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But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

In the term “fading as IT was” the word IT is referring to the ministry of death. Unless you think we’re still under the ministry of death and it still remains in place.
But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The GLORY of his face because Moses was in the presence of GOD and as Moses left His presence the glory of his face faded as it clearly states.

But if you think Paul is teaching, we no longer have to only worship God and can steal and lie and murder and teach the opposite of what God promised-I will not alter My words Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle can pass Mat 5:18 and is teaching now its ok to sin Rom 7:7 dishonor God Rom 2:21-23 and be an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8 so Jesus will say depart from Me at His Second Coming Mat 7:21-23 we are given free will. Weird Jesus would say one is a hypocrite for obeying their laws over obeying the commandment of God, quoting from the Ten Commandments, calls it worshipping in vain having's one heart far from Him, only to have Paul countermand what He taught. According to Jesus He has all authority Mat 28:18 and the servant is not greater than our Heavenly Master. So even if that was what Paul is teaching, which its not, Paul can't save us, only Jesus can. Even the apostles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29
 
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You claim that others are obeying their own laws instead of the laws of God when you’re doing the exact same thing. You’re not observing ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD.
How do you know what I do? Only God is all knowing, not strangers on the internet.
You’re picking and choosing which laws you want to observe and which ones you don’t want to observe.
Well, lets start with the Ten Commandments- they were never the 10 suggestions or optional choice. So who is picking and choosing? What others laws that Jesus taught and kept am I not keeping, please post the scripture and why don't you consider asking if I keep instead of telling me what I keep or not keep since you do not know me . So its a bit of a strange accusation to claim you know what I do or don't do. Only God knows what we all do, nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14


You repeatedly use Jesus as the example we’re supposed to follow BUT YOU DON’T FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE. JESUS KEPT THE ENTIRE MOSUAC LAW, YOU DON’T.
Where did Jesus once sacrifice animals? Verse please.

According to Jesus to abide in Him, we are to keep the commandments, following in His example it doesn't say the entire Mosaic law. Why would anyone sacrifice an animal when Jesus is our Sacrifice Lamb? This would negate His great sacrifice.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked

You seem to be promoting not to follow Jesus.

Thats a choice one can make, but not a good one. John 15:6 John 10:27 Rev 14:4
 
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Proof of what, your response to the scriptures I posted has only been your opinion. Our opinions are important to us, but its not the same as what God says.
Of course, all you and I have are "opinions." The opinions that properly conform to God's word matter. That's why we debate this at all.
 
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God never told us to follow the crowd, He told us to follow Him. Jesus kept the Sabbath, God kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath, they are the minority, but who we are to follow
You are misrepresenting the argument, if you understand it at all.

Jesus kept the Sabbath *while the Law was still in effect. *
God kept a *different Sabbath, * the Sabbath of Creation.
The Jews kept a Sabbath Law specifically tied to the covenant God made with Israel through Moses.
The Apostles kept the Sabbath only out of deference to the culture--not as a matter of legal obedience to the covenant of Law.

You are being disingenuous if you understand these things. But if you don't understand the argument, why don't you try to actually understand it--understand it in a way in which you could argue it for yourself? After all, a good debater should be able to debate both sides of an issue, regardless of his or her personal conviction.
 
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Of course, all you and I have are "opinions." The opinions that properly conform to God's word matter. That's why we debate this at all.
I didn't post my opinion, I posted God's Word. Your response was just your opinion, not one scripture to refuse the Scriptures I posted.
 
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You are misrepresenting the argument, if you understand it at all.
This response you are replying to was to another poster, not you.
Jesus kept the Sabbath *while the Law was still in effect. *
Where did God abrogate His Sabbath- verse please. God blessed only God can reverse Num 23:20 so we would need a thus saith the Lord
God kept a *different Sabbath, * the Sabbath of Creation.
Verse please.

God said in the Sabbath commandment that it started at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 so your argument is not with me, since this is God's own personal Testimony
The Jews kept a Sabbath Law specifically tied to the covenant God made with Israel through Moses.
Sure. God's commandments are for all people, because God's people keep God's commandments. Rev 14:12
The Apostles kept the Sabbath only out of deference to the culture--not as a matter of legal obedience to the covenant of Law.
Verse please, that the apostles only kept the Sabbath, not because it's a commandment of God, but for other reasons
You are being disingenuous if you understand these things.
No, I believe the Scriptures
But if you don't understand the argument, why don't you try to actually understand it--understand it in a way in which you could argue it for yourself?
I understand you don't believe you should keep the Sabbath commandment, yet not one verse that says God's people keep God's commandments except for the Sabbath commandment. The one commandment God said to Remember Exo 20:8 we should forget. I have yet to find this in God's Holy Word. Doing the opposite of what God said has never worked out once for anyone in His Holy Word, starting at the Graden.
After all, a good debater should be able to debate both sides of an issue, regardless of his or her personal conviction.
The first step in debating Scripture is using and actual Text, instead of just using our own words.
 
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The claim that we do not need to follow Jesus' life because His specific actions, such as being circumcised or unmarried, don't apply to us as Gentiles, overlooks the broader essence of His teachings. While it's true that certain cultural practices, such as circumcision or marriage, were specific to Jesus' Jewish context, the call to follow Jesus goes far beyond mimicking His personal lifestyle in a literal sense. Instead, His teachings focus on a transformation of the heart and mind, aimed at loving God and others, living humbly, and embracing sacrifice for the sake of others.

Jesus made it clear that to follow Him meant to adopt His attitude and way of living, which were centered on self-sacrifice, love, and service. In Luke 9:23, He calls His followers to take up their cross daily and follow Him, which points to a life of denial, service, and devotion to God. Jesus' invitation wasn’t just about following His actions but aligning with His values and heart for others. The central theme of His teachings, especially in passages like Matthew 22:37-39, emphasizes the greatest commandment: to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. This command is not bound by cultural or historical context; it’s a universal call to live in a way that reflects God’s love.


Moreover, Jesus taught the importance of humility and service, highlighting that the greatest in His kingdom are those who serve others. In Mark 9:35, He made it clear that greatness in God's eyes is about being the least and serving all. These principles are foundational for all believers, regardless of their cultural background or historical context, and they reflect the very heart of Jesus' message.

Though Jesus’ earthly ministry was initially focused on the Jewish people, He made it clear that His mission was not limited to them. While He came first to the lost sheep of Israel, as stated in Matthew 15:24, He also made known that His message would eventually extend to all nations. In John 10:16, He refers to "other sheep" who are not of the Jewish fold, indicating that His mission would include Gentiles as well. After His resurrection, in Matthew 28:19, He gave the Great Commission, sending His disciples to make disciples of all nations, showing that His salvation is for everyone, not just the Jews.

In Acts 1:8, Jesus told His disciples that they would be His witnesses not only in Jerusalem but also in Judea, Samaria, and to the ends of the earth, signaling the global reach of His mission. Jesus' ministry was always meant to be inclusive, embracing people from all backgrounds. His teachings about loving God, loving others, and serving humbly transcend cultural boundaries, and these are the principles that apply to all believers, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

In the end, while we may not be called to follow every detail of Jesus' life in terms of Jewish customs or His personal situation, His teachings on love, humility, service, and sacrifice remain foundational for anyone who wishes to follow Him. These principles are as relevant today as they were in Jesus' time and continue to guide believers.
Nobody said or claimed that we should not follow the example of Jesus regarding love, sacrifice, devotion etc. We just need to apply those virtues in our context and in the way that is appropriate for us, modern Gentile Christians.
For example, we do not show our devotion by being circumcised, by keeping old Jewish festivals, Mosaic instructions or by fasting for 40 days.

That is why I said we are not supposed to copy his life. It is something different from not following Him right here and right now. He is not dead, He is alive. Following Him is not frozen in the 1st century.
 
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It is not only recommended, but indeed we are in fact exhorted by Christ our True God to be perfect even as the Father is perfect, and He is indeed perfect, and Christ perfected our human nature on the Cross, which directly enables our salvation according to the Early Church Fathers.

We can see in the Apostles an attempt to follow in the path of Christ, and in female saints an attempt to follow in the path of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Indeed, St. Thomas a Kemper wrote a book, The Imitation of Christ, on this subject, which is widely regarded in Western Christian circles, and the Orthodox have a number of books of instructive hagiography and works about asceticism and life in Christ such as the Life of St. Anthony, the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, the Way of the Pilgrim, the Arena, the Philokalia, de Incarnatione, On The Prayer of Jesus, The Ladder of Divine Ascent, and My Life In Christ, among others.

All Christians are called to make ourselves more perfect icons of God who we are created in the image of.
We are not even recommended to copy the life of Jesus in his cultural context. Being perfect as the Father is perfect does not mean to become a Jew of the 1st century and to live a primitive ancient life in the Near East, giving up electricity, consuming just bread, fish, dates and vine...

Imitating Christ in what is good, perfect and suitable for our personal situation is something else.
 
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Jesus kept the Sabbath
There is actually no verse saying that.

God kept the Sabbath
There is no verse saying that. You are bending the Gen 1 non-literal story quite a lot.
the apostles kept the Sabbath
There is actually no verse saying that.

they are the minority, but who we are to follow
You follow the teachings of the Ellen White and of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. You use the Bible only to support the teachings of your sect. You reject the Bible whenever it contradicts those teachings.
 
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There is actually no verse saying that
Are you saying Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned? Thats what those who crucified Jesus said. They also said He was not God. Do you believe them over the personal testimony of Jesus who said He kept it? Luke 4:16 John 15:10
There is no verse saying that.
Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3
You are bending the Gen 1 non-literal story quite a lot.
Jesus said if you believe Moses who wrote Genesis to be literal, you would believe Jesus. John 5:46
There is actually no verse saying that.
Until you read, Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 etc. etc. not an example of them not keeping every Sabbath day holy decades after the cross, that's a whole lot of Sabbath keeping for something they "didn't keep." that no scripture says. If the Sabbath didn't exist it would just say the seventh day, But since the God of the Bible personally named the Sabbath and defined when it was Exo 20:10 my faith is in Him, not what man says. We each can make these decisions, God does not force us to obey Him, He wants us to, but gives us each free will. However one day soon, we will have to make our final decisions and live with the result Rev 22:11 Rev 22:14-15
You follow the teachings of the Ellen White and of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. You use the Bible only to support the teachings of your sect. You reject the Bible whenever it contradicts those teachings.
You give EGW way too much credit. She is not God. God created the Sabbath at Creation and is one of His commandments thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11
 
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This response you are replying to was to another poster, not you.

Where did God abrogate His Sabbath- verse please. God blessed only God can reverse Num 23:20 so we would need a thus saith the Lord

Verse please.

God said in the Sabbath commandment that it started at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 so your argument is not with me, since this is God's own personal Testimony

Sure. God's commandments are for all people, because God's people keep God's commandments. Rev 14:12

Verse please, that the apostles only kept the Sabbath, not because it's a commandment of God, but for other reasons

No, I believe the Scriptures

I understand you don't believe you should keep the Sabbath commandment, yet not one verse that says God's people keep God's commandments except for the Sabbath commandment. The one commandment God said to Remember Exo 20:8 we should forget. I have yet to find this in God's Holy Word. Doing the opposite of what God said has never worked out once for anyone in His Holy Word, starting at the Graden.

The first step in debating Scripture is using and actual Text, instead of just using our own words.
Again, you've been shown that your arguments do not agree with the argument against them.

You've stated that God, Jesus, and the Apostles were all under the Law of Sabbath--the very one contained in the Law of Moses. If that's what you want to believe, believe what you want. I don't see it.

The Apostles did it out of respect for Jews who believed they were still under the Sabbath Law. They were *witnessing to the Jews,* and could not do so without respecting their culture.

Jesus said he was "Lord of the Sabbath," indicating that he was above the Law, and not subject to a law that dealt with human sin.

God rested from Creation, and did not observe a weekly Sabbath.

But you will argue this until the sun goes down. I'm just making sure you understand there is an argument against your position. You will have to live by your position, and I will live by mine.
 
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Are you saying Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned?
No, I am saying that there is no verse saying Jesus kept Sabbath.

Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3
Again, no verse saying that God kept Sabbath.

Jesus said if you believe Moses who wrote Genesis to be literal, you would believe Jesus. John 5:46
No, Jesus did not say "if you believe Moses who wrote Genesis to be literal". Do not lie.

Until you read, Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 etc. etc.
Again, none of these verses says that the apostles kept Sabbath. Only that they visited synagogues. Don't you know what the keeping is? It means to cease from all work.

You give EGW way too much credit. She is not God. God created the Sabbath at Creation and is one of His commandments thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11
I give her no credit at all. I am saying it is whom you give the credit, selectively reading the Bible to support her teachings.
 
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No, I am saying that there is no verses saying Jesus kept Sabbath.
The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3

Jesus teaching and reading God's Word IS keeping the Sabbath, sad one would even try to challenge this as it was the same line of thinking of those who crucified Jesus without cause. Jesus said He kept the Sabbath and didn't sin, I guess its a matter of faith

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Mark 1:21Then they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught.


Mark 6:2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands!

Where is the scripture Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath?
Again, no verse saying that God kept Sabbath.
You must not be reading the scriptures.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
No, Jesus did not say "if you believe Moses who wrote Genesis to be literal". Do not lie.
Where did Moses say he wrote Genesis to be whatever interpretation we wanted it to be. He wrote it according to the way God told him. God said it was literal

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them,
Again, none of these verses say that the apostles kept Sabbath. Only that they visited synagogues. Don't you know what the keeping is? It means to cease from all work.
Cease from work to do what?

Exo 20"8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

The Sabbath is not meant so one is to be lazy. We are to rest from work and labors so we can keep the Sabbath day holy Exo 20:8, focusing on God Isa 58:13 a holy convocation i.e. church gathering Lev 23:3 all examples of keeping the Sabbath as we see through the life of Jesus and the apostles. If you wish to believe that's not keeping the Sabbath holy by reading God's Word, praying, a holy gathering that fine, but its not what the scriptures teach.
I give her no credit at all. I am saying it is whom you give the credit, selectively reading the Bible to support her teachings.
Well I have only quoted God, not EGW, you are the one who keeps bringing her up, I keep quoting what God says. God wrote, God spoke the Sabbath, so the credit goes to Him.

Anyway, our conversations in the past have never been fruitful so I don't think anything will change. I am ok with agreeing to disagree. Be well.
 
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Again, you've been shown that your arguments do not agree with the argument against them.

You've stated that God, Jesus, and the Apostles were all under the Law of Sabbath--the very one contained in the Law of Moses. If that's what you want to believe, believe what you want. I don't see it.
Verse please. You really need to start using scripture because your words are not the same and God's Word. Its impossible to reason with ones opinions as if they are equal to God's Word.
The Apostles did it out of respect for Jews who believed they were still under the Sabbath Law.
. They were *witnessing to the Jews,* and could not do so without respecting their culture.
Verse please
Jesus said he was "Lord of the Sabbath," indicating that he was above the Law, and not subject to a law that dealt with human sin.
Such a sad teaching, Jesus condemned the Pharisees called them hypocrites for keeping their rules over obeying the commandments of God, yet Jesus is above His own law. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created it Exo 20:11, not because He was "above" the law. Jesus said He kept the Sabbath and did not sin. John 8:45-47 Jesus never taught by do as I say, not as I do, This goes against every principle of God. Jesus always led by example. 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6

God rested from Creation, and did not observe a weekly Sabbath.
God rested at Creation on the Sabbath as an example for man because man was created in the image of God, in His likeness. The same Sabbath that is in the Sabbath commandment is the same Sabbath from Creation according to God. Why He said Remember right in the Sabbath commandment and pointed right to Creation. You keep claiming something different yet have not presented any Text they are different Sabbaths just your Words against God's own personal Testimony Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3


But you will argue this until the sun goes down. I'm just making sure you understand there is an argument against your position. You will have to live by your position, and I will live by mine.
True, we will all have to live with our decisions and the consequences whatever they may be. Jesus said blessed is the man who keeps the Sabbath Isa 56:2 a sign that He is our God Eze 20:20 its a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 so I pray we all choose wisely.
 
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Verse please. You really need to start using scripture because your words are not the same and God's Word. Its impossible to reason with ones opinions as if they are equal to God's Word.

Verse please

Wow, such a sad teaching, Jesus condemned the Pharisees called them hypocrites for keeping their rules over obeying the commandments of God, yet is above His own law. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created it, not because He was "above" the law. Jesus never taught by do as I say, not as I do. This goes against every principle of God. God always led by example.


God rested at Creation on the Sabbath as an example for man because man was created in the image of God, in His likeness. The same Sabbath that is in the Sabbath commandment is the same Sabbath from Creation according to God. You keep claiming something different yet have not presented any Text, just your Words against God's personal Testimony Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3



True, we will all have to live with our decisions and the consequences whatever they may be. Jesus said blessed is the man who keeps the Sabbath Isa 56:2 its a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 so I pray we all choose wisely.
You may be selling, but I'm not buying. The blessing was reserved only for Israel who were under the covenant of Law at the time. You will obtain no blessing for observing the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

I'm well past giving you Scriptures. I could give you as many as you try to give me--it does no good. You are bent on arguing this indefinitely. I'm not interested. I just won't give you what you falsely claim to have, which is a good conscience.

You were told not to judge others on Sabbath observance. Bu you persist. For that you will have to answer to God.
 
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The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3

Jesus teaching and reading God's Word IS keeping the Sabbath, sad one would even try to challenge this as it was the same line of thinking of those who crucified Jesus without cause. Jesus said He kept the Sabbath and didn't sin, I guess its a matter of faith

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Mark 1:21Then they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught.


Mark 6:2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands!
Again, you provided no verse that Jesus kept Sabbath. Only that he visited synagogues.

Where is the scripture Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath?

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:18

You must not be reading the scriptures.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
It is not God keeping it. It is the Babylonian Jewish dramatic narrative of how God created/separated it. God is under no such Law. Jesus later said that God did not cease from all work, but is still working.

Where did Moses say he wrote Genesis to be whatever interpretation we wanted it to be. He wrote it according to the way God told him. God said it was literal
Nonsense.

Cease from work to do what?
Cease from all work. For example, the women could not even bury Jesus properly because of the Sabbath.

Well I have only quoted God, not EGW,
You have only quoted specific modern English Bible. Bible is not God, it had human authors and various texts have various cultural and theological contexts. These contexts you ignore because you follow the interpretation of E.G. White.

Anyway, our conversations in the past have never been fruitful so I don't think anything will change. I am ok with agreeing to disagree. Be well.
Anyway, keep your replies shorter and exactly on point. Quantity of verses is not a good argument. You are leaving the conversation with many people when your views are being challenged. But this is a discussion board, not a propaganda board.
 
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You may be selling, but I'm not buying. The blessing was reserved only for Israel who were under the covenant of Law at the time. You will obtain no blessing for observing the Sabbath under the New Covenant.
God blessed, man can't reverse Num 23:20 and you are not God to take that away. God said Blessed are those who do His commandments Rev 22:14 the Sabbath is a commandment of God, thus saith the Lord.
I'm well past giving you Scriptures. I could give you as many as you try to give me--it does no good. You are bent on arguing this indefinitely. I'm not interested. I just won't give you what you falsely claim to have, which is a good conscience.
But you haven't, you only post your words which is why it’s important to actually post Scripture so we can see what it says in how it relates to the commentary being used.
You were told not to judge others on Sabbath observance. Bu you persist. For that you will have to answer to God.
I have not judged anyone about the Sabbath. I only show what the scriptures say about God's Sabbath. All Judging is for God. Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 2 Cor 5:10 Its also taken out of context to what Paul is referring to. It doesn't say Sabbath observance is says sabbath(s) and the context of what Paul is referring to is in v14 something contrary and against, which is not the definition of what God said the weekly Sabbath is, holy, sanctified and blessed by God. something taken away at the cross, yet Jesus commissioned His faithful to pray for 40 years after the Cross, their flight would not be on the Sabbath day Mat 24:20 so either Jesus made a mistake when He clearly indicated the Sabbath would be kept long after the Cross, or we are misunderstanding Paul. I do not believe Jesus makes mistakes.
 
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Imitating Christ in what is good, perfect and suitable for our personal situation is something else.

That’s what I believe God desires us, to take up our Cross and follow Christ, but not, for example, to convert to Judaism.

Indeed the requirements of the Jewish faith were expressly declared inapplicable to Gentile converts to Christianity at the Council of Jerusalem, the ecunemincal proto-synod narrated in Acts ch. 15.

This council issued an Epistle, delivered to the Christians in Antioch, that was written by St. James the Just, that is recorded in Acts in contrast to the other surviving Epistle of St. James, which is its own separate book:

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.” (Acts 15:24-29)


Thus, as long as Christians do not fornicate, drink blood and consume meat strangled or offered to idols, or as per St. Paul commit murder, sodomy, and certain other moral offenses, some of which are explicitly mentioned in the Ten Commandments but some of which, such as the prohibition on fornication and homosexuality, which is expressed as a primary moral issue by St. Paul, are not mentioned by the Decalogue but rather by the Torah.

This is further evidence, along with the fact that there is no instruction from Jerusalem that Gentile converts observe the Sabbath, that the Decalogue is not of primary importance to Christians, contra Adventism and early Anglicanism.

I suspect the extreme focus on the Decalogue we see among some Restorationist denominations like the SDA is actually the result of the over-emphasis of the Decalogue in the older (in America, obsolete, the content having been removed for multiple iterations) editions of the Anglican BCP such as the 1662 BCP, which was followed in this respect by the Methodists for a time, in quoting the Decalogue at the start of Holy Communion and also including the very unpleasant Commination liturgy. Prior to the Anglican Holy Communion service, no church had quoted the Decalogue as part of the ordinary of their Eucharistic liturgy, and indeed most churches did not even include it in the lectionary used at the Eucharist, but rather read all Old Testament prophecies at Vespers (this being the norm in the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Byzantine and most Western liturgical rites, except for those of Gallican origin, except on a few occasions where the Roman Rite read an Old Testament lesson instead of an Epistle before the Gospel at Mass; besides the Gallican family of liturgies, of which only the Ambrosian remains in widespread use, with the Mozarabic preserved only in a dedicated chapel of the cathedral in Toledo, Spain, only the East Syriac Rite includes at least one, and usually two, Old Testament lessons before the Epistle and Gospel in their Eucharistic liturgy.

And indeed, the Anglicans continued this practice, of only reading the Old Testament at the Divine Office for most Sundays and Holy Days, but they did preface their Holy Communion with the Decalogue, although this practice has now fallen out of use even in many parishes that still use the 1662 BCP, in favor of reading the Summary of the Law or instead following the Lutheran practice of retaining the litany Kyrie Eleison, Christie Eleison, Kyrie Eleison, which has musical advantages.

Rather, the list of dangerous sins provided by St. Paul in his various epistles, such as to the Romans, can be considered as the basis for Christian morality and is consistent with what was said by Christ our True God, as are all Pauline epistles.
 
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That’s what I believe God desires us, to take up our Cross and follow Christ, but not, for example, to convert to Judaism.

Indeed the requirements of the Jewish faith were expressly declared inapplicable to Gentile converts to Christianity at the Council of Jerusalem, the ecunemincal proto-synod narrated in Acts ch. 15.

This council issued an Epistle, delivered to the Christians in Antioch, that was written by St. James the Just, that is recorded in Acts in contrast to the other surviving Epistle of St. James, which is its own separate book:
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Rather, the list of dangerous sins provided by St. Paul in his various epistles, such as to the Romans, can be considered as the basis for Christian morality and is consistent with what was said by Christ our True God, as are all Pauline epistles.
Paul got the mandate to go to Gentiles, while the rest of the apostles to Jews. The situation got messy because Paul preached also to Jews who were present in various towns and churches throughout the Roman empire and got into a trouble because of that.

James was the one most hanging on the Jewish traditions for Jewish Christians. Peter was a bit indecisive as it seems from the NT and we do not have any info about the rest.

Even in the Paul's letters Paul talks sometimes to the Jewish audience, sometimes to the Gentile audience, sometimes to both and if we do not distinguish properly, we may get confused like the Adventists.
 
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their flight would not be on the Sabbath day Mat 24:20 so either Jesus made a mistake when He clearly indicated the Sabbath would be kept long after the Cross, or we are misunderstanding Paul. I do not believe Jesus makes mistakes.
Because in Jerusalem, the gates of the city were shut on Sabbaths. It was just an obstacle to escape, similar to winter. As we do not keep winters, we also do not keep Sabbaths.

You conveniently left the winter part out. I noticed a pattern that if a verse does not support your idea, you just refer to the text freely instead of quoting.
 
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