The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

yeshuasavedme · May 4, 2014

sculleywr said:
As to the truth of the video, it isn't true because every astronaut who has ever been to space has seen the earth move and rotate.

No they have not.
You are deceived to think so, and the Scriptures state that the sun and the moon and the entire heavens circle the earth.
The entire heavens circle the earth once every 24 hours [about].
That is Scripture teaching, and Enoch has the science of the cosmology which was shown him by the angel Uriel.

Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still, and God heeded Joshua and the sun and the moon stood still. Earth was not moving and never moves. The sun runs its course in the heavens around the earth, as the Scripture states in Psalm 18/19 [depending on which version you are using], and the Essenes who left the DSS collection of manuscripts [Bible means collection of manuscripts] wrote hymns about the sun circling the earth, rising and setting, and God's tabernacle being in the sun, just like Psalm 18/19 states in the original language.

Earth will, however, move out of its place in the great tribulation and "jump about as a hunted roe'; stagger as a drunken man; be turned upside down [with the wind and the waves roaring]; and the seasons will be backwards and the fruits will not appear in their times; the days will be shorted to 16 hours; and men on earth will be burned by the heat of the sun and moon smiting them; the stars will fall from heaven to earth and not appear in their order.

sculleywr · May 4, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
No they have not.
You are deceived to think so, and the Scriptures state that the sun and the moon and the entire heavens circle the earth.
The entire heavens circle the earth once every 24 hours [about].
That is Scripture teaching, and Enoch has the science of the cosmology which was shown him by the angel Uriel.

Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still, and God heeded Joshua and the sun and the moon stood still. Earth was not moving and never moves. The sun runs its course in the heavens around the earth, as the Scripture states in Psalm 18/19 [depending on which version you are using], and the Essenes who left the DSS collection of manuscripts [Bible means collection of manuscripts] wrote hymns about the sun circling the earth, rising and setting, and God's tabernacle being in the sun, just like Psalm 18/19 states in the original language.

Earth will, however, move out of its place in the great tribulation and "jump about as a hunted roe'; stagger as a drunken man; be turned upside down [with the wind and the waves roaring]; and the seasons will be backwards and the fruits will not appear in their times; the days will be shorted to 16 hours; and men on earth will be burned by the heat of the sun and moon smiting them; the stars will fall from heaven to earth and not appear in their order.

That's it. Another accusation of deception and I will leave before any more of my brains DIE from this.

It is indisputable FACT that the earth is SMALLER than the sun, is moving AROUND the sun, and that it is spinning. Want to prove me wrong.

build a rocket, use your false math, and launch yourself into space based on them.

if you're right, you have nothing to fear.

If you're wrong, as has been proven by every astronaut and satellite.

PROVE IT WRONG WITH SCIENCE!

Do everyone a favor, prove your theory using science. Go to NASA and pitch your theory to them. You say they use geocentric math. They certainly won't laugh you out of the building if you're right.

yeshuasavedme · May 4, 2014

Please stop shouting.

And I repeat:
No single human being or devil or demon or angel or any thing in creation has ever, once, proved the heliocentric fable. the OP videos even give facts in them that show that the heliocentric creation fable was made up by pagans and occultists who denied the Word of God and were offered without any proof. The much later inventions of twisted theories that have never been proven true were offered and changed -and changed- and so on, simply to deny the Word of God as true from the beginning.

You are deceived in this matter, and the heliocentric fable is believed with absolutely no proof whatsoever. There is simply none.

Scriptures state that the sun and the moon and the entire heavens circle the earth, from the moment light was called into being on day 1, the evening and the morning circled the earth, creating one day from sunset to sunset.

And since God stretched out the firmament between the divided in two waters of this earth's creation, the heavens -outside the face of them/the atmosphere- circle the earth once every 24 hours [about].
That is Scripture teaching, and Enoch wrote the science of the cosmology which was shown him by the angel Uriel.

Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still, and God heeded Joshua and the sun and the moon stood still. Earth was not moving and never moves. The sun runs its course in the heavens around the earth, as the Scripture states in Psalm 18/19 [depending on which version you are using], and the Essenes who left the DSS collection of manuscripts [Bible means collection of manuscripts] wrote hymns about the sun circling the earth, rising and setting, and God's tabernacle being in the sun, just like Psalm 18/19 states in the original language.

Earth will, however, move out of its place in the great tribulation and "jump about as a hunted roe'; stagger as a drunken man; be turned upside down [with the wind and the waves roaring]; and the seasons will be backwards and the fruits will not appear in their times; the days will be shortened/cut off to 16 hours; and men on earth will be burned by the heat of the sun and moon smiting them; the stars will fall from heaven to earth and not appear in their order.

Gnarwhal · May 4, 2014

*Unsubscribing.

I've had just about all I can take of YSM's Dodo beliefs and "logic". Good luck sculley my friend, you're quite the glutton for punishment to have engaged this brick wall of irrationality for so long.

sculleywr · May 4, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Please stop shouting.

And I repeat:
No single human being or devil or demon or angel or any thing in creation has ever, once, proved the heliocentric fable. the OP videos even give facts in them that show that the heliocentric creation fable was made up by pagans and occultists who denied the Word of God and were offered without any proof. The much later inventions of twisted theories that have never been proven true were offered and changed -and changed- and so on, simply to deny the Word of God as true from the beginning.

You are deceived in this matter, and the heliocentric fable is believed with absolutely no proof whatsoever. There is simply none.

Scriptures state that the sun and the moon and the entire heavens circle the earth, from the moment light was called into being on day 1, the evening and the morning circled the earth, creating one day from sunset to sunset.

And since God stretched out the firmament between the divided in two waters of this earth's creation, the heavens -outside the face of them/the atmosphere- circle the earth once every 24 hours [about].
That is Scripture teaching, and Enoch wrote the science of the cosmology which was shown him by the angel Uriel.

Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still, and God heeded Joshua and the sun and the moon stood still. Earth was not moving and never moves. The sun runs its course in the heavens around the earth, as the Scripture states in Psalm 18/19 [depending on which version you are using], and the Essenes who left the DSS collection of manuscripts [Bible means collection of manuscripts] wrote hymns about the sun circling the earth, rising and setting, and God's tabernacle being in the sun, just like Psalm 18/19 states in the original language.

Earth will, however, move out of its place in the great tribulation and "jump about as a hunted roe'; stagger as a drunken man; be turned upside down [with the wind and the waves roaring]; and the seasons will be backwards and the fruits will not appear in their times; the days will be shortened/cut off to 16 hours; and men on earth will be burned by the heat of the sun and moon smiting them; the stars will fall from heaven to earth and not appear in their order.

Unsubscribing. I'm not going to discuss science with someone who very obviously couldn't give a rat's behind what people have seen and denies even my own first-person experience.

YSM, Jacob, as my closing argument:

Pick up a textbook, ANY textbook. Read it.

Rule 1: do not ignore evidence that disagrees with your personal interpretations and beliefs.

Rule 2: if you wish to posit your own beliefs as superior, refer back to rule 1.

Listen to the evidence. Do not ignore what people say.

People didn't build GPS based on a stationary earth because every single GPS satellite would fall to earth according to your theory.

Jipsah · May 5, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Enoch has the science

Enoch is completely bogus.

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

Jipsah, you have no credibility to call the science of the movement of the heavenly bodies "bogus". It can be tested and observed as true, that is, until "the earth is moved out of her place, jumps about as a hunted roe, staggers as a drunken man, and is turned upside down", and "the stars fall from heaven" [to earth, their birthing point, so to speak, as the light was brought into being on day 1, right here, and the waters of creation were divided in two right here on this earth, and between them the firmament/heavens were stretched out with the angels of light/ morning stars.

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

sculleywr said:
.... my closing argument:

Pick up a textbook, ANY textbook. Read it.
Listen to the evidence. Do not ignore what people say.

People didn't build GPS based on a stationary earth because every single GPS satellite would fall to earth according to your theory.

Scripture does not lie.
Pick up the Word. Read it. Believe it.
Do not listen to the fables of men who were not there and who cannot go there to even discover the place where light dwells, nor bring forth Mazzaroth in its seasons.

And by all means, go learn the truth about GPS as is in the opening video links explained =which you did not watch and began a long rebuttal based on your own imagination of truth but which is divorced from the Word and from true science; which never, ever, contradicts the Word of God which is "true from the beginning".
GPS is not as you say, and it does use Geo-centric co-ordinates.

Job 38

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
2 Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;
9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;
10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors;
11 When I said,
This far you may come, but no farther,
And here your proud waves must stop!

12 Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 It takes on form like clay under a seal,
And stands out like a garment.
15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the upraised arm is broken.

16 Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you?
Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.

19 Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory,
That you may know the paths to its home?
21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
Or because the number of your days is great?

22 Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is light diffused,
Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

25 Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
Or a path for the thunderbolt,
26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
A wilderness in which there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?
28 Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?
30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth? 34 Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?
35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, Here we are!?
36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?
Or who has given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
And the clods cling together?

Rick Otto · May 5, 2014

Scripture doesn't lie. It does however, render truth figuratively when appropriate.
That the sun revolves around the earth isn't a lie, rather it is the truth from a limited perspective.
Realize your limitations.

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

Rick Otto said:
Scripture doesn't lie. It does however, render truth figuratively when appropriate.
That the sun revolves around the earth isn't a lie, rather it is the truth from a limited perspective.
Realize your limitations.

The sun rising and setting and running its course in the circle of the heavens and setting the beginning of each new day @ sunset within the 6 defined "portals" of its entry and exit, circling the globe, defines the days of the week, the months, and the years.
That is the POV and perspective of YHWH the Creator, not of men who wrote what He said to write, even though they themselves did not understand; God did, does -and has never changed His mind.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

To search out the matters of His revealed POV on the creation of, and movement of, the heavenly bodies and their dominion over the earth is the honor of kings.

To deny His POV as true from the beginning is foolishness.

1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Rick Otto · May 5, 2014

quote=yeshuasavedme;That is the POV and perspective of YHWH the Creator, not of men who wrote what He said to write, even though they themselves did not understand; God did, does -and has never changed His mind.
...
To deny His POV as true from the beginning is foolishness.

Unless God was talking to Himself, it is foolishness to believe He would not condescend enough to be understood.
God was establishing His authority, not taking the search of Kings out of it by scientific explanation.

Try again?

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

Rick Otto said:
Unless God was talking to Himself, it is foolishness to believe He would not condescend enough to be understood.

I think that comment is coming out of blindness of the eyes and not out of any wisdom from God.

In fact: God wrote His Word in heaven before He made the governing angels or Adam. When Adam was taken from earth below and set in the third heaven, in Paradise there, above, God had already written His Word there, and He wrote it for the angels to read and know what would befall the sons of Adam from the beginning, and Adam had access as a son of God to read the Scripture of Truth.

Daniel 10:21 read in the original language totally corroborates the fact that the Toledot of Beginnings is God's own written account of the creation of the heavens and the earth which Adam read when he dwelt in heaven above as a son of God in fellowship with the creator daily: the fact that Moses used that record as Adam would have passed it is proven in that all the ancients wrote, and Moses used their own writings to redact from in compiling the Torah histories of the beginnings as YHWH directed Moses to do.

Adam was created with a full language and the internal software programmed in for using it, which is why he so intelligently named all the animals which the Creator brought to him to name. Adam was in Paradise above, and there he had the same access to the Written Scripture of Truth that all the holy angels did.

Enoch read all the tablets of heaven, and in Daniel 10:21, he is the same messenger from heaven [I fully believe as he is the one who showed John all the things to come in Revelation and told John that he was a fellow human being and a prophet like him], who told Daniel he would show him what was written in the Scripture of Truth, and one binds [the powers of the heavens to keep them as they are written] in these things with him, "Michael", Daniel/Israel/s prince.

You comment is made unwisely from the foundation of a fable that evolution is true, and that man has evolved, which in fact: Adam kind has devolved and entered into many set backs through dark ages: the flood, the tower of Babel, and other wars, plagues and pestilences, droughts earthquakes, and so on, that decimated and brought to the dust great civilizations that had risen to great glory, but forgot God, as Psalm 9 also declares.

topcare · May 5, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
That is the POV and perspective of YHWH the Creator, not of men who wrote what He said to write, even though they themselves did not understand; God did, does -and has never changed His mind.

You seem to be under the impression that God did some kind of automatic writing when the Scriptures were penned. That is not what happened, God inspired the writers; God never forced them to write certain things. The Ancients wrote about what they could understand so the POV is from what man understood.

It is a great injustice to divorce Scripture from the time it was written and assume that is the way it has to be. The best way to understand Scripture is to read it in context of when it was written, by whom, and what was the culture like. We should never assume a literal understanding just because we want to.

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

topcare said:
You seem to be under the impression that God did some kind of automatic writing when the Scriptures were penned. That is not what happened, God inspired the writers; God never forced them to write certain things. The Ancients wrote about what they could understand so the POV is from what man understood. ....

You make the mistake of assuming Adam [who dwelt in the third heaven before his fall[, and those descended from him -right on through to Moses- were as ignorant and devolved as the human race is today.

As to automatic writing: I have never implied such a wicked thing.
I do not think you have read the posts in this thread to say such a thing.

Moses wrote Torah, but the wording and even the order of the letters are exactly what the Holy Spirit inspired, so I believe -and so believe the ancient Jews. Moses already was well informed as to the history of the creation, and of the Patriarchs, which history he redacted for Torah, because the Torah was directed by the Holy Spirit for what to say, and what to not say.

Anywhere the Word says "Thus saith YHWH", then that is exactly what God had His servants the prophets write.

But as to the Toledot of the Beginnings: that was from ancient writings that Adam passed down, which Adam read in Paradise.

The histories of the Patriarchs which Moses wrote in Torah are redacted from their own writings, as the Genesis Apocryphon -so labeled- of the DSS shows.

Before Adam wrote, God the Word wrote.
God wrote so that the angels would know what He had done, and Adam lived in the third heaven, in Paradise, and with the Watcher angels there, in fellowship with the Creator daily, and Adam read from the tablets of heaven which God the Word wrote about the beginning of creation which YHWH wrote from His own POV for His very intelligent sons to read who were created fully programmed with installed "genius" intelligence so that they could have fellowship with Him, the LORD of creation.

God did not evolve creation, He has devolved Adam kind, on purpose, as He said at the destruction of Babel.

Rick Otto · May 5, 2014

quote=yeshuasavedme;I think that comment is coming out of blindness of the eyes and not out of any wisdom from God.

I have to conclude your assessment is blind on both counts.

In fact: God wrote His Word in heaven before He made the governing angels or Adam. When Adam was taken from earth below and set in the third heaven, in Paradise there, above, God had already written His Word there, and He wrote it for the angels to read and know what would befall the sons of Adam from the beginning, and Adam had access as a son of God to read the Scripture of Truth.

Well, I agree that creation was complete in God's mind before creation began.

Daniel 10:21 read in the original language totally corroborates the fact that the Toledot of Beginnings is God's own written account of the creation of the heavens and the earth which Adam read when he dwelt in heaven above as a son of God in fellowship with the creator daily: the fact that Moses used that record as Adam would have passed it is proven in that all the ancients wrote, and Moses used their own writings to redact from in compiling the Torah histories of the beginnings as YHWH directed Moses to do.

That point is not in dispute either. I hope you address my point in your next paragraph...

Adam was created with a full language and the internal software programmed in for using it, which is why he so intelligently named all the animals which the Creator brought to him to name. Adam was in Paradise above, and there he had the same access to the Written Scripture of Truth that all the holy angels did.

Again,... beside the point.

Enoch read all the tablets of heaven, and in Daniel 10:21, he is the same messenger from heaven [I fully believe as he is the one who showed John all the things to come in Revelation and told John that he was a fellow human being and a prophet like him], who told Daniel he would show him what was written in the Scripture of Truth, and one binds [the powers of the heavens to keep them as they are written] in these things with him, "Michael", Daniel/Israel/s prince.

You're still refusing to face the fact that God was not addressing omniscient beings like Himself, and that His point wasn't to establish scientific fact, rather to provide us with the knowlege of who exactly is the creator of & authority over, scientific fact as well as spiritual realities.

You comment is made unwisely from the foundation of a fable that evolution is true, and that man has evolved, which in fact: Adam kind has devolved and entered into many set backs through dark ages: the flood, the tower of Babel, and other wars, plagues and pestilences, droughts earthquakes, and so on, that decimated and brought to the dust great civilizations that had risen to great glory, but forgot God, as Psalm 9 also declares.

You're assessment is based on pride in intellectual capacity which has failed to observe my rejection of evolution as an origin theory, even though it has some valid practical application in a narrower context.

Try again?

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

double

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

Rick Otto said:
You're still refusing to face the fact that God was not addressing omniscient beings like Himself....

God told what he did. To discover the ways He did it is for man to search out -to a point, but man can never replicate it], but He factually stated what He did do, and He wrote what Moses had a copy of and had read, so as to open the Torah with the "Toledot of beginnings" as God wrote it Himself, for His very intelligent creation. The record is written in Paradise where Adam was....

You miss the fact that Adam-kind is devolved technologically since the flood, and then since the fall of the tower of Babel, and language is confounded so as to make communication more difficult between the evil hearted human beings.
You want to make it like God did not tell the truth and left it for man to "evolve scientifically" to -lo and behold- today's times! so as to be smart enough to figure out fables of their own making which deny that God was "smart enough" to tell it like it is, on His order of creation.

God says the sun revolves around the earth, as the entire created heavens also do. He did tell us that in His word from Genesis 1, where the darkness and light circled the globe from day 1, and then, on day 2, He stretched out the heavens between the cut in two waters of this globe.
His heavens are beneath half the waters of creation, and below His waters above is the sun and the moon and the wandering stars/planets, but the "electric stars/galaxies" are apparently circling the earth within the waters above the heavens, in the "heaven of heavens" and are not so far away nor so large as is falsely taught, for the floods and atmospheric rivers and hailstones ...and so on...all come from the stars, as the Word of God says.

Rick Otto · May 5, 2014

God says the sun revolves around the earth,

No one disputes that. Please let's move on.

You miss the fact that Adam-kind is devolved technologically since the flood,...

I can agree Adam was closer to perfection than us, but that doesn't allow him the divine perspective of God.
lol, what "technology"?
God told what he did to His very intelligent creation, , we have agreed on that.
Do we agree His very intelligent creation wasn't so intelligent that it didn't need to be told?
Perhaps we can agree on WHY such an intelligent creation needed telling.
I'm believing you can see it was about principles of power & authority & not mechanics of physical facts.

yeshuasavedme · May 5, 2014

Rick Otto said:
Perhaps we can agree on WHY such an intelligent creation needed telling.
...

Because we were not there, and He didn't want to make us and then say; "You're on your own".
Why would He not tell us or tell His angels?

He has been involved with man intimately from the beginning.
Not only did He tell us the "Toledot of the beginnings", but He has told us the generations of the endings, too..

Rick Otto · May 5, 2014

Selective focus at work?
I'm believing you can see it was about principles of power & authority & not mechanics of physical facts.

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