The Third Seal may be imminent

[Jeffwhosoever]

Sure seems like tribulation may occur soon.

This video is about the impending famine caused by the Ukrainian war and not being able to export grain via the black sea, which shows no signs of abating. And this is only one factor in a famine that is developing.

 

[Hammster]

Third seal happened already. Sometime in the first century.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Third seal happened already. Sometime in the first century.

I know that is the Preterist view. But Scripture in Revelation implies a much more worldwide famine than the one Israel experienced during the destruction of AD 70. In addition, I keep finding more evidence of an AD 95 dating of Revelation than AD 70.

What are the seven seals of Revelation? | GotQuestions.org

Check out the chart here: Date of Revelation | Evidence Unseen

I think it is also possible that there was a partial fulfillment of the 3rd seal and a future worldwide fulfillment still to come.

 

[Hammster]

I know that is the Preterist view. But Scripture in Revelation implies a much more worldwide famine than the one Israel experienced during the destruction of AD 70. In addition, I keep finding more evidence of an AD 95 dating of Revelation than AD 70.

What are the seven seals of Revelation? | GotQuestions.org

Check out the chart here: Date of Revelation | Evidence Unseen

I think it is also possible that there was a partial fulfillment of the 3rd seal and a future worldwide fulfillment still to come.

It’s the preterist view because it was actually fulfilled in the first century as John said it would.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I understand the Preterist view but I think the Futurist view is most consistent with Scripture.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's really hard to tell when one of the seals is released because the only obvious one is the sixth seal when everyone sees God revealed in the sky and starts panicking.

 

[Hammster]

I understand the Preterist view but I think the Futurist view is most consistent with Scripture.

No. Based on the threads I’ve read, you all can’t even be consistent with each other, let alone with scripture. And mostly, you avoid the OT references in Revelation and instead rely on current events.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No. Based on the threads I’ve read, you all can’t even be consistent with each other, let alone with scripture. And mostly, you avoid the OT references in Revelation and instead rely on current events.

The OT and NT prophecies that look similar are not congruent. Too many variables are "off" so they need to be treated as separate prophecies.

 

[Hammster]

The OT and NT prophecies that look similar are not congruent. Too many variables are "off" so they need to be treated as separate prophecies.

My point being that Revelation is very Jewish in its writing. The OT references in Rev are extreme. There are anywhere from 400 to 1000. You have to understand it by understanding the OT. That’s the Bible the original audience had, so they would get the references. Proper hermeneutics are extremely important here.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

My point being that Revelation is very Jewish in its writing. The OT references in Rev are extreme. There are anywhere from 400 to 1000. You have to understand it by understanding the OT. That’s the Bible the original audience had, so they would get the references. Proper hermeneutics are extremely important here.

The thing is, the book of revelation even says "The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy" - this explains why there is so much confusion over this book, people see a prophecy and try to play fortune teller. However, that's not the central thesis. The thesis of the prophecy is not what happens, but the testimony of Jesus. If the understanding of the contents of the book of revelation do not amount to a testimony of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, then the blessing to those who understand is missed.

I'd rather just receive the blessing, than be struck with confusion like I used to.

 

[Petros2015]

 

[Ligurian]

I know that is the Preterist view. But Scripture in Revelation implies a much more worldwide famine than the one Israel experienced during the destruction of AD 70. In addition, I keep finding more evidence of an AD 95 dating of Revelation than AD 70.

What are the seven seals of Revelation? | GotQuestions.org

Check out the chart here: Date of Revelation | Evidence Unseen

I think it is also possible that there was a partial fulfillment of the 3rd seal and a future worldwide fulfillment still to come.

"The first seal. The first seal introduces the Antichrist (Revelation 6:1-2). From the biblical description, we gather several details: he rides a white horse, which speaks of peace; at the beginning of the tribulation, the Antichrist will come under the pretense of bringing peace to the world (cf. Daniel 9:27). He is given a crown, which indicates that the Antichrist will exercise great authority (cf. Daniel 7:24-25). He holds a bow, which shows his true intentions, and he advances “as a conqueror bent on conquest” (Revelation 6:2)."--from your link What are the seven seals
toxon = from the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):--bow.

Is it really about a bow-and-arrow? I think it matches this:

Zechariah 1:20 And the Lord shewed me four artificers. 21 And I said, What are these coming to do? And he said, These are the horns that scattered Juda, and they broke Israel in pieces, and none of them lifted up his head: and these are come forth to sharpen them for their hands, even the four horns, the nations that lifted up the horn against the land of the Lord to scatter it.(Zacharias, LXX)
tekton = from the base of timoria; an artificer (as producer of fabrics), i.e. (specially), a craftsman in wood:--carpenter.

Zechariah 2:1-8 And I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a man and in his hand a measuring line.[2] And I said to him, Whither goest thou? And he said to me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth of it, and what is the length of it.[3] And, behold, the angel that spoke with me stood by, and another angel went forth to meet him,[4] and spoke to him, saying, Run and speak to that young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be fully inhabited by reason of the abundance of men and cattle in the midst of her.[5] And I will be to her, saith the Lord, a wall of fire round about, and I will be for a glory in the midst of her.[6] Ho, ho, flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I will gather you from the four winds of heaven, saith the Lord,[7] even to Sion: deliver yourselves, ye that dwell with the daughter of Babylon.[8] For thus saith the Lord Almighty; After the glory has He sent Me to the nations that spoiled you: for he that touches you is as one that touches the apple of His eye.(Zacharias, LXX)

Revelation 10:9-11--Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God and the altar and them that worship therein.KJV

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In terms of a bow and arrow, all the nations have long range missiles, (and they tend to be colored "white" so who's your antichrist? who?

oh no all of the nations are antichrists, so if there's only supposed to be one, the prophecy doesn't apply in this time period.

 

[Jamdoc]

Sure seems like tribulation may occur soon.

Should slap a futurist only tag unless you want preterists derailing the thread.
But yeah.
I agree
2020 seems like something flipped and the nagging suspicion is that it was the first seal. The entire world shut down like never before.
and the post cold war peace.. poof, it's gone, like it just got yanked away.
now we're looking at famine and economic collapse.
... and possibly nuclear war on its heels.

 

[Prophecy Prepper]

I understand the Preterist view but I think the Futurist view is most consistent with Scripture.

I'm with u Jeff...Jesus did tell us "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." (Matthew 24:7-8). The wars and famines have indeed started, and will get much worse and more frequent, just like the pains a woman experiences when giving birth. Famine is coming! Stock up, before it's too late! God wants his people to, in some cases share food with others who didn't prepare...along with the GOSPEL! U think they might listen if you give them their first decent meal in a week?

 

[3 Resurrections]

"The first seal. The first seal introduces the Antichrist (Revelation 6:1-2).

Not really. The white horse rider is Christ, with a crown (of His high priesthood) given to Him by God on His resurrection day. Christ and His gospel went forth conquering and to conquer after His resurrection. "We are more than conquerors through Him that loved us", Paul said.

That crown on the head of the resurrected Christ is again showed to us in Revelation 14:14. "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle." This was the newly-crowned Christ having just been resurrected, and who then harvested the Matthew 27:52-53 saints out of their graves that same day.

Daniel 7:13-14 also has the newly-resurrected and ascended Christ being given a kingdom by the Ancient of Days. The Son of Man being given a kingdom means He was given the crown of his high priesthood on that occasion.

We see this crowned, white horse rider again in Revelation 19. It's not the Antichrist. The Antichrist only attempts to exalt himself - not that he is given a crown by anyone.

Since this first seal applied to the newly-resurrected, victorious Christ in the first century, the timing of that first seal dictates the timing of the rest of the seals, which followed in relatively short order afterward.

The second seal was fulfilled by the Zealot factions that were present in Christ's days, that grew ever stronger in Israel prior to the AD 66 rebellion against Rome breaking out. This was to "take peace from the earth" in the civil war conditions that were instigated by the Zealots against their own countrymen.

The third seal depicting famine conditions in the world was first prophesied by Christ in Luke 21:11, and then repeated by Agabus in Acts 11:27-28, which took place in the days of Claudius Caesar. Periods of famines and pestilences in "divers places" were a feature of the first century, leading up to that most intense period of famine in Jerusalem during the AD 70 Roman siege when people were dying by the cartload.

 

[Hammster]

I'm with u Jeff...Jesus did tell us "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." (Matthew 24:7-8). The wars and famines have indeed started, and will get much worse and more frequent, just like the pains a woman experiences when giving birth. Famine is coming! Stock up, before it's too late! God wants his people to, in some cases share food with others who didn't prepare...along with the GOSPEL! U think they might listen if you give them their first decent meal in a week?

Did you know that there were wars and famines in the first century?

 

[Petros2015]

Did you know that there were wars and famines in the first century?

536 AD good candidate too; volcanic eruption darkens planetary ecology, plagues

Worth listening to the end; I was pleasantly surprised with something inspiring.

 

[Hammster]

536 AD good candidate too; volcanic eruption darkens planetary ecology, plagues

Worth listening to the end; I was pleasantly surprised with something inspiring.

The think about first century was that it actually happened within the generation that Jesus said it would.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

"Fatal Flaw: Hermeneutical Compromise But once preterists have argued this point, they are in trouble because there are several events in Matthew 24 that clearly have not happened. Thus they are forced to spiritualize those events. All forms of preterism, some more than others, have to rely on figurative interpretation. John Noe, for example, defends non-literal interpretation of prophecy as follows: “The popular stream of endsayers has assumed that the Bible’s apocalyptic language must be interpreted literally and physically, and that since no one has witnessed a cataclysmic, earth-ending event of this nature, its time must lie in the future.”30 The result of the compromise of the heremeneutical integrity thus results in bizarre interpretations such as noted above of 2 Pet 3:10. Preterists take much of the Olivet Discourse figuratively. Matt 24:27 reads, “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (NKJV). Actually, the passage is teaching that Christ’s coming will not be local only, but public and grandiose. But moderate preterist Gentry says that the lightning is a picture of “the Roman armies marching toward Jerusalem from an easterly direction.”31 In verse 30 of Matthew 24, the Lord teaches that at the second coming, “all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (NKJV). But Gentry insists that “this is not a physical, visible coming, but a judgment coming upon Jerusalem. They ‘see’ it in the sense that we ‘see’ how a math problem works: with the ‘eye of understanding’ rather than the organ of vision.” 32 In this figurative sense, the prophetic events of the Olivet Discourse were fulfilled in A.D. 70 when the Romans captured and destroyed Jerusalem."

https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj13f.pdf