The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

yeshuasavedme said:

Augustine had no authority to change the simple truth of the Word.
There was no stretched out heavens until day 2 of creation week (which word in Hebrew/ "Sha Mayim" means "two waters".
The globe of primal waters was created suspended/ hung in the firmament (of His powers), which were stretched out from the globe in stories/layers.
Above the heavens, the 1/2 of the created primal waters still circle the globe as the heavens do.

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You're believing a story that not even the original audience believed to be literal.

Leaviathan said:

Ever hear of carbon dating? Human skulls have been found that are 233,000 years old.

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Carbon dating is limited to 40-50 thousand years, assuming there has been no cross contamination and the rate of production of Carbon-14 has been constant, which simply cannot be known with certainty. So it is impossible to determine an age of 233,000 years.

yeshuasavedme said:

This isn't a thread to discuss your acceptance of the lie of billions of years.
This is about what The Word of God states, and the sun revolves in it's ordained circuit in the revolving heavens, around the globe.

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The problem with your theory, aside from the fact that it completely ignores Alexandrian Christological-typological-prophetic exegesis in favor of a literalism so extreme that it exceeds that of Antiochene literal-historical exegesis, and that it implies that Patristic interpretations using those methods posit that Scripture is lying, which is absolutely not the case, is that the orbits of the planets around the Sun effectively disprove Geocentrism. The mere fact that our view of Mars or Venus or other planets can be obstructed by the Sun disproves the Geocentric model.

There is also the insurmountable problem that we have been launching interplanetary space probes since the 1960s based on the Heliocentric model, and these probes could not have reached their destination if your interpretation of Scripture was accurate.

yeshuasavedme said:

This isn't a thread to discuss your acceptance of the lie of billions of years.
This is about what The Word of God states, and the sun revolves in it's ordained circuit in the revolving heavens, around the globe.

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It's not God's word if it's in a book written by a Roman aristocrat

prodromos said:

Carbon dating is limited to 40-50 thousand years, assuming there has been no cross contamination and the rate of production of Carbon-14 has been constant, which simply cannot be known with certainty. So it is impossible to determine an age of 233,000 years.

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There are also other methods Researchers date the oldest known human skull at 233,000 years

yeshuasavedme said:

Better do your research. The geocentric earth was used for those launches.
Earth is NOT a planet. Planet means wandering star, and the wandering stars have no light of their own, and their courses/paths are each peculiar to themselves.
And FYI the Word of God tells us Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still when the sun was near setting, and God heeded Joshua and the sun and moon stood still for very nearly one whole extra day.
It is written in the Book of the Upright (the real book of Jasher, a history book).

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How do you explain the retrograde motion of Mars? And why do the descriptions/laws of Kepler and Newton so accurately predict this retrograde motion?

yeshuasavedme said:

Better do your research. The geocentric earth was used for those launches.

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Is the Sun ever not going to revolve around the Earth?

Are you going to stand on the Sun?

Are you going to go your whole life preferring to treat the Heavenly bodies as possessions not constants?

Leaviathan said:

It's not God's word if it's in a book written by a Roman aristocrat

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Wut?

Jonaitis said:

You're believing a story that not even the original audience believed to be literal.

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The Book of Enoch was never accepted into the Jewish canon of Scripture. Therefore it was never accepted as the inspired Word of God by them or by the early church.

Watchman1 said:

The Book of Enoch was never accepted into the Jewish canon of Scripture.

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It’s not in the Rabinnical, Masoretic canon, but it is in the canon of the Beta Israel, the Jews of Ethiopia (Ethiopia converted entirely to Judaism after Solomon and the Queen “exchanged royal gifts,” and indeed their son Prince Solomon secreted the Ark of the Covenant to Ethiopia where it remains, something not many people are aware of, because most people aren’t aware Ethiopia is the only Christian nation where almost all the Christians are of Jewish descent).

Furthermore, fragments of the Book of Enoch, like most of the Deuterocanonical Books previously thought not to have existed in Hebrew or Aramaic, have turned up among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The fact is, we don’t know what the Old Testament canon looked like before the destruction of Jerusalem following the Bar Kochba revolt in 130 AD, although a major clue is in the contents of the Septuagint, which was the Old Testament of the Early Church until the Peshitta and Vulgate were translated, and the Ethiopians with their more expansive Old Testament mostly converted in the 410s, around the same time as the Georgians.

Therefore it was never accepted as the inspired Word of God by them or by the early church.

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The Beta Israel are Jews and accept it as inspired, and the Ethiopian Christians accepts it as inspired, and Ethiopia was either the fourth or fifth country whose rulers converted to Christianity (I can’t recall whether they or the Georgians converted first, but as I said, it was around the same time). The first three were the Kingdom of Edessa, a city state, the Kingdom of Armenia, and Emperor Constantine, and with him, effectively, the Roman Empire.*

Furthermore, the Ethiopian church is part of the Oriental Orthodox communion, and indeed, until the 20th part of the century was part of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, before being granted autocephaly (complete autonomy; previously the Abune, the presiding bishop of the Ethiopian church, was selected by the Coptic Holy Synod). Now, Enoch has never been part of the Coptic canon, nor the canons of the other Oriental Orthodox churches (the Syriac Orthodox, Indian Orthodox and the Armenian Apostolic Church). However, at no time has the inclusion of Enoch in the Ethiopian (and since 1994, the Eritrean) canon been a source of friction between the Ethiopian and Coptic church, nor with the other Oriental Orthodox churches, nor with the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Anglicans and other churches the Oriental Orthodox have engaged in ecumenical dialogue with (which has been extremely successful between the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria and its Eastern Orthodox counterpart, the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria).

What is more, the Epistle of Jude quotes Enoch, so, that, combined with Ethiopian acceptance of it and the fragments recovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls is more than enough for me to regard it as inspired.

However, I read it using primarily Alexandrian exegesis, and even among people I know of who read it using a hyper-literal approach, this is the only instance I have seen of it being used to advocate Geocentrism.


*Although after his death, under Constantius, the Council of Nicaea was set aside, St. Athanasius was sent into exile for much of his life, and the Christian church in much of the Roman Empire was persecuted in favor of the heretical Arian cult, a counterfeit Christianity which denied the deity of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. This persecution eased under Emperor Valens, and eased further under Emperor Theodosius I, the first Christian emperor since St. Constantine, but even under his watch, an incident of attempted persecution occurred in Milan in 386 AD. And later, after the Empire fell, Visigoth Arians in North Africa and the Middle East converted to Islam and a genocide of all African Christians living west of Egypt ensued, while much of Europe was for a time ruled by Ostrogothic Arians, such as King Odoacer.

I simple shake my head in disgust as the ignorance of so many "christians" who believe such lies about flat earth and sun going around the earth. It's unbelievable that people are so very dumb.
And what's even more sad is that facts and self-evident observation won't sway such closed minds. They truly are zombies of Satan.

EclipseEventSigns said:

I simple shake my head in disgust as the ignorance of so many "christians" who believe such lies about flat earth and sun going around the earth. It's unbelievable that people are so very dumb.
And what's even more sad is that facts and self-evident observation won't sway such closed minds. They truly are zombies of Satan.

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ChristianForCats said:

Everyone knows Earth revolves around the sun. There is absolutely no reason in the universe to think the reverse is true.

One reason we know this is the Bible does not lie. Nowhere does the Bible say any star revolves around a planet.

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My eldest daughter when she got angry with me, accused me of thinking that the world revolved around me!

I have a tee shirt that I occasionally wear to the gym that says: "Actually, the world does revolve around me!"