The theory of evilution seems to be contradictory.

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OldWiseGuy

What we do have is a definite physical pattern, male and female, that we can use to try and understand the nature of God.

Hmmm, god works far more mysteriously than that.

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/22/7-gender-bending-animals/

Anemonefish, Parrotfish, and Hawkfish

Some animals don’t just appear to change genders—they actually turn into the opposite sex. Clown anemonefish all start out as male. If the female dies, the dominant male can change sex and become female. Another male will become the dominant male.


Photograph by Brian Skerry, National Geographic

Parrotfish start out as male or female but have sex organs of both sexes; they are protogynous hermaphrodites, meaning they can change from female to male. Some females will become supermales: larger males with brilliant, lively coloring.

Hawkfish in the wild have been shown to be capable of “bi-directional” sex change, going from female to male and back again.

Kind of poetic that the ocean is home to such elegant gender fluidity.​

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What we do have is a definite physical pattern, male and female, that we can use to try and understand the nature of God.

Why would the pattern male & female help understand the nature of an omnipotent, omniscient entity ?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why would the pattern male & female help understand the nature of an omnipotent, omniscient entity ?

Because he created them. A builder can be better understood by observing the things that he or she built. Male/female is the dominant pattern of life of the creation.

My brother-in-law is building his third boat, a cuddy-cabin sailboat. He is doing it for an excuse to get away from my sister (without leaving the house). In the past he would lose himself in a book. Later by building a kayak and a small sailboat. He now needs to really spend a lot of time away from her (she's a good person but will drive you nuts), thus a bigger project.

This is not to say that God is frustrated and needs a project, but to show that there are often hidden meanings in the things people do.

My year around obsession with photographing and hunting deer would certainly qualify as a disorder of some kind by a psychiatrist, but it keeps me sane.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Because he created them. A builder can be better understood by studying the things that he or she built. Male/female is the dominant pattern of life on earth.

In terms of numbers and types (species) of creatures, it is a very tiny minority.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In terms of numbers and types (species) of creatures, it is a very tiny minority.

It is the dominant pattern nonetheless.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

The advantage of genetic recombination (sex of a sorts) is that it suppresses negative or harmful mutations while not needing to prevent any mutations from occuring. It offers a sort of genetic flexibility that is essential for evolution. The key cellular event that created "sex" was the interrupted cell division that produced a Haploid cell. This has just 1/2 of the genes needed to make the entire DNA of the cell. We see that in yeast.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It is the dominant pattern nonetheless.

It depends what pattern you're referring to. In terms of patterns of reproduction (which is what male & female is mainly about), it is, as I said, a very tiny minority. If you pick some particular sort of pattern in which sexual reproduction is dominant (e.g. technology, or warm-bloodedness), then, yes, by definition gender will be dominant... but it seems a strange and tautologous approach. Asexual reproduction is a dominant pattern in terms of numbers of reproducing individuals, biomass, diversity, population count, distribution, etc. (but not organism complexity).

 

[dlamberth]

What we do have is a definite physical pattern, male and female, that we can use to try and understand the nature of God.​

I personally see that male and female pattern as more of a lens into life than as the nature of God.

 

[Shemjaza]

It is the dominant pattern nonetheless.

Why?

Humans are typically male or female, but with creatures that aren't mammals it get much more complicated.

 

[Jimmy D]

What we do have is a definite physical pattern, male and female, that we can use to try and understand the nature of God.

According to Genesis 2 Eve was an afterthought when no suitable 'helper' for Adam could be found from the animals. If anything it tells us that God is not all-knowing.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Bullseye.

You say "bullseye", but it completely undermines your argument.....

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You say "bullseye", but it completely undermines your argument.....

You're statement agrees with me. "Time needs to pass" means that time is a necessary constituent in many processes.

DogmaHunter said: ↑
"We live in a space-time continuum and for events to unfold, time needs to pass."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

According to Genesis 2 Eve was an afterthought when no suitable 'helper' for Adam could be found from the animals. If anything it tells us that God is not all-knowing.

Eve was a type of Lucifer, who was created as God's 'special angel'. God created Lucifer as companion for himself. Adam and Eve were the human types of God and Lucifer; male and female.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You're statement agrees with me. "Time needs to pass" means that time is a necessary constituent in many processes.

DogmaHunter said: ↑
"We live in a space-time continuum and for events to unfold, time needs to pass."

But it strips your argument from any meaning.
This started with this claim of yours:

Every explanation of evolutionary theory includes the element of huge amounts of time. It's the most important part of the recipe. Without millions of years of incremental changes evolution isn't possible, and you're left with..(drumroll).......creation.

Time always needs to pass for anything to unfold.
It is not the "most important part of the recipe" by any means. If it is, then that goes for EVERYTHING that happens in a temporal context.

Which is kind of a weird thing to say.
Time also needs to pass for a rock to fall of a cliff. If not time passes, no falling takes place.

That doesn't warrant the statement "time is the most important part of gravity".
In exactly the same way, the same statement about biology is without any merrit.

To state that time needs to pass for events to unfold is merely stating the obvious and not a problem for those events by any means.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But it strips your argument from any meaning.
This started with this claim of yours:


Time always needs to pass for anything to unfold.
It is not the "most important part of the recipe" by any means. If it is, then that goes for EVERYTHING that happens in a temporal context.

Which is kind of a weird thing to say.
Time also needs to pass for a rock to fall of a cliff. If not time passes, no falling takes place.

That doesn't warrant the statement "time is the most important part of gravity".
In exactly the same way, the same statement about biology is without any merrit.

To state that time needs to pass for events to unfold is merely stating the obvious and not a problem for those events by any means.

You are expanding my comment well beyond what I said, which was, without million of years of time there is no ToE. A mechanic can have all the tools and materials on his bench, but without enough time to fabricate and assemble them the project is impossible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You are expanding my comment well beyond what I said, which was, without million of years of time there is no ToE

Which isn't true either.

The theory of evolution doesn't depend on time in any sense.
The theory of evolution is about certain bio-chemical processes and interaction with the environment.

I guess you are confusing it with evolutionary history on this planet.
Yes, considering the average mutation rate, the vast diversification of life on this planet and the level of "relatedness" between all those species... it demands an old earth.

I, however, don't see why this is a problem either - seeing as just about all independend fields of study converge on the same conclusion: being that the earth is really, really old.

A mechanic can have all the tools and materials on his bench, but without enough time to fabricate and assemble them the project is impossible.

However, the theory on how to put it together isn't dependend on "time" being available.

But again, then in this case it is no problem at all, since the earth provides the time required for evolution to push life to the state it is in today.

So once again, we are left wondering what your point is.
I don't think you have one. Not one supported by evidence anyway.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Eve was a type of Lucifer, who was created as God's 'special angel'. God created Lucifer as companion for himself. Adam and Eve were the human types of God and Lucifer; male and female.

Considering how Lucifer turned out, one would think God would've learned something from the first time.

 

[bhsmte]

You're statement agrees with me. "Time needs to pass" means that time is a necessary constituent in many processes.

DogmaHunter said: ↑
"We live in a space-time continuum and for events to unfold, time needs to pass."

Time needed to pass for you to type this message and for it to be sent.

Was it time that typed the message and sent it via the internet?

 

[TheBear]

The theory of evolution proposes that mankind once lived in the trees of Africa, mankind in the distant past was a tree dwelling primate.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Considering how Lucifer turned out, one would think God would've learned something from the first time.

God did learn. He's teaching us now.