The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

JacobLaw · Apr 27, 2014

YSM,
I think you are courageous for standing up for the truth in the face of all the mocking and harassing you had to endure. Your videos are great and if those mocking and accusing of falsely being deluded could honestly view them the would be ashamed.
Keep up the good work; loving the new videos.
JL

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

Cogent said:
Face it YSM, you're the one who's deluded for believing a geocentric model. Not us, time to come to grips with the reality of how God has ordered the cosmos.

Careful cogent, you might want to rein in the "deluded" comments as I believe those ARE contrary to rules.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

JacobLaw said:
YSM,
I think you are courageous for standing up for the truth in the face of all the mocking and harassing you had to endure. Your videos are great and if those mocking and accusing of falsely being deluded could honestly view them the would be ashamed.
Keep up the good work; loving the new videos.
JL

You know what I love? The reality that God didn't order the universe according to the KJV's mistranslation of Scripture.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

here's the sun, doing it's sun thing and being much more awesome than any lamp could ever be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwCT4ycaNU

Gnarwhal · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
Careful cogent, you might want to rein in the "deluded" comments as I believe those ARE contrary to rules.

Are they? Hm. OK, if you say so...

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
1. IF the sun is an electric lamp, .

I said the Word says it is a "Menorah", and that it is "electric", but not a lamp like a wire to it. There is no way to compare the great power house of the universe to a little lamp, and you know that I did not say so.
There is plenty of science on "the electric sun" available for your perusal online. You might want to learn about plasma cosmology and the sun...
The Electric Sun/Earth Connection Confirmed

It is an electric universe, from the beginning.

The light God called into being on day 1 is governed/ruled by the sun by day and the moon by night. The sun gets that light from the universe through some action of the stars and gives it in measures to the moon....

The temple of God set in the created sun is made of cut/tessalated crystal/diamonds and pillars of fire.
-Prove it ain't so, dude, by the Word of God alone!
But as to the cut crystal walls and the pillars of fire making that temple; there are apparently planets/wandering stars, which have oceans of diamonds and floating "diamond-bergs": [Diamond Oceans Possible on Uranus, Neptune : Discovery News When scientists melted diamond under high temperatures and pressure and then resolidified, the solid diamond chunks floated on top of liquid diamond].
It was just as easy for God to send His angels of power to mine them for building His temple as it is for Him to send them to harvest the great pearls for the doors of the heavenly edit correction: City of God.

Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

God said He set His temple/dwelling place where His created throne is, in the sun.
...

Enoch described the temple of God like so:

And the vision was shown to me thus: Behold, in the vision clouds invited me and a mist summoned me, and the course of the stars and the lightnings sped and hastened me, and the winds in 9 the vision caused me to fly and lifted me upward, and bore me into heaven.
And I went in till I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: and it began to affright 10 me. And I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: and the walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was 11 of crystal. Its ceiling was like the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were 12 fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water.
A flaming fire surrounded the walls, and its 13 portals blazed with fire.
[There was no City of God in that temple, no paradise, no delights of life]
And I entered into that house, and it was hot as fire and cold as ice: there 14 were no delights of life therein:fear covered me, and trembling got hold upon me.

And as I quaked 15 and trembled, I fell upon my face. And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater 16 than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire. And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to 17 you its splendour and its extent.
And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path 18 of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire.
Translation into English without understanding adds many fill in words, which change meaning, as in the verse below. The original words lend themselves to "the wheels [of it] were the shining sun".

And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of 19 cherubim. And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look 20 thereon.

And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and 21 was whiter than any snow. None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason 22 of the magnificence and glory and no flesh could behold Him.

The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times 23 ten thousand (stood) before Him, yet He needed no counselor. And the most holy ones who were 24 nigh to Him did not leave by night nor depart from Him.
And until then I had been prostrate on my face, trembling: and the Lord called me with His own mouth, and said to me: ' Come hither, 25 Enoch, and hear my word.' And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me, and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Book Of Psalms Psalm 18 Psalm 18 [19 in AV]: Douay Rheims:
[1] Unto the end. A psalm for David.
[2] The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.
[3] Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night sheweth knowledge.
[4] There are no speeches nor languages, where their voices are not heard. [5] Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth: and their words unto the ends of the world.
[6] He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way: [7] His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

1 [For the end, a Psalm of David.] The ... PSALMS / ΨΑΛΜΟΙ18 - Bilingual Septuagint Septuagint to English:
[FONT=Palatino Linotype,Athena] [For the end, a Psalm of David.] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims the work of his hands. 2 Day to day utters speech, and night to night proclaims knowledge. 3 There are no speeches or words, in which their voices are not heard. 4 Their voice is gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. 5 In the sun he has set his tabernacle; and he come forth as a bridegroom out of his chamber: he will exult as a giant to run his course. 6 His going forth is from the extremity of heaven, and his circuit to the [other] end of heaven: and no one shall be hidden from his heat. [/FONT]

Latin Vulgate Old Testament Bible - Psalms 18
Latin Vulgate to English:

6 soli posuit tabernaculum in eis et ipse quasi sponsus procedens de thalamo suo exultavit ut fortis ad currendam viam

in sole posuit tabernaculum suum et ipse tamquam sponsus procedens de thalamo suo exultavit ut gigans ad currendam viam suam;

He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he as a bridegroom coming out of his bridechamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:

7 a summitate caeli egressus eius et cursus eius usque ad summitatem illius nec est qui se abscondat a calore eius

a summo caeli egressio eius et occursus eius usque ad summum eius nec est qui se abscondat a calore eius

His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

Psa 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

Psa 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
I said the Word says it is a "Menorah", and that it is "electric", but not a lamp like a wire to it. There is no way to compare the great power house of the universe to a little lamp, and you know that I did not say so.

Umm, a menorah is not electric. It's combustion powered. That is not what happens inside the sun. The sun produces light (note, not creates) by forcing the electron to leave the proton of hydrogen atoms and then smashing those protons together to form helium

There is plenty of science on "the electric sun" available for your perusal online. You might want to learn about plasma cosmology and the sun...
The Electric Sun/Earth Connection Confirmed

/You mean pseudoscience, since none of their assumptions are in the slightest bit true

It is an electric universe, from the beginning.

While electricity has existed as long as matter, this is a MATERIAL universe, because without matter, electricity could not exist, because electrons are a type of matter.

The light God called into being on day 1 is governed/ruled by the sun by day and the moon by night. The sun gets that light from the universe through some action of the stars and gives it in measures to the moon....

Light isn't electricity. Light is made of photons, electricity is made of electrons. Those are two very different particles, as shown in experiments worldwids.

The temple of God set in the created sun is made of cut/tessalated crystal/diamonds and pillars of fire.
-Prove it ain't so, dude, by the Word of God alone!

Dude, that's the Temple in the New Heaven and New Earth AFTER the Final Judgement. John was speaking of future events, as he was in almost all of Revelation. The New Temple does not yet exist. It will exist. In fact, that Temple, with the crystals, diamonds, and pillars of fire, will exist in the New Jerusalem, and will be the crowning glory of the locations on Christ's eternal earthly Kingdom

You're looking at future events and trying to read them into present reality. That doesn't work. That's your issue, everything in Scripture hasn't been fulfilled. We are not yet perfect. Sin still reigns on earth, as evident in the rampant warfare and evil in our society.

Gnarwhal · Apr 27, 2014

YSM, for the last time - just read Counterknowledge by Damian Thompson.

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yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
Umm, a menorah is not electric.

The sun is called a menorah,and how it gets its light to pour out is not the point.
The electric power of the universe is poured into the sun, and is refracted out to the entire universe.

SolomonVII · Apr 27, 2014

SolomonVII · Apr 27, 2014

Original Biblical cosmology wasn't geocentric. It was waters above, waters below, a mound of land in between surrounding waters, and a domed firmament holding back the waters from inundating the land.

The word is used in the Genesis creation narrative:

Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.[8]

An extremely literalistic interpretation of the Bible and non-canonical related texts present a cosmology that is incompatible with modern scientific knowledge.[9] The firmament was a great solid dome which, according to the pseudepedigraphic 2nd or 3rd century book of 3 Baruch, might be pierced by tower and gimlet.[10] It had many windows, some of which opened and closed for the sun and moon to travel through[11] or to let water, which was held above, fall through as rain.[12] On top there were also warehouses of snow and hail.[13] Stars were small objects that were attached tenuously to its surface.[14]

The Jewish Encyclopedia describes the firmament as follows:

The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.[15]

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
The sun is called a menorah,and how it gets its light to pour out is not the point.
The electric power of the universe is poured into the sun, and is refracted out to the entire universe.

Funny. nobody can see the candlesticks under the sun. Besides that, a Menorah also has more than one candle.

And the word ELECTRIC is a direct description of HOW it works. A menorah is not ELECTRIC. It is COMBUSTIVE.

Also, light is not electric. IT is LIGHT. It is PHOTONIC.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
this is a MATERIAL universe....

This is a totally supernatural universe created by a supernatural God by His supernatural Words and upheld by His supernatural powers.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
an 2:22
He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

The temple of God set in the created sun is made of cut/tessalated crystal/diamonds and pillars of fire.
-Prove it ain't so, dude, by the Word of God alone!

sculleywr said:
Dude, that's the Temple in the New Heaven and New Earth AFTER the Final Judgement.

John was speaking of future events, as he was in almost all of Revelation. The New Temple does not yet exist. It will exist. In fact, that Temple, with the crystals, diamonds, and pillars of fire, will exist in the New Jerusalem, and will be the crowning glory of the locations on Christ's eternal earthly Kingdom

David the prophet wrote of God's created temple set in His created sun in Psalm 18 [19 in AV] and the Hebrew, Greek Septuagint, and Latin Vulgate all say the same. Only in modern times of unbelief in the pure word have men translated that as gibberish.

Enoch the prophet saw it all before the flood, and reported on it.

And there is no temple in the New Jerusalem. I mis-wrote temple in the passage I pasted, which itself is self explanatory. It is the Gates of the City of God that are pearls and that City is being built.

Otherwise, the temple of God in heaven is set in the sun, and as Enoch wrote, it is built of cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire, and you need to learn about plasma cosmology, cause you have a lot of wrong information, and you have it because you do believe the Word of God is true from the beginning and you have accepted the lies of men of unbelief and do not even look into the Word to learn what God said and meant, which is the Truth, from the beginning.

Rev 21:

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
This is a totally supernatural universe created by a supernatural God by His supernatural Words and upheld by His supernatural powers.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
an 2:22
He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

The temple of God set in the created sun is made of cut/tessalated crystal/diamonds and pillars of fire.
-Prove it ain't so, dude, by the Word of God alone!

David the prophet wrote of God's created temple set in His created sun in Psalm 18 [19 in AV] and the Hebrew, Greek Septuagint, and Latin Vulgate all say the same. Only in modern times of unbelief in the pure word have men translated that as gibberish.

Enoch the prophet saw it all before the flood, and reported on it.

And there is no temple in the New Jerusalem. I mis-wrote temple in the passage I pasted, which itself is self explanatory. It is the Gates of the City of God that are pearls and that City is being built.

Otherwise, the temple of God in heaven is set in the sun, and as Enoch wrote, it is built of cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire, and you need to learn about plasma cosmology, cause you have a lot of wrong information, and you have it because you do believe the Word of God is true from the beginning and you have accepted the lies of men of unbelief and do not even look into the Word to learn what God said and meant, which is the Truth, from the beginning.

Rev 21:

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Nice Gnostic statement. The Gnostics also didn't believe in the importance of matter. Christ, however, was a physical being.

To promote Gnostic beliefs outside of the non-orthodox forums is a violation of the rules. Do you wish to retract the statement of a Gnostic belief?

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
Nice Gnostic statement. The Gnostics also didn't believe in the importance of matter. Christ, however, was a physical being.

To promote Gnostic beliefs outside of the non-orthodox forums is a violation of the rules. Do you wish to retract the statement of a Gnostic belief?

Stop lying about what I say and believe.
There is not one single gnostic statement in anything I have said.

The creation is supernatural.

We are supernatural.
Everything that elementally exists was brought into being by a supernatural act of God the Word speaking it into being.

The creation is a supernatural creation supernaturally created by the Word of God and supernaturally held together by the same Word of God.

In Him we live and move and have our being, and He is the father of the Spirits of all flesh and the father of all spirits.

22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh....

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:...
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom....

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

I said:

This is a totally supernatural universe created by a supernatural God by His supernatural Words and upheld by His supernatural powers.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
an 2:22
He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

The temple of God set in the created sun is made of cut/tessalated crystal/diamonds and pillars of fire.
-Prove it ain't so, dude, by the Word of God alone!

David the prophet wrote of God's created temple set in His created sun in Psalm 18 [19 in AV] and the Hebrew, Greek Septuagint, and Latin Vulgate all say the same. Only in modern times of unbelief in the pure word have men translated that as gibberish.

Enoch the prophet saw it all before the flood, and reported on it.

And there is no temple in the New Jerusalem. I mis-wrote temple in the passage I pasted, which itself is self explanatory. It is the Gates of the City of God that are pearls and that City is being built.

Otherwise, the temple of God in heaven is set in the sun, and as Enoch wrote, it is built of cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire, and you need to learn about plasma cosmology, cause you have a lot of wrong information, and you have it because you do believe the Word of God is true from the beginning and you have accepted the lies of men of unbelief and do not even look into the Word to learn what God said and meant, which is the Truth, from the beginning.

Rev 21:

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Stop lying about what I say and believe.
There is not one single gnostic statement in anything I have said.

The creation is supernatural.

We are supernatural.
Everything that elementally exists was brought into being by a supernatural act of God the Word speaking it into being.

The creation is a supernatural creation supernaturally created by the Word of God and supernaturally held together by the same Word of God.

In Him we live and move and have our being, and He is the father of the Spirits of all flesh and the father of all spirits.Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:...
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom....

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

I said:

You said this is a "completely supernatural universe". What is supernatural is not material, and therefore that is a Gnostic statement. Albeit, it is a Gnostic statement that goes even farther than any Gnostic would ever go, but it is, fundamentally, a denial of material importance, and thus a Gnostic statement.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
....

And the word ELECTRIC is a direct description of HOW it works. A menorah is not ELECTRIC. It is COMBUSTIVE.

Also, light is not electric. IT is LIGHT. It is PHOTONIC.

Lightning is electric.

Jesus is the Light and He is the Sun of Righteousness; and the saints will shine like the stars, and like the firmament, forever and forever...
Jesus and the saints and the sun and the stars are not combustive.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

The seven stars Jesus holds in His hand are angels, they are not "combustive". The seven candlesticks/menorah John saw are the seven Churches of Asia, they are not combustive.

Revelation 1:20

King James Version (KJV)

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The created temple set in the created sun is opened in Revelation, and there is "lightning", and etc...

Rev 11: 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Lightning is electric.

Jesus is the Light and He is the Sun of Righteousness; and the saints will shine like the stars, and like the firmament, forever and forever...
Jesus and the saints and the sun and the stars are not combustive.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

The seven stars Jesus holds in His hand are angels, they are not "combustive". The seven candlesticks/menorah John saw are the seven Churches of Asia, they are not combustive.

Revelation 1:20

King James Version (KJV)

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The created temple set in the created sun is opened in Revelation, and there is "lightning", and etc...

Lightning is not light. It produces light by causing atoms to emit photons, but it is not, itself, light. Light is also produced by combustion, nuclear fusion and fission, and the annihilation of matter with antimatter.

Also, have you ever heard of metaphor?

A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison, the same as another otherwise unrelated object. Metaphor is a type of analogy and is closely related to other rhetorical figures of speech that achieve their effects via association, comparison or resemblance including allegory, hyperbole, and simile.
In simpler terms, a metaphor compares two objects/things without using the words "like" or "as".
One of the most prominent examples of a metaphor in English literature is the All the world's a stage monologue from As You Like It:

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances;
William Shakespeare, As You Like It, 2/7[1]

This quotation contains a metaphor because the world is not literally a stage. By figuratively asserting that the world is a stage, Shakespeare uses the points of comparison between the world and a stage to convey an understanding about the mechanics of the world and the lives of the people within it.
The Philosophy of Rhetoric (1936) by I. A. Richards describes a metaphor as having two parts: the tenor and the vehicle. The tenor is the subject to which attributes are ascribed. The vehicle is the object whose attributes are borrowed. In the previous example, "the world" is compared to a stage, describing it with the attributes of "the stage"; "the world" is the tenor, and "a stage" is the vehicle; "men and women" is a secondary tenor, "players" is the secondary vehicle.
Other writers employ the general terms ground and figure to denote tenor and the vehicle. In cognitive linguistics, the terms target and source are used respectively.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 27, 2014

sculleywr said:
You said this is a "completely supernatural universe". What is supernatural is not material, and therefore that is a Gnostic statement. Albeit, it is a Gnostic statement that goes even farther than any Gnostic would ever go, but it is, fundamentally, a denial of material importance, and thus a Gnostic statement.

You need to get a grip.
This is a supernatural creation, not made of things that can be seen. That is the Word of God!
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

su·per·nat·u·ral

adjective \ˌsü-pər-ˈna-chə-rəl, -ˈnach-rəl\ : unable to be explained by science or the laws of nature : of, relating to, or seeming to come from magic, a god, etc.

Full Definition of SUPERNATURAL

1
: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil

Just did a search to see if I could help you get a grip on the supernatural creation -"ex-nihilo": I think answersingenesis has lots of papers online that can help you, too.

Origin of the Universe - Mission Boulevard Baptist Church

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/creation/universe.htmThe creation science model conforms to the scientific data, explains the evidence, and does not contradict the scientific law. I like to sum the conclusion in four points.

Energy was not created by natural (physical) means.

Yet, the universe exists as energy.

If the energy of the universe was not created naturally, then it must have been created supernaturally.

The creation model conforms to the data.

Some object that concluding a supernatural origin of energy is unscientific. They justify this criticism by saying that the supernatural cannot be tested. But this objection fails to acknowledge that it is the scientific observations and method that lead to this conclusion. Confusion about the scientific conclusion for the supernatural origin of energy is resolved by recognizing the difference between being able to determine the mechanism of how energy was created, from being able to determine that energy was created supernaturally. We do not have to how something happened in order to know that it did happen.
In contrast to the creation science model, the evolution model proposes that the universe originated by natural means. However, this conclusion contradicts the first law of thermodynamics, which says energy is not created by natural means. Therefore, evolution is proposing an explanation that contradicts a known scientific law and thus, does not qualify as a credible scientific model for the origin of the universe.

sculleywr · Apr 27, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You need to get a grip.
This is a supernatural creation, not made of things that can be seen. That is the Word of God!
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Just did a search to see if I could help you get a grip on the supernatural creation -"ex-nihilo": I think answersingenesis has lots of papers online that can help you, too.

Origin of the Universe - Mission Boulevard Baptist Church

Just because the universe was created supernaturally does not mean it FUNCTIONS supernaturally. God ordained certain natural laws that would govern the world. For instance, the natural law that states that animals will reproduce after their own kind.

Your geocentric model breaks those natural laws and misrepresents both science and Christianity.

The universe is a natural universe made of matter. It was created by a supernatural God and shares a completely different nature from God.

The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

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