The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

[Elder 111]

2 Timothy 1:9 (King James Version)


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Now Grace is given before the world began or am I reading this wrong? If we allways had grace and certainly we know that Abraham was save by faith Rom 4:9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. Now there was always grace and faith with the law but now We don't need the law? Reminds me of a man who worked on his truck and when he had finished he had parts remaining and decided to work the truck without them. Smart.

 

[bugkiller]

2 Timothy 1:9 (King James Version)


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Now Grace is given before the world began or am I reading this wrong? If we allways had grace and certainly we know that Abraham was save by faith Rom 4:9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. Now there was always grace and faith with the law but now We don't need the law? Reminds me of a man who worked on his truck and when he had finished he had parts remaining and decided to work the truck without them. Smart.

When I work on my truck, I usally have stuff (parts) left over. Turck always seems to work fine. Got 156,000 or so on it too. sometimes I even use old parts. The reason I usually have left over parts is because the old parts don't work and were the source of the problem. Same with the Law of Moses or OC, it has been replaced with different parts (since you refuse to accept it as all new parts).

Say you ever heard of Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

If grace existed in the way you think of grace in relationship to the law, What purpose did the law serve?

Rom 4:15 ...for where no law is, there is no trangression. The law was so that all mankind could be charged or forgiven.

Tell you what you keep the law and except its wages and I'll take the gift and have eternal life. I like the gift mo betta as Toby Keith coined.

bugkiller

 

[Yarddog]

One's thing is for certain. No one has ever or will ever get into heaven "because" they obeyed the 10 Commandments.

 

[visionary]

The fault was with them.. not the Law of God... it is just as perfect as God Himself.

 

[Yarddog]

The fault was with them.. not the Law of God... it is just as perfect as God Himself.

That is why we need grace to cover the fault.

 

[christianmomof3]

In the OT, God and His law were outside of man.
Now, God and His law are within those of us who are His redeemed and regenerated believers.
Romans ch. 8 and the NT does not mean that the law is nullified and we are free to sin and do whatever we please.
It means that the outward law of the OT has been replaced by the inward law of the Spirit of life which is a higher law - the highest law.
It does not mean that we are free to behave worse than under the law.
It means that we must follow even stricter standards from the living Lord Himself.
This law of divine life is shaping us and transforming us into God's image day by day.
This law of the Spirit of life is the indwelling Christ.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death.
This law only operates in us when we are walking by the Spirit.
We must remain in contact with the Lord in order to allow the law of the Spirit of life to work spontaneously within us. Because we still have the law of sin and death in our flesh, we will often fail. The more that we pursue Christ and set our hearts on Him, the more that we will allow the law of the Spirit of life to work in us.
We must pray and turn our hearts to the Lord and contact Him and live in His presence. We must remain in fellowship with other Christians and set our minds on the Spirit. We must put to death the practices of our body. We must love the Lord, cry out to Him and seek Him constantly.
Then we will be constrained by the love of Christ, led by Him and the law of the Spirit of life will spontaneously work in us.

 

[Frogster]

The fault was with them.. not the Law of God... it is just as perfect as God Himself.

Sad they needed the law.
Isn't it interesting,that the power od SIN is the law?

 

[Stryder06]

Sad they needed the law.
Isn't it interesting,that the power od SIN is the law?

Red Button Froggy. "Do not touch"...

Just saying, it's not the buttons fault if you touch it.

 

[bugkiller]

Red Button Froggy. "Do not touch"...

Just saying, it's not the buttons fault if you touch it.

Froggy has enough sense to not touch the red button. He does not have to be told not to touch it, you do. Why is that Stryder? I think it is because Froggy is led by the Spirit and does not perform the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:16-21. Your are not. You receive your commands from the outside and we receive ours from the inside. It is not what goes in that defiles, it is what comes out, referrring to Mat 15:11 of course.

And with this post comes a time to celebrate for me. This is post 1,000. Wow thought I'd never post in the four figures.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Froggy has enough sense to not touch the red button. He does not have to be told not to touch it, you do. Why is that Stryder? I think it is because Froggy is led by the Spirit and does not perform the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:16-21. Your are not. You receive your commands from the outside and we receive ours from the inside. It is not what goes in that defiles, it is what comes out, referrring to Mat 15:11 of course.

And with this post comes a time to celebrate for me. This is post 1,000. Wow thought I'd never post in the four figures.

bugkiller

Exactly. The fact that some sieze the externals,shows that the internals have the opposite,of what they seek to find externally.Romans 7.

You brought out a great point about the Spirit in gal 5.When the Spirit takes the lead,we can tell the flesh to move over rover!

 

[Frogster]

Red Button Froggy. "Do not touch"...

Just saying, it's not the buttons fault if you touch it.

What do you think of that verse though?
If the power of sin is the law,then those who walk under law....will have ???

 

[Stryder06]

What do you think of that verse though?
If the power of sin is the law,then those who walk under law....will have ???

I told you what I think of the verse with my illustration. But you don't want to see it that way because then it'd blow your excuses ...I mean your theory away

 

[Cribstyl]

What do you think of that verse though?
If the power of sin is the law,then those who walk under law....will have ???

It's obvious to me that you want Stryder to apply the scripture to discussion or understanding. You cant make him...

What he calls your theory is actually what scripture declares vs his illustration.

The law gives sin strength because it pronounces guilt, condemnation and a death penalty.
Technically the law has no power, it does not cause or prevent sin.
It only indicates the crime and punishment which is death.

1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.



How can we be under the law when salvation is based on forgiveness of sin?
Thus the scriptures teach that we're not under the law.

 

[Frogster]

I told you what I think of the verse with my illustration. But you don't want to see it that way because then it'd blow your excuses ...I mean your theory away

Hi Scripturelesstryder..that is your new name!
Your ducking the question.Like thumper used to do.

 

[Frogster]

It's obvious to me that you want Stryder to apply the scripture to discussion or understanding. You cant make him...

What he calls your theory is actually what scripture declares vs his illustration.

The law gives sin strength because it pronounces guilt, condemnation and a death penalty. Technically the law has no power, it does not cause or prevent sin. It only indicates the crime and punishment which is death.

1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

How can we be under the law when salvation is based on forgiveness of sin?
Thus the scriptures teach that we're not under the law.

I agree.Your post inspired me to give our pal a new nickname. Scripturelesstryder.

I would love to debate him on the law sin issue,maybe one day,so long as he uses scripture,instead of talking about red buttons.

 

[bugkiller]

It's obvious to me that you want Stryder to apply the scripture to discussion or understanding. You cant make him...

What he calls your theory is actually what scripture declares vs his illustration.

Whew I was beginning to wonder if Frogster and me were the only ones noticing the absence of scripture from stryder. How can you discuss theology without scripture? There is a philosophy board isn't there?

The absence of scripture is one of the major problems with Christianity today. We read everything else but scripture.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Whew I was beginning to wonder if Frogster and me were the only ones noticing the absence of scripture from stryder. How can you discuss theology without scripture? There is a philosophy board isn't there?

The absence of scripture is one of the major problems with Christianity today. We read everything else but scripture.

bugkiller

exacty! Good mornin swatter

 

[Stryder06]

Hi Scripturelesstryder..that is your new name!
Your ducking the question.Like thumper used to do.

Whatever froggy.

You quoted 1 Cor 15:56. I don't disagree with what Paul is saying whatsoever. I like to avoid being redundant, thus after the scripture is presented, I like to try to understand what it is saying. Get my drift. Quoting scripture won't do a thing for you if you don't understand what it is saying, thus the illustrations are presented.

Christ explained scripture with illustrations. But I guess that's where we always part ways. Trying to actually understand what is being said versus what has been taught the scripture is saying.

Think it might be time for me to peace out again before your backup arrives and spoils this moment

 

[Stryder06]

The law gives sin strength because it pronounces guilt, condemnation and a death penalty.
Technically the law has no power, it does not cause or prevent sin.
It only indicates the crime and punishment which is death.

Now that's not fair. I've said the same thing there, in so many words, and it was called commentary and unscriptural. You guys kill me.

 

[Frogster]

Whatever froggy.

You quoted 1 Cor 15:56. I don't disagree with what Paul is saying whatsoever. I like to avoid being redundant, thus after the scripture is presented, I like to try to understand what it is saying. Get my drift. Quoting scripture won't do a thing for you if you don't understand what it is saying, thus the illustrations are presented.

Christ explained scripture with illustrations. But I guess that's where we always part ways. Trying to actually understand what is being said versus what has been taught the scripture is saying.

Think it might be time for me to peace out again before your backup arrives and spoils this moment

well,,I humbly say,that I consider myself a back-up to bugkiller.I don't often take a back seat to anyone,But we all gotta admit,bugkiller knows his stuff