet conditions of obedience.

Or in the counter narrrative, I believe a righteousness was present in Abel that was not in Cain. I do not believe Abel could have chosen what Cain did.

Well you see that's your problem right there. Because Abel was doing right things that means he had to have had this elevated nature put in him by God. What about all the many who did good like Abel and yet they'd commit sinful acts later. Like Solomon, like King David even Abraham would lie about who his wife was. Or Jonah and the list can go on and on.
 
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Anger which means....HE GOT MAD.
Obviously, but was it sin that caused Cain to hold back his hand in what he offered? Was it sin stoking his anger and deceiving him into killing his brother? Was sin, as a separate entity, able to enter his thoughts and cause him to think something like, I'm going to kill God's precious Abel to show God how much He hurt me? The scriptures testify, that there is an entity called the prince of the power of the air and that this happens to all of us.
Ephesians 2:2-3,
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Just means to choose one thing over another.
Then what is it's opposite, to not choose one thing over the other? You're conflating choice/decision with choice/option. It is impossible to not choose/pick one option over the other option either immoral or moral, when presented with the circumstance of how we will treat someone else. What a free will implies is that the choice/decision is made without someone else controlling us.

So why does that stand to reason? Lucifer before he sinned in Ezekiel 28:12 was called the seal of perfection. Was he a corrupt creature before he chose to sin? No. Or how about Adam & Eve before they sinned. We're they corrupt? So I'd suggest your reasoning falls apart.
Look a little deeper, it is vanity that corrupts in the creation. And by vanity, I mean either feeling lifted up in comparison to others, or feeling put down in comparison to others. Overall, either forgetting or not acknowledging that God made each creature what we are, and gifted us each with what we need according to His wisdom.

For example, here is what scripture testifies to about the devil, Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
So yes Lucifer was corrupt before he sinned. And likewise in accordance with vanity the serpent tempted Eve with becoming greater in stature than God had appointed for them.

So yes it stands to reason that corrupt "thinking" produces corrupt choices.
Of course not! God would expect people to know it's self-evident that men have free will. The lesson is don't get mad when you see others blessed due to obeying God. God is not showing favor one over another if all meet conditions of obedience.
You should not presume to say that"God would expect people to know it's self evident that men have free will to sin" when Satan is portrayed as accusing the brethren day and night before the lord, and Jesus is seen interceding by praying, "forgive them for they know not what they do".

Moreover, while it stands to reason that a person is blessed for obeying God, what Abel offered was not in response to any spoken/audible directive from God that he should obey.

Well you see that's your problem right there. Because Abel was doing right things that means he had to have had this elevated nature put in him by God.
Yes exactly, Abel was exhibiting the Godliness that loves others as himself, Cain was not. Hence they willed differently because they saw things differently.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


What about all the many who did good like Abel and yet they'd commit sinful acts later. Like Solomon, like King David even Abraham would lie about who his wife was. Or Jonah and the list can go on and on.
Cain and Abel is the earliest example of sin manifesting in the offspring of Adam. It does not appear in Abel but it appears in Cain, and also let us not forget that Enoch was transformed and taken out of this world. As far as others Solomon, King David, etc..look for vanity corrupting the thoughts and eventually manifesting sin. Because stating the obvious that they chose to sin is not informative as to why.
 
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Cain had a free will to choose.
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All a person needs to choose is a will.
will
[wil]
NOUN
  1. the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.
Cain's will was not free from sin.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
 
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