The strongest argument for the existence of God

[zoidar]

Do you got 5 minutes? This is for us Christians who want to draw people to Christ, but also for unbelievers, to maybe look inside why they don't believe or don't want to believe in God.

 

[Nithavela]

I totally agree, you need to tailor your message to people if you want to convince them. I talso helps if they are emotionally vulnerable.

 

[ozso]

I love listening to John Lennox.

 

[Matt5]

Flip the script. Make the atheist justify their god and religion.

Most atheists like to sit back and attack Christianity. They think they are safe. Well, they aren't safe.

Most atheists believe in god. They believe in the god of equality. One can know this is true, because the ideas and rules of equality are treated like they have been handed down by god. One can never question them.

I like to go after the religion of atheists - the religion of equality. I point out how they believe in fables. Mostly it's about the Emperor's New Clothes. Everybody knows that we aren't equal. Everybody is different. We aren't equal before the law (divorce court). We don't have equal opportunity. It's all fantasy, yet we must lie.

You know, the Tower of Babel was really about equality. That's why stones (everybody unequal) and bricks (everybody equal) show up early in the text. Then there is the issue of building altars to God with stones because bricks are not allowed.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Flip the script. Make the atheist justify their god and religion.

Atheists have neither a god nor a religion.

Most atheists like to sit back and attack Christianity. They think they are safe. Well, they aren't safe.

Not safe from what?

Most atheists believe in god.

No they don't.

They believe in the god of equality. One can know this is true, because the ideas and rules of equality are treated like they have been handed down by god. One can never question them.

I know of no atheist anywhere, here or other boards, that believe this. Stop making things up just to make yourself feel better.

I like to go after the religion of atheists - the religion of equality. I point out how they believe in fables. Mostly it's about the Emperor's New Clothes. Everybody knows that we aren't equal. Everybody is different. We aren't equal before the law (divorce court). We don't have equal opportunity. It's all fantasy, yet we must lie.

It appears that you are living in a fantasy.

You know, the Tower of Babel was really about equality.

Making more stuff up.

That's why stones (everybody unequal) and bricks (everybody equal) show up early in the text. Then there is the issue of building altars to God with stones because bricks are not allowed.

What? Patent nonsense.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

Flip the script. Make the atheist justify their god and religion.

Most atheists like to sit back and attack Christianity. They think they are safe. Well, they aren't safe.

Most atheists believe in god. They believe in the god of equality. One can know this is true, because the ideas and rules of equality are treated like they have been handed down by god. One can never question them.

I like to go after the religion of atheists - the religion of equality. I point out how they believe in fables. Mostly it's about the Emperor's New Clothes. Everybody knows that we aren't equal. Everybody is different. We aren't equal before the law (divorce court). We don't have equal opportunity. It's all fantasy, yet we must lie.

You know, the Tower of Babel was really about equality. That's why stones (everybody unequal) and bricks (everybody equal) show up early in the text. Then there is the issue of building altars to God with stones because bricks are not allowed.

I think you're confusing atheists with liberals. You don't have to value equality to be an atheist. You just have to not believe in any God or gods.

 

[Matt5]

Atheists have neither a god nor a religion.

Not safe from what?

No they don't.
I know of no atheist anywhere, here or other boards, that believe this. Stop making things up just to make yourself feel better.

It appears that you are living in a fantasy.

Making more stuff up. What? Patent nonsense.

We know your game. Stop with the gaslighting.

Atheists are the ultimate in playing the gaslighting game. Constantly trying to alter the perception of reality.

If there is no god then

- why attack religions which were written by men?
- why not adopt an existing religion which was written by men?

Can you say hidden agenda?

The real hidden agenda of atheists is to replace the old rules of right and wrong (mostly from Christianity) and replace them with their own rules of right and wrong. Then, of course, there is more gaslighting by claiming their rules are not a religion.

But what about the god thing?

Look at the behavior of atheists. Look at how they treat their own rules of right and wrong. Clearly, there is no doubt that atheists believe in their own god who handed down their rules. If you try to question their rules then they'll try to get you fired from your job, get you kicked off of social media, and in some cases make you endure violence. Such devotion to their god.

Atheists are one nasty group who are determined to gaslight us, ram their religion (of equality) down our throats and make us bow down to their god.

 

[Tinker Grey]

We know your game. Stop with the gaslighting.

Nope. Your whole argument is one massive strawman. It's a picture perfect representation of this fallacy.

 

[Nithavela]

Flip the script. Make the atheist justify their god and religion.

Most atheists like to sit back and attack Christianity. They think they are safe. Well, they aren't safe.

Most atheists believe in god. They believe in the god of equality. One can know this is true, because the ideas and rules of equality are treated like they have been handed down by god. One can never question them.

I like to go after the religion of atheists - the religion of equality. I point out how they believe in fables. Mostly it's about the Emperor's New Clothes. Everybody knows that we aren't equal. Everybody is different. We aren't equal before the law (divorce court). We don't have equal opportunity. It's all fantasy, yet we must lie.

You know, the Tower of Babel was really about equality. That's why stones (everybody unequal) and bricks (everybody equal) show up early in the text. Then there is the issue of building altars to God with stones because bricks are not allowed.

How many atheists have you convinced to become atheistic to their atheist god?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

We know your game. Stop with the gaslighting.

Atheists are the ultimate in playing the gaslighting game. Constantly trying to alter the perception of reality.

If there is no god then

- why attack religions which were written by men?
- why not adopt an existing religion which was written by men?

Can you say hidden agenda?

The real hidden agenda of atheists is to replace the old rules of right and wrong (mostly from Christianity) and replace them with their own rules of right and wrong. Then, of course, there is more gaslighting by claiming their rules are not a religion.

But what about the god thing?

Look at the behavior of atheists. Look at how they treat their own rules of right and wrong. Clearly, there is no doubt that atheists believe in their own god who handed down their rules. If you try to question their rules then they'll try to get you fired from your job, get you kicked off of social media, and in some cases make you endure violence. Such devotion to their god.

Atheists are one nasty group who are determined to gaslight us, ram their religion (of equality) down our throats and make us bow down to their god.

When you are so far removed from reality that you think atheists believe in gods, I bet a lot of things seem like gaslighting to you.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

We know your game. Stop with the gaslighting.

Atheists are the ultimate in playing the gaslighting game.

I've been reported for lesser offenses against Christians in general. Do you care about the rules?

Constantly trying to alter the perception of reality.

If there is no god then

- why attack religions which were written by men?
- why not adopt an existing religion which was written by men?

Ah, it seems you've not even read the rules. Let me stop you here. There is a sticky thread in this forum describing the statement of purpose. You were supposed to read it before posting.

Can you say hidden agenda?

The real hidden agenda of atheists is to replace the old rules of right and wrong (mostly from Christianity) and replace them with their own rules of right and wrong. Then, of course, there is more gaslighting by claiming their rules are not a religion.

But what about the god thing?

Look at the behavior of atheists. Look at how they treat their own rules of right and wrong. Clearly, there is no doubt that atheists believe in their own god who handed down their rules. If you try to question their rules then they'll try to get you fired from your job, get you kicked off of social media, and in some cases make you endure violence. Such devotion to their god.

Atheists are one nasty group who are determined to gaslight us, ram their religion (of equality) down our throats and make us bow down to their god.

I get banned from this site all the time. Often times when I feel I've been banned for something pretty or something that isn't even against the rules, I suggest they just ban me permanently. Ultimately, this is my recognition that it's their right to ban users for any reason. Otherwise, we're talking about compelled speech. They cannot be compelled to host any speech from any user. Social media sites operate in the same way.

By the way, where's the agape love? I'm not seeing you bring any arguments for the existence of God, so if you don't at least bring agape love to the table then I question what fruit it is that you think you're bearing. If you are not the right hand or the heart of the body of Christ, then what part are you? Perhaps a wart?

Ancient Christians were skewered on spikes by their enemies. A spike was placed through their anus and up out of their mouth, careful to avoid vital organs so that they survive like that until they die of thirst. These Christians had no hope of a Christian world. Their own lives were done for. And yet they loved their enemies. And now here you are, living in a world dominated by Christianity - even the calendar itself is Christian - and you cannot even express agape love for someone who's maybe saying mean things on the internet.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Do you got 5 minutes? This is for us Christians who want to draw people to Christ, but also for unbelievers, to maybe look inside why they don't believe or don't want to believe in God.

My thoughts on the video:

1) Atheism is not a philosophy. Atheism is an answer to the question "Does God exist?". That's it. Atheists believe in different things and commonly do not hold common beliefs.

2) The best argument against God is hiddenness. The problem of evil is an argument for an immoral god not whether a god exists or not.

3) He is just another Christian that thinks he knows what non believers think and "really" believe. He doesn't.

4) The reasons I lost my faith over a 2 year period was studying to find out why I actually believed. What I found was that the reasons I believed were no longer convincing and I became unconvinced. I have not found any evidence that has convinced me that a god exists. This is the real reason I do not believe.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Atheists are one nasty group who are determined to gaslight us, ram their religion (of equality) down our throats and make us bow down to their god.

If this was our goal we would have accomplished it by now.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Atheists are one nasty group who are determined to gaslight us, ram their religion (of equality) down our throats and make us bow down to their god.

If this was our goal we would have accomplished it by now.

When someone frames a group as "nasty" "gas-lighting" evil people they no longer have to take anything someone from that group says seriously. At that point, they don't have to scrutinize their own position and can rest comfortably there.

 

[zoidar]

If this was our goal we would have accomplished it by now.

Many or my friends are Atheists or Agnostics, we are still good friends. Sometimes we discuss faith and religion, but most or the time we talk about life in general and practical matters. It's just that we at this time can't share or support each others in "spiritual" matters. Who knows how it will turn out. They are in my prayers.

Thanks for your input, post #12 BTW!

What do you think of Jesus and testimonies about him?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Many or my friends are Atheists or Agnostics, we are still good friends. Sometimes we discuss faith and religion, but most or the time we talk about life in general and practical matters. It's just that we at this time can't share or support each others in "spiritual" matters. Who knows how it will turn out. They are in my prayers.

Same with me. All my good friends are Christians, we have learned to talk about issues and religion between us.

Thanks for your input, post #12 BTW!

Your welcome. I liked his attitude and concern for non believers, I just don't think he believes us when we say we are not convinced by the evidence.

What do you think of Jesus and testimonies about him?

We don't have any eyewitness testimonies. We have accounts of eyewitness testimonies. Maybe Jesus existed but there is not sufficient evidence to believe Jesus existed as described in the bible. It is also curious that all we know about Jesus is from the bible.

 

[zoidar]

Same with me. All my good friends are Christians, we have learned to talk about issues and religion between us.

Your welcome. I liked his attitude and concern for non believers, I just don't think he believes us when we say we are not convinced by the evidence.

We don't have any eyewitness testimonies. We have accounts of eyewitness testimonies. Maybe Jesus existed but there is not sufficient evidence to believe Jesus existed as described in the bible. It is also curious that all we know about Jesus is from the bible.

There are non-Christian sources of Jesus:

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

There are non-Christian sources of Jesus:

None of them were eyewitness accounts.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

There are non-Christian sources of Jesus:

Christians: The Romans attempted to stamp out Christianity from existence.

Also Christians: Josephus defected to the Romans and they then allowed him to write glowingly about Jesus.

 

[Matt5]

If this was our goal we would have accomplished it by now.

You're mostly there.