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The Ten Commandments
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I have seen an end of all perfection: [but] thy commandment [is] exceeding broad. Psalms 119:96
There is no sin which the Ten Commandments do not encompass.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4
All sin is born of selfishness. And all rebellion against God's commandments is as the sin of witchcraft:
For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king. 1 Samuel 15:23
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Obviously I cannot dictate what anyone should do. The suggestion was to let them speak what they will.
The forum rules are designed to eliminate sharing the Gospel with others and allowing freedom of inquiry into the matters of truth. There will always be those who come only for debate... I suggest to let them freely do so, it helps anyone [me, especially] to search the scriptures all the more.
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: Philippians 1:16
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. Philippains 1:17
What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Philippains 1:18
Indeed the Apostles did shake off the dust of their feet, but they in so doing did not 'boot' the unbelievers from their city... it was the unbelievers who ran the Apostles out of their city...
...thus they rejected the messages sent unto them.
The zeal is for the love of Christ Jesus, He who came to pluck this brand from the fire...
...I sincerely hope that those who do come, are able to see...able to hear... and love the truth...
...but if all someone has come to do is to merely have strifes and contentions:
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:9
We can pray for them, or avoid if necessary [rarely do I ever do that], and refuse to answer [also rarely], but that does not mean we should then turn them into the forum moderators, for breaking their rules [afterall it is not my rule].
Let them test my faith. "It is written..."
Anyway, not to delve any further, those are my thoughts on this matter. I hope you got my PM on the other subject! I hope you enjoy it.
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why do you chose to follow only the "10 Commandments?" the Law was much more than than that. Now I have been told by my brother who is a SDA member that Jesus only full filled the "Ceremonial Law" Now i have to wonder, did Jesus die for nothing, is Gods grace not enough? The Law can not save you. What about the penalties for breaking the Law?
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k4c
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The Law of God defines godly love and righteousness at its basic level. Every sin and crime committed in the world has its root in God's Law. But thank God because of His grace through the shed blood of Jesus Christ we are no longer under the authority of the Law as it relates to punishment. But the Law still works as it relates to identifying sin.
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!
It's sort of like having diplomatic immunity while in another country. You have to live by the laws of the country you're in but if you break them you are not under the authority of that law as it relates to punisment.
So you are right, the Law can't save us but if we have been saved and justifed by the blood of Christ already He will write the Law on our heart and we will love the Law and desire to live by it, even though we may stumble and fall at times.
1 John 3:7 Little children, do not be deceived. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
Jesus freely makes us righteous through a new birth and since we are now righteous we practice righteousness as part of our new nature.
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
If we don't find ourselves desiring to practice righteousness then maybe we have not born of God, but rather, maybe we have been born of the devil through false teachings.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
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k4c,
The law reveals sin.
Every transgression must receive it just recompense.
The outer man is perishing. The inner man is being renewed day by day.
The dead body must be put away, that the spirit might be saved in the day of Jesus Christ.
The law is designed for the destruction of the dead body, that we might be given an entrance into the eternal life of our resurrected Lord Jesus.
Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law and its work to destroy the dead body. Sin that is in the members of our body is the quality that rises up and puts to death the body. Sin is dormant without the presence of the law. Sin takes occasion by the commandment, when the commandment comes to us, speaking to us.
Our unrighteousness commends the mercy of God through his righteousness and his promises in Jesus Christ to save our spirit and give us a spiritual body that is like Jesus' resurrected body.
Joe
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k4c
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Amen...all throughout our lives.
Amen...the wages of sin is death but God is allowing us to live because of His love for us.
Amen...the inner man delights in the Law.
The outward man dies daily because it's spiritual just like the inward man is spiritual.
The Law, which is designed by it's very nature to bring life, instead brings death because of sin. This death is a good thing because in it, it magnifies God's grace.
Romans 7:7-14 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.'' But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Sin, defined by the Law, has both an imposed consequence and an intrinsic consequence. Since we are no longer under the old covenant there is no imposed conequence for sin but there still remains an intrinsic consequence for sin of both a physical and spiritual nature.
Both our unrighteousness, as well as, our righteousness commends the mercy of God because the wages of sin, back in the garden was death.
When we believe God He declares us righteous even though we are sinners. Once we have been declared righteous through the new birth we get a new nature that desires to practice righteousness and delights in the Law of God even if we fall short.
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
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The more I study the sanctuary the more I begin to see why it is absolutely necessary to understand the sanctuary to have a good understanding of theology in general. The law of God was placed within the Most Holy Place within the ark of the covenant, whereupon the mercy seat (throne of God) was situated. Since the early temple was but a shadow of the heavenly one, one can safely assume that the law of God remains since it is the foundation (if you will) of His throne (government). Just my two cents.
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Amen!
And the two cherubs one of whom is named the 'light bearer' covered the Shekinah glory of God and looked down as if they were looking into the ark at the law of God.
Yet the mystery of iniquity was at work and sin was found in him who among His creation was the most familiar with the character of God that God had plans for the anointed(mashiah) cherub in the redemption of mankind.
Man was created in the image and the likeness of God and he was given a creative intelligence and a dominion unlike the highest of the angels of heaven. He was made to replenish and to replace the fallen. The last and best generation will replace the fallen one. They will have the Father's name written on their foreheads. They will endure Jacob's time of trouble. They will sing the new song of Moses and the Lamb the psalm of experience which the angels do not know. For they have overcome sin and have reproduced Jesus' character to the fullest. For they are the ultimate 'light bearers'. They will dwell in the presence of God forever and go no more out.
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k4c,
Our bodies are under the law. Our spirits are under grace.
Gal 5:4-5
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. KJV
Joe
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OH Please, show me one place in the OT does the word commandments means only the 10?? The context of Ps119:96 proves that "commandment" in this verse also implies :91 Ordinances, :93 Precepts, :95 and testimonies.
This is exhibit A about how commentary rules over truth in context. You're highjacking keywords and mating words out of context.
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OntheDL,
The following testimony of Jesus through Paul is a clear witness.
Rom 7:25
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. KJV
Rom 8:9-10
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. KJV
Rom 8:16
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: KJV
Phil 3:3
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. KJV
Remember what our Lord Jesus told Nicodemus and the woman at the well concerning spirit.
Joe
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What I think is interesting, is that the word law never means just the ten commandments in the OT, and when the law is talked about in the NT, it only means the 10 when it talks about something being done away with. And again, when the law is established in the NT it isn't talking about the 10.
It boggles the mind really
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The spirit the verses you quoted is the spirit of God. You said our bodies are under the law, but our spirits are under grace. I want to know in your definition how our spirits are different from our bodies.
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Again, the commandment is to Love GOD, which then becomes two, Love to God and to Neighbour, which becomes 10, and then spreads out into broadness...
Perhaps [since I cannot know for certain] this "SDA brother" does not yet fully understand what it means for JESUS to "fulfill".
For Christ Jesus indeed fulfilled the Law and sinned not:
"...lamb shall be without blemish..." (Ex. 12:5)
"...the innocent blood..." (Matt. 27:4)
"...I have kept my Father's commandments..." (John 15:10)
"...the obedience of one..." (Rom. 5:19)
"...who knew no sin..." (2 Cor. 5:21)
"...without sin." (Heb. 4:15)
"...[who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners..." (Heb. 7:26)
"Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" (1 Pet. 2:22)
"...in him is no sin." (1 John 3:5)
JESUS also was the anti-type to the types in the ceremonial [ritual] laws. He was thus their fulfillment.
In order for JESUS to fulfill the Royal Law He had to be obedient even unto death and sin not. This He accomplished. This however does not, like the ceremonial laws, end the Royal Law, for it is also to be fulfilled in us:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:2 and see also Galatians 6:2, etc.
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OntheDL,
Rom 8:15-17
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. KJV
This testimony of Jesus is a witness to us of what the Lord gives us to experience in Jesus Christ.
It is not possible to define. But we are given to witness to what our Lord brings to pass in our hearts by the holy Spirit.
John 15:26-27
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. KJV
1 John 2:13
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning... KJV
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. KJV
Joe
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OH Please, show me one place in the OT does the word commandments means only the 10?? The context of Ps119:96 proves that "commandment" in this verse also implies :91 Ordinances, :93 Precepts, :95 and testimonies.
There is local context [immediate chapter], regional context [immediate book] and also a global one [the whole of scripture]. None contradicting the other in doctrine.
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
Is it possible for Christ to fulfill certain jots and tittles while leaving other jots and tittles unfulfilled?
BFA
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