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It says what man esteems
Rom. 14: 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
When did man replace God? When did faith come by man or faith void the law Rom3:31 When can man remove God’s sanctification and blessing, verse please We are told we can’t Num 23:20
The covenant was ratified at the death of Jesus. Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant. Had there been a change to one of God’s commandments Jesus would need to die all over again, but His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10. It’s one reason we need to be careful with Paul writings 2Peter3:16. Paul did not come to destroy God’s times and laws, that is not the spirit that comes from God He warned us about Dan7:25
Its a matter of not understanding the 4th commandment.One day in 7? Why not everyday all day long?
I guess we shall see if one of God's commandments, that He sanctified and made holy and said Remember Exo20:8-11 that all His commandments are Truth Psa119:151 suddenly God's Truth became untruth. God's Testimony written by the Holy Spirit of Truth is 9 Truths and 1 untruth, the one commandment that points to God as our Creator and Sanctifier and tells us the God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev 14:7 Eze20:12 , that's the one that is not truth.Departing from the plain reading of Scripture and presenting a cacophony of references doth not Truth make.
My spouse would be more than dissapointed with only one day a weekI think you have the wrong idea about God’s Sabbath. The Sabbath is about spending time with God on the day God set aside as holy time for us to do so. It’s not about earning anything, it’s about wanting to spend time with God because we love Him, instead of using that holy and sanctified time doing secular things when God asked us not to Isa58:13 Exo20:8-11. The Sabbath is part of the gospel message and has always been. Heb4:1-10, Rev 14:6-12. Worship the Creator who made the heavens and earth and everything in them Rev14:7 Exo20:11 Resting in Him from sin, obeying Him through faith and love.
It’s no different than spending quality time with our spouse. Would it mean the same if we spent their birthday doing something we wanted to do and would catch up with them on another day that works better for us? I do not think so. God wants to spend time with us, not to punish but to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can’t do this ourselves Isa66:17, we need God
Hmmmm? You ceased on this from my post, "You can't make faith genuine by action." and ignored the rest of what I posted.Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?
Anyone can say Lord Lord, but those with faith actually do what the Lord asks.
James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Faith most certainly is active, not passive. Read Hebrews 11
Did you actually think that I meant faith was passive from these words? Are you actually trying to say that our works produce faith with the texts you have posted. Once we set up focus on the law as our righteousness then we open ourselves to the pride of life and actually lose power to understand and obey God. Saying the "I keep the Sabbath." Or I am one of God's remenent people because I keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus. The "I" in us becomes our focus. Every text you pointed out highlights the fact that right actions come from right faith and not the other way around. We must abide in the Vine first and then we will produce much fruit.Right action is a natural outgrowth of faith in the right thing. What is God's word to you? Is it only the law?
I think many "commandment keepers" do the same thing but decieve themselves into thinking that thier obedience is not the same as the pharasees. Sabbath is a good example. One can yell to high heavens that they are a "Sabbath Keeper." It is their moniker and what they post about most of the time. Yet under the New Covanent the sabbath has scant mention as being salvific. Further more, as this thead posited, the specifics of how this day is to be kept is almost never mentioned. Each sabbath keeper has set up their own rules and interpretations about the sabbath and most ignore certian parts of the bible's demands in regards to how it is to be kept. When questioned about this they metaphorically cry louder, "I am a Sabbath Keeper." That seems to be the important thing.They did not do what God asked, I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible. They followed what they thought was right and wrong made up their own rules and laws and laid aside the commandments of God which Jesus condemned. Mat 15:1-14 Mark 7:7-13. Rom 2:21-23 Lets not follow their same path of disobedience. He said those who teach and follow this teaching end up in a ditch.
Titus 3:5 – “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
Everyone who has not been saved is spritually dead and cannot know the things of God. Salvation must happen first. We must be born again, not by our will but by God's will.No one is going to have a changed heart by worshipping another god. The very first commandment and no one is going to have a changed heart without the sanctification of God, which the 4th commandment is a sign of Eze20:12 and tells us which God to only worship Exo20:11
Do you believe someone is saved if they are in rebellion to God and willfully sinning?
You insert this meaning into the posts you read. No where have I seen this thought posted or even hinted at. You need to clear such thoughts from your head before you spend your time fighting a strawman. If you think that any text from a poster is promoting what you are implying, then quote the actual post.Did Jesus fufill the law so we can worship other gods? I do not believe that is what He had in mind or breaking the least of these commandments as He plainly stated Mat5:19
This is because you read it backwards and you assume that he is refering to the Ten Commandments. Jesus is not saying, If you keep the Ten Commandments it will make you love me. He is saying that if you love him then you will be obeying him. Take a plant for instance. I look at it and guess that it is a tomato plant but I am unsure.You again are not making sense when you say, ‘trusting rules rather than Christ’ Didn’t Christ give the rules? We keep His rules because we trust Him and said to If we love Him. John14:15 And if we do not keep His rules, it means we do not trust Him or love Him nor do we know Him 1John2:4 because Jesus said keeping them was a condition of our love why He said IF. So basically you are pitting Jesus against what He asks of us if we love Him. It’s nonsensical.
You and I are way to guilty of judging others with statements like this. It is the flesh crying out, "I am better than these people." But are we?Sadly not everyone does love Him enough to subit to what He asks and thats the issue. People love their sins more than they love Jesus to come to Him and forsake their sins or turn from sin Pro28:13 John3:19–21.
This must be because your way of understanding it is the only true and correct way. This is a failing of the human heart.Its a matter of not understanding the 4th commandment.
So are you really willing to "Let God be God?" As you concieve of him? Are you really going to advocate for the fourth commandment from the book of Exodus, a time under the old covanent? Are you truly prepared to do all God commands about the sabbath or are you just going to do parts you approve of and ignore the ones you don't.We should worship God 365 24/7 I read my Bible and pray daily, but that doesn't mean we do not keep the 4th commandment.
The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath day, its a commandment for all days.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
God understands we need to pay bills, clean house, go to work, workout, sports activities, gardening, laundry, or whatever other secular activities we do. He only asks for 1 day back and was specific what day that is but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
The Sabbath God commanded, not suggested, we cease our work and labors so we can keep the entire day Holy
“Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Its best to let God be God and do what He asks because we trust that He knows what's best for us. If everyone kept Sabbath 24/7 365 the way God asked, we would all starve and be dead. Why He asked just for one day, the seventh day, sanctified just one day, the seventh day, but sadly that's too much for many.
No, Paul is misunderstood as is Romans 14 and Paul is not the way, Jesus is John 14:6Romans 14 should be our rule.
Quoting Scripture of what God people do is not judging. I never accused anyone personally of anything, but of we feel condemned by what God says, perhaps its time to make adjustments.John 14:6
You and I are way to guilty of judging others with statements like this. It is the flesh crying out, "I am better than these people." But are we?
Departing from the plain reading of Scripture and presenting a cacophony of references doth not Truth make.
“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
Why do you keep plucking out the 4th commandment, there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.This must be because your way of understanding it is the only true and correct way. This is a failing of the human heart.
So are you really willing to "Let God be God?" As you concieve of him? Are you really going to advocate for the fourth commandment from the book of Exodus, a time under the old covanent? Are you truly prepared to do all God commands about the sabbath or are you just going to do parts you approve of and ignore the ones you don't.
You give quotes but are they just select ones? Lets really see if you endorse all of God's law or just parts.
Death Penalty (Exodus 31:14–15)
“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
Of course because they way you understand it is true and righteous, where as the spiritual rubes around you are cluless. Such is our human hubris and yes, I suffer from that too but I have come to believe it is a sin that God is growing me out of.A lot of conjecture so I am going to only address a couple things than I am going to move on.
No, Paul is misunderstood as is Romans 14 and Paul is not the way, Jesus is John 14:6
Has it escaped you that Romans 14 is the second one of the royal law? It is a practical guide on loving your neighbour christian.This should be our rules
Matthew 22:37–40, Mark 12:29–31
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment.
Love your neighbor as yourself.” This is the second commandment, and it is like the first.
Really? A Manual on How to Love God? Do you really believe this approach? "How to Love God in Four Easy Steps" Of course if you broke any of these, you could be put to death. So is God saying love me or die.These are the summary of the Ten Commandments
The first 4 how to love God the last 6 how to love others.
That is what you hear, but that is not what is being said. In a nut shell, what is being said is, "don't depend on them for your rigteousness or salvation." They are the fruit but not the tree.If everyone was keeping these commandments the way Jesus taught Mat5:19-30 there would be no more sin in the world. There are no other commandments that do not fall under one of these categories as they are exceedingly broad Psa 119:165. Its the Testimony of God and sadly all I hear man do is try to tear them down
You are constantly implying that your interpretations are the correct ones, while others are "sadly" wrong.Quoting Scripture of what God people do is not judging. I never accused anyone personally of anything, but of we feel condemned by what God says, perhaps its time to make adjustments.
Yes, we have to cooperate with God, not everyone does Rom8:7-8Of course because they way you understand it is true and righteous, where as the spiritual rubes around you are cluless. Such is our human hubris and yes, I suffer from that too but I have come to believe it is a sin that God is growing me out of.
Has it escaped you that Romans 14 is the second one of the royal law? It is a practical guide on loving your neighbour christian.
Really? A Manual on How to Love God? Do you really believe this approach? "How to Love God in Four Easy Steps" Of course if you broke any of these, you could be put to death. So is God saying love me or die.
1 John 4:19
“We love Him, because He first loved us.”
Romans 5:8
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
We need a new heart to lve God and praise be to Him: He gives it to us.
Ezekiel 36:26–27
“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you… and cause you to walk in my statutes.”
I did perhaps it was missedWhy do you not quote and support what God says here? (Exodus 31:14–15)
“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
Because we are discussing the Sabbath. Check out your screen name. So you are willing to jettison Exodus 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. Because it was issued under a theocracy and yet declare Exodus 20:1-17, also issued under the same theocracy, as the binding upon God's people. How can you reconcle this.Why do you keep plucking out the 4th commandment, there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.
So you believe that God say love and obey me or I will kill you forever! That is the essence of what you are posting. I believe that was also the essence of the serpant's accusations in the garden.The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26
Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30
I think things are becoming a bit clearer. In your view God says, "love me or die." I guess if we did that with our own kids, we might have obedient children but I am not sure they would love us. It is a rather harsh view of God.Yes, we have to cooperate with God, not everyone does Rom8:7-8
I did perhaps it was missed
there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.
The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26
Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30
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