The Trinity

[razzelflabben]

Is it permitted to worship certain men? Yes, but not as God.

Anyone could have looked these up themselves, if they really wanted to search out the truth of the matter.

Genesis 37:7 There we were, binding sheaves in the field. Then behold, my sheaf arose and also stood upright; and indeed your sheaves stood all around and bowed down [H7812 - shachah – worship Gen 24:48 worship LORD; Gen 23:7, 12 Abraham worship people of the land; Gen 27:29 Isaac blessing Jacob; Exo 23:24 shall not worship other gods] to my sheaf.” 8 And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?”. . .9 Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down [H7812 - shachah – worship] to me.” 10 So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down [H7812 - shachah – worship] to the earth before you?”​

Genesis 45:8 So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father [which is the same word father used in Isaiah 9:6] to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.​

now first problem is that we were told by non trinitarian believers that every knee bowing and every tongue confessing is not worship but submission, so here you are contradicting other non trinitarians to call it worship. In fact, for the passage to be saying worship means that non trinity teaching has a huge problem.

Second, we are not talking about a few people we are talking about every creature, which is much different than the passages you present here. In fact, all of these talk about a choice. As pointed out, in the Phil. passage in question, the choice is gone, everyone will bow and everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. Not by the force of a sword, but by the lack of options, for all will know who Jesus is.​

These dreams God gave to Joseph. Not only his brothers would bow down to him, but even his mother and father who were before him, would also bow down before him. And Joseph a godly man, and ruler over all, received worship. We can bow down and worship men, and kings, with proper respect.

Same word used for worshipping LORD God...

Genesis 24:48 And I bowed down my head, and worshipped [H7812 - shachah – worship] the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham​

Isaac blessing Jacob...

Genesis 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down [H7812 - shachah – worship] to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down [H7812 - shachah – worship] to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.​

Used of David and LORD God...

1 Chronicles 29:20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped [H7812 - shachah – worship] the LORD, and the king [The king here is David. The same word worship that is used both for God and the man David].​

this just builds the case for bowing down and confessing Lordship to be worship, which I already said and was told by the non trinitarians here is not right, that this doesn't mean to worship. So I'm not sure why you are trying to disagree with your own side, but cool, makes the questions asked of non trinity even more important to get an answer to. To bad no one is willing to answer them.

Aramaic word used of Daniel...

Daniel 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped [H5457 - cĕgid (Aramaic) – worship Dan 3:28] Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. 47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.​

King Nebuchadnezzar worshiped Daniel, but not as God, for this is made clear by verse 47, as it is stated “that your God is a God of gods.” Daniel did not stop them, for they even offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

Aramaic word used of God...

Daniel 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship [H5457 - cĕgid (Aramaic) – worship Dan 2:46] any god, except their own God.​

We do worship Jesus, he is our king, but Jesus also said to the Church in...

Revelation 3:9 ...behold, I will make them to come and worship [G4352 – proskyneō - worship] before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.​

This is the same Geek word "G4352 – proskyneō - worship" in Revelation 3:9, that is used also for worshiping Jesus, and God, and idols.

John 4:21, 23, 24; 1 Corinthians 14:25; Revelation 7:11 [G4352 – proskyneō – worship] worship the Father, and God.​

Hebrews 1:6 [G4352 – proskyneō – worship] worship Jesus.​

Act 7:43 [G4352 – proskyneō – worship] worship idols.​

Though, no one is to be worshiped as the God, but the God, for then that would be stepping over the line. Obviously, there must be a proper distinction.

So what would be the difference between worshiping God and worshiping a non god...I have already pointed out four and you refuse to address them....1. the choice 2. the number of creatures and 3. the acknowledgement of Lordship and 4. the authority over all, not just some.

So what is the difference between worshiping a non deity and worship of a deity in your mind? Remember in order to know if your teaching is truth, it has to be something we can measure, so be specific.

 

[Berean777]

Worship is to the one God who is the creator. Jesus was worshipped as God and therefore is Emmanuel meaning God is with us.

A created being cannot be worshipped. The Son existed with the Father before the world was created and he shared in his glory as God and Creator.

 

[razzelflabben]

Worship is to the one God who is the creator. Jesus was worshipped as God and therefore is Emmanuel meaning God is with us.

A created being cannot be worshipped. The Son existed with the Father before the world was created and he shared in his glory as God and Creator.

that would support a trinitarian understanding of Phil 2

 

[faroukfarouk]

that would support a trinitarian understanding of Phil 2

Yes, and the opening verses of John's Gospel confirm this!

 

[razzelflabben]

Yes, and the opening verses of John's Gospel confirm this!

agree but some here have requested smaller chunks, so right now we are limited to Phil. 2 and any passage that confirms the interpretation thereof, iow's context of the totality of scripture.

 

[justlookinla]

Which God was Abraham worshiping?

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

 

[7xlightray]

now, scripture tells us that His flesh nature could sin, it even tells us in Heb. that He had to learn obedience....all the while proclaiming HIm to be God.

As to contradictory, the only contradictions I am interested in are those from scripture as non trinity leaves the Phil. 2 passage in contradictions. any other "contradiction" is only in the mind of man for the purpose of deception and leading away from truth. not at all...I am not even God and I have two natures, the old man and the new man. no, that is how you are twisting what I am saying so that you can justify your own opinions and ideas. But you have to know this by now, after all the corrections you have been given. since no one seems t listen to what I am saying, here is an article by someone else that tells you the same thing about the two natures http://biblebelievers.com/Todd5.html ...now, if mere man can have two natures, why would it be impossible for God who clothed Himself in the flesh, to not also have two natures while in the flesh? these are the flesh nature as I already told you repeatedly, but there is also a God nature, which we also talked about.

My oh my.

We still have a humans nature, because we can still be tempted to sin, but we choose not to. God is not tempted to sin!

Why? Because, you are one person and Can Change. The “You”, your “Person”, lines up “Yourself” to the old nature, or to the new nature. You still have to choose to follow the new, or old nature. We are human, and have a humans nature, we operate in human nature, but we can overcome our human desires. It would be God's nature that would be working in us, and we are not God. God says He does not have a human nature, and desires, that He can be drawn away to sin. This you ignore in you doctrine.

That article you gave deals with man. You keep wanting to apply man's nature, man's predicament to God, when God say don't do that! When He says, he can't be tempted to sin, because He does not have a human's nature. Man, even before the fall, even in his good state, could be tempted to sin. Not God, God is higher then man. And it is the “Person” that is being tempted, that is drawn away, not some other object. You want to somehow separate God from Himself, and say God can become even lower then angels, become man, and be tempted to sin. And this doctrine makes God a liar, for when God says He cannot be tempted with sin, this doctrine says, Oh! but if we make you a man, then you could be tempted by sin. Aha, we out smarted God, thus making God a liar.

The God person cannot have a human nature, He always operates in His God nature.

Surely, you must know yourself, from your own experience, you can't be tempted to steal that car, and not steal that car at the same moment in time. And to overcome that temptation, or desire, you rely on the new nature, but “you” still are, or can be tempted at the same time, but resisting that temptation, because there is only One “You.” And because there is only One You, and you are human, with a human's nature from creation, you can be tempted to sin. God says, He is not like man, and cannot be tempted to sin. I don't know of how many different ways this could be said. How many times will this have to be repeated?

This is not some new revelation I am talking about here, so, why are you not able to comprehend this, it's not some mystery, or some difficult unfamiliar thing I'm speaking to you about?

God's Nature Does Not Change, for God does not change!

You Can Change, God Does Not Change!

You can change natures so to speak, yet, while operating in the new nature you still can be tempted to sin, because you are human, with a human nature. God cannot change Natures! For God to put on another nature, would be God changing. Now that I came out of this trinity doctrine, I see just how silly, and utter nonsense this talk is. It teaches the very opposite of what God says about Himself.

God does not go from, I cannot be tempted to lie, to I can be tempted to lie. God cannot operate in two natures, being tempted to lie, and not being tempted to lie at the same time. That is a contradictory, either you can be tempted, or you can't be tempted; either you are being tempted, or your not being tempted.

Your whole rational thinking is skewed by this doctrine.

So, if Jesus was God when he came to earth, his person nature could not change. God must always be true to Who He is. His person cannot change, by somehow all of a sudden be tempted by sin. His person nature could not be drawn away by his own desires, because the Jesus person would be God, that could not change. God is Who He is. This is not difficult stuff.

So, there would have to be another person, that had a human nature, that could be tempted.

It's only “you” that chooses to follow your desire, or God's will, by believing the truth. And this faith is given to us, by hearing, or reading His Word, and believing the truth, only if we are willing to do His will, will we know the truth John 7:17, for He knows who are His.

Either your operating in the Spirit, or your not. Jesus had the fullness of God, and was operating in the Spirit, and yet, still he Jesus, the person, at the same time was tempted, showing the person Jesus was not God, and it was his God and Father that was giving him the strength to overcome his human desires, and to serve his God.

Again it is the person that is being drawn away, and God can't change, or be drawn away. Man can change, and be drawn away. God can't change, man can change.

In 1 John 3:16 God has been added to the translation, it is not in the Greek text, and no reason to be.

What do you mean he died to himself, are you trying to say that God died to himself and stopped being God, this is what you must be saying, because there is only one person that came to earth, and you say that person was the God person Jesus. Jesus stopped being God? He can't stop being God, and be God at the same time, or anytime. God can't put aside His nature, God can't stop being God. He tells us this, that He can't put aside His nature, that at some point in time He can be tempted, so obviously your interpretations are mislead.

Funny, I have shown, not only to you, but others in this thread, how these passages are not claiming Jesus is God, but have been mishandled, and they are there for anyone to read.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself, over and over. So, I'll refer you to these last two posts of mine, unless you have something new to ask, or say.

 

[razzelflabben]

Which God was Abraham worshiping?

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Abraham worshiped the Living God but in this passage was giving honor to the angels if memory serves. But again, you avoid answering the question asked. How does worship of God differ from worship of leaders or others? I gave the 4 things I gleaned from scripture that makes it different and according to those four things, Jesus in Phil 2 is being worshiped as a deity. You are invited and encouraged to show me wrong, rather than try to change the topic of discussion as you are trying to do yet again.

 

[7xlightray]

now first problem is that we were told by non trinitarian believers that every knee bowing and every tongue confessing is not worship but submission, so here you are contradicting other non trinitarians to call it worship. In fact, for the passage to be saying worship means that non trinity teaching has a huge problem.

Second, we are not talking about a few people we are talking about every creature, which is much different than the passages you present here. In fact, all of these talk about a choice. As pointed out, in the Phil. passage in question, the choice is gone, everyone will bow and everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. Not by the force of a sword, but by the lack of options, for all will know who Jesus is.​

this just builds the case for bowing down and confessing Lordship to be worship, which I already said and was told by the non trinitarians here is not right, that this doesn't mean to worship. So I'm not sure why you are trying to disagree with your own side, but cool, makes the questions asked of non trinity even more important to get an answer to. To bad no one is willing to answer them.So what would be the difference between worshiping God and worshiping a non god...I have already pointed out four and you refuse to address them....1. the choice 2. the number of creatures and 3. the acknowledgement of Lordship and 4. the authority over all, not just some.

So what is the difference between worshiping a non deity and worship of a deity in your mind? Remember in order to know if your teaching is truth, it has to be something we can measure, so be specific.

The point I was making, was, we are not to worship man as God. And the same word “worship” is used both for man and for God, that means we need to interpret properly. We are only to worship God as God. And we worship man as man, not as God. And I was clearly making that point. The scriptures themselves use the same word worship both for man and God, so, all I'm doing is using the same word “worship” as scripture uses, understanding is another thing.

And Jesus was, and is a man. So, just because it says to worship Jesus, does not mean Jesus is God, because it also says, man has been, and will be worshiped, using the same word “worship”, though man will not be worshiped as God, obviously! So, it comes down to understanding, as the scriptures call man “god,” with the understanding, obviously, man is not the God.

Everyone is going to bow down to Jesus, because he is second in command, the only one above him is God. And God has put him as judge over all, we will also even judge the angels.

 

[justlookinla]

Like I said, I already told you several times over that Jesus was tempted in His fully man nature...but was in His fully God nature without sin.

You really have to be able to read well enough to comprehend what I am saying here, you don't have to agree in order to understand and not try to talk down to me as if I never said what I clearly did.

Nothing in scripture about Jesus being tempted in His "man nature" while His "God nature" wasn't tempted. Jesus didn't suffer from multiple personality disorder.

 

[razzelflabben]

Do you have scripture supporting the view that Jesus had a 'human nature' and a 'God nature'? Which 'nature' died on the cross, rose on the third day and ascended to His God and Father?

lol I just gave you the scripture. Phil 2:6, really you are this deceived that you can't even read a passage when I say, the passage in the post you refer to....how sad.

Why aren't you answering the questions?

Like I have repeatedly said, your questions about which nature died, are just silly given what was said already, but I will gladly play the game with you. The human nature died on the cross, remember when on the cross, Jesus said, "My God, My God why have you forsaken Me?" This is the flesh that is crying out to God because in that instance, the flesh nature and the God nature were temporarily separated. this temporary separation is because for the first time ever, Jesus bore sin in His body.

 

[justlookinla]

lol I just gave you the scripture. Phil 2:6, really you are this deceived that you can't even read a passage when I say, the passage in the post you refer to....how sad.

Please point out the "human nature" and "God nature" indicated in Phil 2:6.

Like I have repeatedly said, your questions about which nature died, are just silly given what was said already, but I will gladly play the game with you. The human nature died on the cross, remember when on the cross, Jesus said, "My God, My God why have you forsaken Me?"

Yes, I remember that. Jesus crying out to His God to whom He ascended tree days later. Support your claim that "the human nature" died on the cross. Are you suggesting that a person didn't die on the cross, but just a 'nature'?

This is the flesh that is crying out to God because in that instance, the flesh nature and the God nature were temporarily separated.

Support your claim that "the flesh nature and the God nature were temporarily separated" with scripture please.

this temporary separation is because for the first time ever, Jesus bore sin in His body.

Yes, He who knew no sin became sin for us....per scripture. The God part of Jesus fled while the non-God part of Jesus bore sin? That seems to be what you're saying.

 

[Aijalon]

Would you like to discuss John 14:8-13? I'm assuming that's the passage you're referring to.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

yes that was the passage I had in mind.

 

[stevenfrancis]

Because He is the Son, not the Father, and there is only one God. God the Father.

This begs the question, who or what then are Jesus and Holy Spirit if not of the same nature as the Father, i.e. persons of the same Godhead? IMO it changes everything. If Jesus is not God, If the Father is not God, if The Holy Ghost is Not God, there is a fully different God than the one which non-heretical Christians believe. It renders the Gospel of John as useless. It renders Eucharist useless. It makes Christianity just a philosophical religion like Buddhism or Hindusim. It's just another way to the Father. Not THE way to the Father. What would Jesus be saying when He says things like "before Abraham was, I AM"? or "I and the Father are ONE" etc.
Maybe I don't get what you're after, or what you're saying, but whatever it is, it is likely covered within the Arian, Manachean, or other long solved heresy.

 

[justlookinla]

yet you are the one who repeatedly refuses word study while I am the one who continues to advocate for it...that makes your comment an insult. But no matter, moving on. let's look at the whole definition, shall we?

1. the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
   
   
2. external appearance

Notice it says nothing about figurative nature...rather it says the form or appearance.

Once more.....

G3444
μορφή
morphē
mor-fay'
Perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively nature: - form.

Now we know that God being spirit has no form that we can see, so if Jesus is the form or external appearance of God, that makes Him God by the very nature of who He is, just like I said.

No, that makes Him the express image of God.....per scripture.

I have been struggling to understand where you are getting your definitions since the Lexicon is the primary source for none Hebrew of Greek scholars...I just figured it out...This is the cut and paste from stong's website....
The KJV translates Strongs G3444 in the following manner: form (3x).
...notice that it says that KJV translates the word...that is NOT a definition, but rather tells you that all three times that the word is translated form in KJV, it means the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision or external appearance...iow the very nature would be a better translation then form....really, someone who claims to use word study should know this and be able to read what it says for meaning.

From your link......

μορφή morphḗ, mor-fay'; perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively, nature:—form.

yeah I do, just because you change the word meaning, doesn't mean it wasn't provided. I keep telling you this... as I showed, I am the one looking at word meaning, all you are doing is looking at how the word is translated in the KJV. when we do word study, which you claim you do, we look at word meaning the way different translations translate the word.

Most translators translate 'morphe' as 'form'.

You would know that if you were serious about word study and if you were more interesting in discovering what scripture said and less interested in trying to falsely accuse me as you do here.

Give an example of where I've falsely accused you.

wow, so according to you, you are a totally different body, soul, spirit even though just before this claim you claimed you were not a different body, soul, spirit....how does that contradiction work exactly?

Honestly, I don't know how you arrive at these conclusions. I've never claimed to be a different body, soul, spirit, I'm the same one from birth to death. The difference is that I'm redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Not my 'nature' redeemed, but my person redeemed.

so, what nature do you think died on the cross?

No nature died on the cross, it was a person who was the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Christ. Again, we're not redeemed by the blood of a 'nature', we're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

I mean it was the very nature that we could see with our eyes, the fleshly nature, that makes it the man nature that died.

The fella that hung on the cross wasn't a 'nature'.

As I already pointed out, the God nature is the only one that could according to the text be the one that turned away...that means,your claims are wrong...

No, a 'nature' did not forsake His Son, the Father forsook His Son.

but you will never see that because you don't want to see what it says, you would rather try to find ways to contradict what I am saying. where did I ever enter discussion with you? Discussion is give and take, it is asking questions, answering questions, looking at scripture and reasoning together over that scripture. All you offer is "cause I say so" and how words are translated which doesn't even require the original word to know, just the given translation.

Sure it requires the original word. That's essential to understanding the bible other than on a very very superficial level.

 

[7xlightray]

I said that Jesus was tempted being fully man, but was also without sin as per being fully God. Even referred you to some passages. As fully man, he was tempted, as fully God, He was without sin. I already told you several times over that Jesus was tempted in His fully man nature...but was in His fully God nature without sin.

Which part of Jesus, when he came to earth, was God?

It was not his body, his flesh, for his body died. Was not the Spirit, for the Spirit is not the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit. That only leaves his soul.

 

[7xlightray]

I will explain Philippians 2:6, but if you will not accept the easier passages, why would you accept me explaining this one.

Let me also point this out in the simplest way I can, that of the word equal.

G2470 – isos - equal, in quantity or quality; equal, agree together, as much, like; ἴσος ísos, ee'-sos; probably from G1492 (through the idea of seeming); similar (in amount and kind):—+ agree, as much, equal, like.​

If I have one lamp that is equal to another lamp, the first lamp cannot be the second lamp, otherwise it would be the second lamp. So, if it say Jesus is equal to God, Jesus could not be that God, otherwise it would say he is that God, not equal to that God. If it said Jesus is equal to the Father, then you could potentially make a argument that Jesus is God, not that this meant Jesus was God, but one could potentially make that argument, not considering other scripture. Now read John 5:18 and Philippians 2 carefully.

Philippians 2:6 (NASB for clarity) who, although He existed in the form [G3444 – morphē - the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision, external appearance, outward appearance, form (outward expression of the inner)] of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

As Eve did, or as Satan wants to, or as the priesthood has done, to lord it over others.

Context is everything...

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:​

Christ did not try to elevate himself above others, but served others. Even though he displayed the character of God, full of wisdom and grace, and could have exercised his authority over others because of this, like God, he did not. Jesus did not try to grasp the authority of God over others. Jesus did not accept Satan's temptation of ruling over all the kingdoms, but allowed God to elevate him.

As it goes on to say...

Philippians 2:7(KJV)
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:​

Form [G3444 – morphē] must be referring to God's character, and ya don't have to be God, to display God's character, for all God's children should be displaying God's character. And this is what the Gospels reveal to us, when Jesus said, you seen me you seen the Father. Jesus was not referring to actually seeing God the Father, for no one has seen God, So, Jesus must have been referring to seeing God's character, which we know Jesus said, it was the Father working in him John 14:10, this is what Jesus meant by he was in God... John 3:21 and 1 John 4:15-16...

John 14:10(KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works [John 3:21; 1 John 4:16].​

John 3:21(KJV)
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.​

1 John 4:15-16(KJV)
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love [This is the work of God] dwelleth in God, and God in him.​

...his works were done in God, because it was God working in him, and it pleased the Father that the fullness should dwell in him Colossians 1:19, as John 3:34-35 also explains this. Which we are also called to Ephesians 4:12-14, and then read all of Ephesians 4.

Do you partake in the divine nature of God? Are you God? No!

Whether one partakes of the divine nature of God, or not, does not make one God 2 Peter 1:4.

 

[razzelflabben]

Which part of Jesus, when he came to earth, was God?

It was not his body, his flesh, for his body died. Was not the Spirit, for the Spirit is not the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit. That only leaves his soul.

well, Spirit always refers to God, so shows you didn't do as much study as you claimed to have done. As I said, two possibles 1. that of life as in Gen. God breathed into them life. This is still God....2. that of the HS, which we know Jesus had.

Now, as to soul...scripture says that Jesus very nature was that of God. It also says that we as man cannot separate soul from Spirit only God and HIs word can do that...so have at trying to divide something Scripture says we cannot separate....

 

[7xlightray]

well, Spirit always refers to God, so shows you didn't do as much study as you claimed to have done. As I said, two possibles 1. that of life as in Gen. God breathed into them life. This is still God....2. that of the HS, which we know Jesus had.

Now, as to soul...scripture says that Jesus very nature was that of God. It also says that we as man cannot separate soul from Spirit only God and HIs word can do that...so have at trying to divide something Scripture says we cannot separate....

We know the Spirit is God, but the Spirit is not the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit, and I'm referring to Jesus.

What part of Jesus that came to earth, was God?

Let me try wording it another way...

What part of Jesus that came to earth remained God?

...or...

What part of Jesus that came to earth remained God the Son?

 

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You know one of these have to be God the Son according to trinity doctrine, either the body, or the soul, or the Spirit.


We know the Spirit is God, but the Spirit is not the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit.

What part of Jesus that came to earth, was God?

Let me try wording it another way...

What part of Jesus that came to earth remained God?

...or...

What part of Jesus that came to earth remained God the Son?