The sun?

[Josh777]

I said Intellegent life, eveidence suggests there is life on the bottom of my shoe too

 

[lithium.]

Well you are right there is no evidence yet of intellegent life on other planets but it's logically to think that there is. Since there is trillions of galaxies, and tillions of stars in those galaxies, and plaets around most of the stars.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Josh777
Well speaking the same way intellegent life on another planet is unlikely and totally hypothetical.

Life on Earth is a very delicate balance. There could be life that we are not even aware of. We take up a very small range on the spectrum. Life as we know it would require very earth like conditions. As far as the size of the sun, the distance we are from the sun. The size of the earth. Even the tilt of the axis. Or the spin rate plays a part. In addition to this, we preceive a very small part of the light & sound spectrum. Take sound for instance. We can hear between 20 & 20,000 hz. Dogs and cats can go up to 50,000 and dolphins up to 200,000 hz.

I was a theater major and we studied light extensively. So I know how to control and munipulate sensory perception using light, color, and so forth. We require points of referance to keep our bearings.

Then there is the consideration that man is in some ways different even from all the other life forms here on planet earth. We are made up of a body, mind and a soul. Or some believe a body, soul & spirit. There are people who believe the soul is eternal, or immortal. Or at least is capable of being eternal. But our body is from the earth, so we can relate to other forms of life here on earth. We have a common ground with them.

The earth and our solar system broadcasts a lot of data out into the universe that would finger print us and tell a lot about us. There has been a lot of effort go into trying to establish if there is other forms of life and if we can communicate with them. To date, there has not been one shred of evidence to establish that if there were other life forms, that we could communicate with them in any way.

There could be life right here on planet earth, in theory. That is just in a total different frequancy, and so we could be totally unaware of each other.

We do know in the realm of heaven there are angels and fallen angels called demons. Some people do seem to be able to communicate with the angels and the Bible talks extensively about this subject.

In science fiction, HG Wells thought about maybe going back and forth in time. But people like Jules Vern thought that maybe there were time warps that we could use to travel back and forth. I wonder myself how the christians come up with a time frame of maybe 12,000 years compared to science who feels that the time frame is closer to 4.5 billion years. Yet they both discribe almost the same thing. Happening at intervals that can be related to each other.

People pay a lot of money, just to have their senses tricked. How much more would they pay if someone could expand their limit beyond what we can preceive for real, and not just a illusion.  

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Josh777
I said Intellegent life, eveidence suggests there is life on the bottom of my shoe too

Actually, there are those who would question if there is even intellegent life here on earth. If our IQ range is from 0 to 200, what if the scale actually want up to 20,000 or even 200,000.

Perhaps there is a space ship going by right now and when they measure our IQ at 200 they are saying to themselves, o' well, let's check back with them when they are up to 1000.

 

[Angel75]

josh777...
Well speaking the same way intellegent life on another planet is unlikely and totally hypothetical.

angel...
Have you looked up at the sky at night??!! I personally believe with all my heart there is intelligent life out there. Can't wait to find it

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Angel75
josh777...
Well speaking the same way intellegent life on another planet is unlikely and totally hypothetical.

angel...
Have you looked up at the sky at night??!! I personally believe with all my heart there is intelligent life out there. Can't wait to find it

I have to agree there has to be intelligent life out there is just logical.

 

[DNAunion]

seesaw: The sun will expand to a red giant and then a little while after that it becomes a White Dwarf. Then it will supernova.

DNAunion: The first couple of parts are correct, but the Sun is not massive enough to go supernova.

Pete Harcoff: [The Sun] fuses hydrogen atoms into helium atoms, giving off tons of energy (light & heat) in the process.

DNAunion: Not hydrogen and helium atoms, but hydrogen and helium nuclei. The kinetic energies of particles in the core of the Sun is great enough to strip atoms of their electrons, forming a plasma. It is in the core where the thermonuclear processes of fusion occur, and there, the matter exists as plasma, not atoms.

seesaw: Well you are right there is no evidence yet of intellegent life on other planets but it's logically to think that there is. Since there is trillions of galaxies, and tillions of stars in those galaxies, and plaets around most of the stars.

DNAunion: It’s Billions of galaxies, not Trillions. It’s also Billions, not Trillions, of stars (on average) in each of those galaxies (IIRC, it's something like 100 billion galaxies, each with 100 to 500 billion stars). And most stars that have been checked with current methods have been found to NOT have planets around them.

 

[lithium.]

DNAunion: The first couple of parts are correct, but the Sun is not massive enough to go supernova.

Well I learned something new today. Thx I guess.

DNAunion: It’s Billions of galaxies, not Trillions. It’s also Billions, not Trillions, of stars (on average) in each of those galaxies (IIRC, it's something like 100 billion galaxies, each with 100 to 500 billion stars). And most stars that have been checked with current methods have been found to NOT have planets around them.

Well it really doesn't matter if it billions, or trillions there is alot of galaxies and stars. And there is a new technology that lets astronomers find planets the size of earth and smaller so I bet thery will start finding more and more planets.

 

[DNAunion]

DNAunion: It’s Billions of galaxies, not Trillions. It’s also Billions, not Trillions, of stars (on average) in each of those galaxies (IIRC, it's something like 100 billion galaxies, each with 100 to 500 billion stars).

seesaw: Well it really doesn't matter if it billions, or trillions there is alot of galaxies and stars.

DNAunion: It matters in probability calculations. Billions x billions = 10^18, while trillions times trillions = 10^24. That's 6 orders of magnitude difference. Inflating the number of trials by a factor of one million can easily skew results of a probability calculation.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by DNAunion
DNAunion: It matters in probability calculations. Billions x billions = 10^18, while trillions times trillions = 10^24. That's 6 orders of magnitude difference. Inflating the number of trials by a factor of one million can easily skew results of a probability calculation.

Yeah I understand that but what I am trying to say is that there is so many galaxies, and stars so there has to be intellegent life on another planets.

 

[DNAunion]

seesaw: Yeah I understand that but what I am trying to say is that there is so many galaxies, and stars so there has to be intellegent life on another planets.

DNAunion: There "has to be" intelligent life on other planets?

I'm going to have to disagree with the absoluteness of that statement. What if, loosely speaking, there are 10^18 planets out there, but the probability of life arising is found to be 1 in 10^45. That large number of planets becomes miniscule and virtually meaningless (like the mass of an ant compared to that of the Earth).

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by DNAunion
DNAunion: There "has to be" intelligent life on other planets?

I'm going to have to disagree with the absoluteness of that statement. What if, loosely speaking, there are 10^18 planets out there, but the probability of life arising is found to be 1 in 10^45. That large number of planets becomes miniscule and virtually meaningless (like the mass of an ant compared to that of the Earth).

Yeah you can say that but it doesn't change the fact that there is so many stars and galaxies and to think we are the only planet where intelligent life is on is completely illogical. And since we are getting better and better technology we will be able to detech more planets. And soon be able to see them.

Anyway lets get back on topic after you reply or whatever. This is going no where.

 

[ardipithecus]

Originally posted by seesaw
Yeah you can say that but it doesn't change the fact that there is so many stars and galaxies and to think we are the only planet where intelligent life is on is completely illogical. And since we are getting better and better technology we will be able to detech more planets. And soon be able to see them. 

Why would it be illogical?  It is quite logically possible that humans are the only intellegent form of life in the universe.   Indeed you are the one committing a logical fallacy here.

The probablities of intellegent life is quite unknown other than the trivial fact that it is not zero as demonstrated by our own existence.  It is possible that the probablity for intellegent life is so low that the odds are against it being anywhere else no matter how many stars there are.  Of course it could be that the odds are such that are or have been billions of civilizations.  But again we don't know. 

If I had to bet, I would say it is unlikely that there are any other technological civilizations in our Galaxy, but rather likely to be many throughout the universe as a whole.  But that is a gut feeling and not based on any hard numbers.  Though I really have a hard time seeing how believable numbers being put into the Drake Equation can produce large numbers in our Galaxy.   

And of course as Ernst Mayr has pointed out, astronomers tend to be far more optimistic about the prospects of finding civilizations than biologists who tend to think it is exceedingly unlikely that any civilizations will be detected.

 

[TheBear]

Within the professional scientific community, secular shrinkage has not been substantiated, but an 80-year oscillatory behavior was discovered.