The theory of evilution seems to be contradictory.

[As I was saying]

You haven't given us any reason to believe you.

It's also irrelevant.

I am an atheist, I believe the Earth is over four billion years old. You shouldn't believe me because I say so, but I can explain why: the structure and signs of radiometric decay in the rocks of the Earth point to that age; in addition the structure and make up of our Solar system also point to the formation of the Earth four to five billion years ago.

Can you see the difference?

What I can see is that you believe what you believe because you eyes have been blinded by satan as to the truth as the bible says. I have read the stories of notable atheists who read the bible with an open mind and they realised that what they believed was hocus pocus so they gave up atheism and became followers of Jesus and were and are great apologists for the truth of God's word.

One of them was a personal friend of mine who had a brilliant mind, was a Ph.D and the youngest professor of Philosophy at Oxford University at the age of 25. A confirmed atheist, he read the whole bible to be able to discuss it in his Philosophy lectures and as a result he decided that God existed, that Jesus was his son and the Bible was true so he ditched his atheism. He has written so many books on the subject that have gone out all over the world, millions of them. He was well able to because he had a degree as well in the ancient languages of Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I am not trying to make you believe me. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. You asked a question and I answered it. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. if you want to waste your time here asking questions you don't want the answer to be my guest. I have worked out a long time ago that atheists in general do not want answers they want arguments. Well, go ahead and ask away and I will give the answers I want to give, not the ones that you want me to give.

The fact that you have to spend so much time trying to control other people's answers shows how insecure you are.

Lets not get confused here. I don't think you believe the universe is a mere 200 million years old, nor does anyone else around here. There are some who think of a much younger age . . . say 6000 years or so . . . and then there are the others who hold out for 13+ billion years and 4+ billion years for the earth.

But you did claim someone held forth the 200 million year figure. This is something that is a strange number for all concerned. Where did you get that number? Perhaps this claim is a mistake. Sometimes I make mistakes.

 

[As I was saying]

You made the claim that someone said the earth has an absolute age of 200 million years. If you claim that some random internet person told you this, I don't care but why you would bring it up in conversation, I do not know. If you claim you got this from a legitimate scientific source, then I'd love to see that supported.

If you don't care, why are you making such an issue out of it? As for me, I don't care what you would love to see as most conversations with atheists go round in circles and achieve very little other than the atheist trying to be authoritative in claiming "science" as the be all and end all of all life.

For your information, I have a personal and abiding relationship with the greatest scientist of all time. His name Is the Great I Am or as some call him Yahweh, and he has more knowledge in his little finger than all your scientists who have ever lived put together for the simple reason he created those things that they are trying to understand.

 

[crjmurray]

If you don't care, why are you making such an issue out of it? As for me, I don't care what you would love to see as most conversations with atheists go round in circles and achieve very little other than the atheist trying to be authoritative in claiming "science" as the be all and end all of all life.

For your information, I have a personal and abiding relationship with the greatest scientist of all time. His name Is the Great I Am or as some call him Yahweh, and he has more knowledge in his little finger than all your scientists who have ever lived put together for the simple reason he created those things that they are trying to understand.

Again, I'm not an atheist. If you don't want to answer the question that's fine. Just try reading, understanding, comprehending, the posts you are responding to.

 

[As I was saying]

Lets not get confused here. I don't think you believe the universe is a mere 200 million years old, nor does anyone else around here. There are some who think of a much younger age . . . say 6000 years or so . . . and then there are the others who hold out for 13+ billion years and 4+ billion years for the earth.

But you did claim someone held forth the 200 million year figure. This is something that is a strange number for all concerned. Where did you get that number? Perhaps this claim is a mistake. Sometimes I make mistakes.

Here we go again. The same question in a different format. I am autistic on the high end of the scale. One of their features is their memory. They have an elephantine memory but it is very selective. If they remember something they never forget it. If they do not remember something nothing in the world will make them remember it.

I remember reading an article by an atheist where it said the earth was 200 million years old. That was 20 years ago and I still remember it. Now unlike atheists, I don't write down everything I read, especially if it is lodged in my brain which I never forget. I could try and forget I read that but I cannot no matter how hard I try. Once a fact is lodged in my memory it is their to stay. I don't remember who said it but I KNOW it was said.

If that does not satisfy you, that is your problem not mine and I have no intention of retracting the fact. And for your information, I don't care what others think about the age of the earth. I have a personal relationship with the greatest scientist of all time and as yet, he has given me no reason to doubt him.

 

[As I was saying]

Again, I'm not an atheist. If you don't want to answer the question that's fine. Just try reading, understanding, comprehending, the posts you are responding to.

And may I suggest that you try and understand that I have no faith in anything that is not from God because I have no reason to do so. That being the case, you can ask all sorts of questions to try and force me to do what I cannot do and you can throw up all sorts of hypotheses to prove what you believe is right but they are water of a ducks back for me unless my God is behind it all.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Here we go again. The same question in a different format. I am autistic on the high end of the scale. One of their features is their memory. They have an elephantine memory but it is very selective. I they remember something they never forget it. If they do not remember something nothing in the world will make them remember it.

I remember reading an article by an atheist where it said the earth was 200 million years old. That was 20 years ago and I still remember it. Now unlike atheists, I don't write down everything I read, especially if it is lodged in my brain which I never forget. I could try and forget I read that but I cannot no matter how hard I try. Once a fact is lodged in my memory it is their to stay. I don't remember who said it but I KNOW it was said.

If that does not satisfy you, that is your problem not mine and I have no intention of retracting the fact. And for your information, I don't care what others think about the age of the earth. I have a personal relationship with the greatest scientist of all time and as yet, he has given me no reason to doubt him.

Well, there is a possible explanation for this memory. In the days before the discovery of atomic energy, there were estimates around that range for the age of the sun, if powered by the only known source for its energy . . . gravitational contraction. So if you were reading of estimates over a hundred years ago, you could probably find some along that line. In fact, the geologists and the astronomers were at odds about the age of the earth, with the geologists insisting there had to be more years than the astronomers could figure out how to give them. The discovery of atomic energy resolved that problem. And they were atheists, as I recall, having this dispute. (Like you, I'm working on memory alone here).

 

[crjmurray]

And may I suggest that you try and understand that I have no faith in anything that is not from God because I have no reason to do so. That being the case, you can ask all sorts of questions to try and force me to do what I cannot do and you can throw up all sorts of hypotheses to prove what you believe is right but they are water of a ducks back for me unless my God is behind it all.

Glad that we could clarify that you have no support for the "science says the earth is 200 million years old claim".

 

[USincognito]

Yes, that is right. I have been told the age of the earth as being anything from 200 million to 14 billion years old and everything in between by atheists...

I think you're making this up because the age of the earth has been known to be 4.3-4.5 billion years since the 1960s.

 

[USincognito]

Sorry Astrophile, but Wikipedia is not my Bible or source of reference. Anyone can say anything on Wikipedia so making that your source is to say the least, is fraught with dangers and leaves you open to being led up the garden path.

In your effort to hand wave away the information in that Wikipedia entry, you appear to have missed a link to an abstract of an actual scientific paper. Sorry, but the "Wiki isn't reliable" excuse does not actually address the content on the article.

 

[As I was saying]

I think you're making this up because the age of the earth has been known to be 4.3-4.5 billion years since the 1960s.

Do you. Whoopee!

 

[As I was saying]

Glad that we could clarify that you have no support for the "science says the earth is 200 million years old claim".

Glad that I am the sort of person that always believes there is hope for everyone and that one day you will be able to write intelligent comment without sarcasm.

 

[asherahSamaria]

And may I suggest that you try and understand that I have no faith in anything that is not from God because I have no reason to do so. That being the case, you can ask all sorts of questions to try and force me to do what I cannot do and you can throw up all sorts of hypotheses to prove what you believe is right but they are water of a ducks back for me unless my God is behind it all.

"you can throw up all sorts of hypotheses to prove what you believe is right but they are water of a ducks back for me unless my God is behind it all" - great to see such open minded folk here.

 

[As I was saying]

In your effort to hand wave away the information in that Wikipedia entry, you appear to have missed a link to an abstract of an actual scientific paper. Sorry, but the "Wiki isn't reliable" excuse does not actually address the content on the article.

Is that so. The mind boggles. Here we have rabid atheists doing all they can to convince christians on a christian website that we don't know what we are talking about but they do because some esoteric source says this and that so it must be right and all the time we are laughing at your puny efforts to try and convert the unconvertible and the fact that you are too dumb to realise the fact.

You make it very clear that you think you are gifted with all knowledge and all wisdom and anyone who is not an atheist is a dumbo because they don't seem to get excited about the latest scientific announcement which often is not worth the paper is written on as some scientists who are not afraid to be honest have said they write what gets them finance for their pet experiments not what they believe to be the truth.

Unlike the writers of the Bible who were not paid a cent to write what they wrote. They wrote as the Holy Spirit moved them to write and as the Holy Spirit is the one that leads us into all truth, why would I bother with the writings of someone who often leads us into all error.

I have read enough, seen enough, done enough seminars and listened to enough atheists and evolutionaries to know that evolution is complete hogwash and as some of them have admitted it is nothing more than a tool to get God out of the picture. The are just like satan who hates God because he stops him from being top dog. The atheists are just the same. Write God out of the equation and that means we become the god of the universe and we answer only to ourselves.

Consider the absolute mess that mankind has made of this world, no thanks. I would rather have God in the picture as he knows what he is doing.

 

[As I was saying]

"you can throw up all sorts of hypotheses to prove what you believe is right but they are water of a ducks back for me unless my God is behind it all" - great to see such open minded folk here.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Well done. I guess when you have nothing of interest to say that is usually the best that you can do.

 

[As I was saying]

Well, there is a possible explanation for this memory. In the days before the discovery of atomic energy, there were estimates around that range for the age of the sun, if powered by the only known source for its energy . . . gravitational contraction. So if you were reading of estimates over a hundred years ago, you could probably find some along that line. In fact, the geologists and the astronomers were at odds about the age of the earth, with the geologists insisting there had to be more years than the astronomers could figure out how to give them. The discovery of atomic energy resolved that problem. And they were atheists, as I recall, having this dispute. (Like you, I'm working on memory alone here).

What memory?

 

[USincognito]

Is that so. The mind boggles. Here we have rabid atheists doing all they can to convince christians on a christian website{snip}.

Here, let me disabuse you of some misconceptions you apparently are suffering from.

1. If you hover of the pic of me and my cat and click on it you'll be able to see my profile information including the fact that I joined this forum in Dec. 2003. You, on the other hand joined in Jul. 2015. I dare say I have much more familiarity with this forum than you do.

2. There are few if any rabid atheists here. I certainly am not one and I rarely discuss the topic of religion outside of a few social contexts like Creationism and Evolution or Separation of Church and State. The forum has rules against anyone - including atheists - from being too rabid.

3. I hope you felt good banging out the rest of your screed, but to me it was like water off a ducks back.

 

[asherahSamaria]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Well done. I guess when you have nothing of interest to say that is usually the best that you can do.

I was merely pointing out the intransigence of your position - how you deal with that is your own affair.

 

[Shemjaza]

I am not trying to make you believe me. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. You asked a question and I answered it. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. if you want to waste your time here asking questions you don't want the answer to be my guest. I have worked out a long time ago that atheists in general do not want answers they want arguments. Well, go ahead and ask away and I will give the answers I want to give, not the ones that you want me to give.

The Holy Spirit will convince me that atheists think the universe is only 200 million years old?

You seem to be fighting a straw man. If we take you at your word (and your willingness to ascribe motives to us without cause makes that suspect), then one day you read an article by an atheist who was woefully misinformed about the age of the Earth.

No one here is saying you should trust us because we are atheists. We are saying the age of the Earth/Universe is based on scientific evidence.

The fact that you have to spend so much time trying to control other people's answers shows how insecure you are.

You are implying things about us that are unpleasant and untrue.

 

[As I was saying]

I was merely pointing out the intransigence of your position - how you deal with that is your own affair.

Non sequitur