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The Times of the Nations
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YESHUA returned to His Place for the Offenses of Judah and Ephraim, Their Offence Hosea 5:14-15 Hosea 6:1-3
The Offense of Judah then and now Luke 19:44
The Offence of Ephraim then and now Hosea 8:12
Peter wants to make something crystal clear, so he is inspired to say do not be Ignorant about this one thing " one day is to YHWH as a thousand years, or if you prefer a thousand Years is one day to YHWH 2 Peter 3:8
Now that you are Informed, the day of YHWH is a thousand Years 2 Peter 3:10 (In the Which) at the end of the Messianic Era
Now back to Hosea 6:2 After Two days (2000 years) He will revive us, Both Houses of Jacob.... The Third day is the Millennium, Living in His sight
When did this count begin, from His Birth Luke 2:11, then we have been on Hezekiah type time, from His Baptism Matthew 3:17, or from the Triumphant Entry Matthew 21:5, His Ascension Acts 1:11
2031-32 at the latest by my estimation, but unless those days are shortened, our days, no flesh would survive....
There is another Timeline, It is found in Ezekiel, he is instructed to lay on his side for 390 days, and that each day represents 1 year of iniquity for the house of Israel Ezekiel 4:4-5 .... In Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28 YAH warns that the punishment upon them would be Seven times more if they did not repent, and our fathers' didn't repent and we are scattered until this day.
The last of the captives of the Northern Tribes were taken away, conquered completely in 721 BC and exiled from the land.
390 years x 7 = 2730 years
721 BC until 2009 AD
and something did happen in 2009 that strongly suggest that was the beginning of the last week of years, heading into the 1 day 1 year Judgment of the Nations Isaiah 34:8 Because unless these days are shortened, it is possible that no flesh would survive
There has been a lot of chatter going around lately that a nuclear war is on the horizon, to much to dismiss this consideration, watch and pray always... Come Quickly Adonai YESHUA
Ecclesiastes 11:2 Give a serving to seven, and also to eight,
For you do not know what evil will be on the earth.
The Offense of Judah then and now Luke 19:44
The Offence of Ephraim then and now Hosea 8:12
Peter wants to make something crystal clear, so he is inspired to say do not be Ignorant about this one thing " one day is to YHWH as a thousand years, or if you prefer a thousand Years is one day to YHWH 2 Peter 3:8
Now that you are Informed, the day of YHWH is a thousand Years 2 Peter 3:10 (In the Which) at the end of the Messianic Era
Now back to Hosea 6:2 After Two days (2000 years) He will revive us, Both Houses of Jacob.... The Third day is the Millennium, Living in His sight
When did this count begin, from His Birth Luke 2:11, then we have been on Hezekiah type time, from His Baptism Matthew 3:17, or from the Triumphant Entry Matthew 21:5, His Ascension Acts 1:11
2031-32 at the latest by my estimation, but unless those days are shortened, our days, no flesh would survive....
There is another Timeline, It is found in Ezekiel, he is instructed to lay on his side for 390 days, and that each day represents 1 year of iniquity for the house of Israel Ezekiel 4:4-5 .... In Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28 YAH warns that the punishment upon them would be Seven times more if they did not repent, and our fathers' didn't repent and we are scattered until this day.
The last of the captives of the Northern Tribes were taken away, conquered completely in 721 BC and exiled from the land.
390 years x 7 = 2730 years
721 BC until 2009 AD
and something did happen in 2009 that strongly suggest that was the beginning of the last week of years, heading into the 1 day 1 year Judgment of the Nations Isaiah 34:8 Because unless these days are shortened, it is possible that no flesh would survive
There has been a lot of chatter going around lately that a nuclear war is on the horizon, to much to dismiss this consideration, watch and pray always... Come Quickly Adonai YESHUA
Ecclesiastes 11:2 Give a serving to seven, and also to eight,
For you do not know what evil will be on the earth.
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Matthew 4:4
That's right.
For regarding 2 Peter 3:10-13, in the day of the Lord will occur the destruction of heaven (the 1st heaven: the sky/atmosphere) and the earth (its surface) at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11, Revelation 21:1). And this will be followed by the creation of a new atmosphere and surface for the earth (2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1) onto which New Jerusalem, God the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:2-3), will descend from the 3rd heaven (Revelation 21:2-3).
But the day of the Lord won't (as is sometimes claimed) immediately bring the destruction of the earth's atmosphere and surface. For the day of the Lord will begin at Jesus' still-unfulfilled 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8) as a thief (2 Peter 3:10a, Revelation 16:15). And after his 2nd coming, he will establish his kingdom physically on the earth with the physically resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21).
And after the 1,000 years, the Gog/Magog rebellion will occur (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39). And after its defeat, at least 7 more years will occur (Ezekiel 39:9b), before the earth's atmosphere and surface are destroyed at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11). All of these events, from Jesus' 2nd coming to the great white throne judgment, will be part of the day of the Lord. For it is not a 24-hour day, but to God is like a 1,000-year "day" (2 Peter 3:8).
Regarding 2031-32, that is indeed possible. And Jesus could return even earlier. For Matthew 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation which would see the 1948 AD reestablishment of Israel, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34; cf. Matthew 21:19,43, Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9), won't pass, i.e. won't die off completely, until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Psalms 90:10), or 120 years (Genesis 6:3).
This doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that the 2nd coming will occur right before, like one year before, that generation will pass: i.e. 69, or 79, or 119 years after 1948: in 2017, 2027, or 2067. And if the tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) will last 7 years (Daniel 9:27), the tribulation's 1st year didn't have to be in 2011, and won't have to be in 2021 or 2061, but could be in a future year (e.g. 2020) earlier than 2021.
Matthew 24:34 could also include the meaning that the figurative, all-times generation of the elect (Matthew 24:22, Luke 16:8b; 1 Peter 2:9, Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4) won't pass away from the earth during the future tribulation of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 18, but that some of the elect will survive (Matthew 24:22) until Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
Regarding "unless those days are shortened, our days, no flesh would survive":
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
This can mean that all flesh on the earth would die if the Lord hadn't already shortened, as in "he hath shortened" (Mark 13:20b), the number of days of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. That is, the Lord could have already determined, from the beginning of Creation (cf. Isaiah 46:10), that he will return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). And the Lord will return "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), immediately after its final event, the worldwide destruction during the 7th vial (Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6). So Mark 13:20 can mean that if the Lord hadn't shortened the number of days of the tribulation, all flesh on the earth would die during the 7th vial's aftermath, which could be a nuclear-winter scenario (which the Lord will miraculously prevent at his return) brought on by the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire nuking the cities of the nations at the 7th vial (Revelation 17:16-17a, Revelation 16:19).
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I would like to preface the following, first to myself, and say it is not desired by me Amos 5:18 these things though - put in-between a sharp rock and a sharp rock
There are two verses in all of Scripture where the words Zion and Vengeance occur in the same verse.
Jeremiah 50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of YHWH our Elohim, the vengeance of His temple. > 6
Isaiah 34:8 For it is the day of YHWH's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. > 6 (12)
2016
A1 - Z26
1260 One thousand two hundred sixty ~ 365
Isaiah 4:5 ~ Luke 21:36 ~ Ezekiel 20:35 ~ Revelation 12:6, 14 ~ Exodus 19:4
There are two verses in all of Scripture where the words Zion and Vengeance occur in the same verse.
Jeremiah 50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of YHWH our Elohim, the vengeance of His temple. > 6
Isaiah 34:8 For it is the day of YHWH's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. > 6 (12)
2016
A1 - Z26
1260 One thousand two hundred sixty ~ 365
Isaiah 4:5 ~ Luke 21:36 ~ Ezekiel 20:35 ~ Revelation 12:6, 14 ~ Exodus 19:4
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Matthew 4:4
Regarding Amos 5:18-20, note that it refers to an ancient day of the Lord, like, for example, the ancient day of the Lord in Jeremiah 46:2,10. For in its context, Amos 5:18-20 is addressing the ancient northern kingdom of Israel (Amos 5:1,4-6,21-27) before God brought punishment and defeat to it (Amos 2:6,14-16, Amos 3:1 to 5:27) in 722 BC at the hands of the ancient Assyrians, who took Israel into captivity into Assyria, "beyond Damascus" (Amos 5:27).
The future day of the Lord (Christ) (2 Thessalonians 2:2) will begin at the Lord Jesus Christ's 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, "immediately after" the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), which is when the rapture (the gathering together) of the church will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
Regarding "1260 One thousand two hundred sixty", note that the 1,260 days, the 42 months, and the "time, and times, and half a time" are all the same time period in the prophecies of Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 13:5, Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 12:7. They will be 1,260 literal days, just as, for example, the 3 days in the fulfilled prophecies of Luke 9:22 and Luke 18:33 were literal days, and the 3 days in the fulfilled prophecies of Genesis 40:13 and Genesis 40:19 were literal days, and the 70 years in the fulfilled prophecy of Jeremiah 25:11-12 (Daniel 9:2) were literal years (Zechariah 7:5), and the 400 years in the fulfilled prophecy of Genesis 15:13 were literal years.
The literal 1,260-day time period will be the time of the Antichrist's Luciferian/Satanic worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13). The myriad details of these chapters have never been fulfilled, not even during a past time period of 1,260 years, as historicism mistakenly claims. But these details must be fulfilled (Revelation 1:1). So they will be fulfilled in our future, after the also-never-fulfilled details of Revelation chapters 6 to 10 are fulfilled in our future.
Regarding Isaiah 4:5, note that it can be millennial.
Regarding Luke 21:36, it should be pointed out that it doesn't (as is sometimes claimed) require a pre-tribulation rapture. For some in the church will escape all of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 by dying before it begins (Isaiah 57:1). And others in the church will escape all of it by being physically protected on the earth during it (Revelation 12:14-16, Psalms 91). Those who will escape it by dying before it begins will stand before the Lord in heaven (cf. Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8). And those who will escape it by being miraculously protected on the earth during it will stand before the Lord in the sky at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17), which won't occur until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
Also, while at the future point in time of Revelation 7:2-4, only the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church (Revelation 14:1,4) will be sealed for physical protection, all obedient people in the church will still be spiritually protected during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, no matter what happens to them physically (Romans 8:35-37). Also, before Revelation 7:2-4 happens, the 144,000, along with some others, will be physically protected so that they will survive the tribulation's 1st stage (in Revelation 6), while others will die and their souls will enter heaven (Revelation 7:9,14). It is near the end of this 1st stage that the 144,000 will be sealed (Revelation 7:3-4) for physical protection before the unsealing of the 7th seal (Revelation 8:1), out of which will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-2). The first 6 trumpets' events, up to Revelation 9:19, will be the tribulation's 2nd stage. The seal which the 144,000 will receive (which will be different from and in addition to the seal of the Holy Spirit himself which they and all others in the church receive: Ephesians 1:13) will physically protect them during this 2nd stage (Revelation 9:4).
After this 2nd stage, the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church will be caught up in their mortal bodies as the "man child" to God's throne in heaven (Revelation 12:5, Revelation 14:4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11). Right after the 144,000 are caught up, the tribulation's 3rd stage, the literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will begin (Revelation 12:5-6). This time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5-18, Revelation 14:9-13).
The 144,000 will remain in heaven before God's throne (Revelation 14:5, Textus Receptus) during the time of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 14:9-13, Revelation 13:5-18), while 2 other parts of the church will still be on the earth: the figurative "woman" who represents those in the church who will flee into prepared wilderness places and be physically protected (Revelation 12:6,14-16); and the remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17), those in the church who will remain in the cities and not be physically protected, but will be persecuted in every nation, imprisoned, and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).
After the Antichrist's reign is declared legally over at the sounding of the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15), the 7 plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath will come out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1). These vials (Revelation 16) will be the tribulation's 4th and final stage. Because the church isn't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9), none of these vials will be directed at those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time, still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). Instead, they will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:7). So some in the church will survive the entire future tribulation on the earth. They are those who will still be "alive and remain" at Jesus' 2nd coming to be raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). These survivors will have experienced God's miraculous physical protection (Psalms 91) without having to have been part of the 144,000.
Regarding Ezekiel 20:35, note that Ezekiel 20:34-38 will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming, and can refer to Jesus judging the surviving, genetic Israelites who didn't get saved before his 2nd coming (cf. also Ezekiel 34:11-16).
Regarding Revelation 12:6,14, note that the woman in Revelation 12 represents the church (which is Israel: Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). For she is clothed with the sun (Revelation 12:1) of righteousness (Malachi 4:2) through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the church clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8). And the moon under her feet (Revelation 12:1) represents Satan under her feet (Romans 16:20) as she overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the crown of 12 stars on her head (Revelation 12:1) represents the 12 apostles (of Matthew 10:2-4, Acts 1:16-26), who have been placed over the church (1 Corinthians 12:28).
Her giving birth to the "man child", and his being caught up to the throne of God (Revelation 12:5) immediately before she flees into the wilderness for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6), represents the future, mid-tribulation catching up of the 144,000 male-virgins part of the church in their mortal bodies to the throne of God in heaven (Revelation 14:1,4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).
Her fleeing into and remaining in a protected wilderness place for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6,14) represents those in the church who will flee into and remain in divinely-protected wilderness places during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), which will occur during the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.
The remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17) represents those in the church during that time who won't flee into wilderness places, but will remain in the cities and be persecuted in every nation, and be imprisoned and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).
Also, Genesis 37:9-10 isn't (as is sometimes claimed) being referred to in Revelation 12:1. For in Revelation 12:1, the church/Israel isn't clothed with the man Jacob (Genesis 37:9-10), but with the sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2), through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the church/Israel clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8, cf. also Revelation 21:2,9,12). Also, the church/Israel doesn't have the woman Rachel under her feet (Genesis 37:9-10), but Satan (Romans 16:20), as the church/Israel overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the church/Israel doesn't have Jacob's 12 sons placed over her (Genesis 37:9-10), but the 12 apostles (1 Corinthians 12:28, Matthew 10:2, Acts 1:26), each one of whom will rule over one of her 12 tribes (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).
Regarding Exodus 19:4, it brings to mind Revelation 12:14, where the woman (the church/Israel) being given "two wings of a great eagle" is symbolic of God giving her strength to flee (Isaiah 40:31), and God guiding her where to flee, just as in the Exodus of Israel from Egypt (Exodus 19:4, Deuteronomy 32:11-12).
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Bible+2cents - Fellows like you never seem to catch on, It's actually very simple, now pay attention Hey
How do you do ... Now please stop posting in this thread, try a thread of your own if you like....Just take a break for a few months or longer from pestering me ~ capeesh....
How do you do ... Now please stop posting in this thread, try a thread of your own if you like....Just take a break for a few months or longer from pestering me ~ capeesh....
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The first mention of two-states in Israel was by george w bush in his roadmap to peace speech on 6/24/2002
a Covenant with Many, the quartet, Russia, the USA, European Union and the UN
The destruction of the second temple on 8/4/70 until the Roadmap for peace speech by gw bush was 705,609 days
705609 days /31102 verses ~ 21,365th vs. Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith Adonai YHWH; Surely in the fire of My jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed My land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
The Judgment of the nations is for dividing His Land Joel 3:2
A Covenant that was confirmed by obama, for which he was given a prize.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-times-of-the-nations.7956666/page-2#post-69936540
a Covenant with Many, the quartet, Russia, the USA, European Union and the UN
The destruction of the second temple on 8/4/70 until the Roadmap for peace speech by gw bush was 705,609 days
705609 days /31102 verses ~ 21,365th vs. Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith Adonai YHWH; Surely in the fire of My jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed My land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
The Judgment of the nations is for dividing His Land Joel 3:2
A Covenant that was confirmed by obama, for which he was given a prize.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-times-of-the-nations.7956666/page-2#post-69936540
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The state of the nation - The daughter of babylon - the usa
Jeremiah 51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of YHWH.
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And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the Shemuah that shall be heard in the land; Shemuah shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a Shemuah , and violence in the land, ruler against ruler.
Shemuah - Hear and Obey Report 1
Jeremiah 51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of YHWH.
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And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the Shemuah that shall be heard in the land; Shemuah shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a Shemuah , and violence in the land, ruler against ruler.
Shemuah - Hear and Obey Report 1
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