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Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
That's already settled. The FBI told the judge that they knew the stolen documents where in Trump's place. And when they searched his property, they found them. No point in denial.

What ? Nothings been settled. No charges filed, no affidavit released, no Trump lawyers allowed to watch FBI ( which is normally not the case). Only leaks from an unreliable MSM. Some believe the documents the FBI were really after were documents that show the FBI's shady illegal role in the Russian hoax the went nowhere.

Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Well, let's see how that went...

Here Are All of the Indictments, Guilty Pleas and Convictions From Robert Mueller's Investigation
Here Are All of the Indictments, Guilty Pleas and Convictions From Robert Mueller's Investigation

Thirteen people convicted of, or pleading guilty to felonies in the Russia collusion investigation. Sounds like it was more real than Trump and his underlings wanted it to be.

Well none of those "Crimes" led to the ultimate goal of taking down Trump. The Russia collusion sham was just a hoax from the beginning. You should really do your homework on some of some of those convictions. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying only because the government had run him into bankruptcy and threatened to go after his son. And what about the crooked Flynn judge? How did that work out? A conviction by the deep state does not always indicate guilt. People are often wrongly charged and convicted for political reasons. Its the same thing they are trying to do with the Mar-a-lago farce. In my opinion a lot of people will be eating crow on this one.

All Becomes New · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
But the rioters, as you saw, were Trump followers. MAGA hats, Trump banners, fighting police, smashing windows, attacking the Capitol.

It wasn't just on Jan 6, either. Police have rounded up many white supremacists and other Trump supporters who tried to disrupt other protests by rioting, looting, and even killing police. Would you like me to show you?

You don't seem to know much about Antifa, but you know a whole lot about Trump supporters.

These are just facts. For example:

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

January 6 was just the most covered case; there were many other such events where right-wing rioters were arrested for various crimes. Want to see more?

The exception does not make the rule.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Jesse Dornfeld said:
You don't seem to know much about Antifa, but you know a whole lot about Trump supporters.

Well, Trump rioters have been pretty busy, lately.

Jesse Dornfeld said:
The exception does not make the rule.

Well, that's a testable assumption. Show us an Antifa member who killed several police officers. I think you're very mistaken there.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Postvieww said:
Well none of those "Crimes" led to the ultimate goal of taking down Trump.

The ultimate goal was to take down criminals working against the United States. Mueller did that very, very well. Yes, Trump pardoned a mess of them, but they are still convicted criminals. Mueller said that his investigation did not clear Trump and showed that Trump did obstruct justice in several ways. But he was working on the premise that he could not indict a sitting president. But Trump's role in these crimes by his people certainly did play a part in his firing by the American people.

Postvieww said:
Flynn pleaded guilty to lying only because the government had run him into bankruptcy and threatened to go after his son.

He pleaded guilty because the FBI had a record of him lying to them about his contacts with Russian agents. You know that.

Postvieww said:
People are often wrongly charged and convicted for political reasons.

In these cases, they had more than enough evidence to bring down those criminals who were working for Trump. No point in denial.

Postvieww said:
In my opinion a lot of people will be eating crow on this one.

It's already started. A number of Trump defenders are now walking back their claims, as we get more information on the stolen documents.

Fierce GOP Trump Defender Finally Admits On CNN: 'No,' He Wouldn't Swipe Docs

Earlier Turner — the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee — had argued that it’s Congress that should determine how important the official records are that Trump had stashed at Mar-a-Lago — whether or not they were classified or even top secret.
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FBI agents last Monday collected around 20 boxes of items from Trump’s residence, including 11 sets of classified information, some of it top secret material. Every official document, whether classified or not, is by law supposed to be held by the National Archives.

The former president is now being probed for possible violation of the Espionage Act, obstruction of an investigation, and removing or destroying records.

Keilar waited for her moment in the interview, then asked Turner: “Do you take home documents marked “special access” — as Trump did?

“No,” he finally answered.
Fierce GOP Trump Defender Finally Admits On CNN: 'No,' He Wouldn't Swipe Docs

All Becomes New · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Well, Trump rioters have been pretty busy, lately.

Nice dodge.

Well, that's a testable assumption. Show us an Antifa member who killed several police officers. I think you're very mistaken there.

You mean the ones walking around with baseball bats?

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Barbarian suggesting why the media has been covering Trump rioters:
Well, Trump rioters have been pretty busy, lately.

Jesse Dornfeld said:
Nice dodge

They probably thought so. But turns out, the law still applies to stuff like attacking police, breaking and entering, and theft. Some of Trump's people were truly surprised when they realized that they'd be held accountable for their crimes.

Well, that's a testable assumption. Show us an Antifa member who killed several police officers. I think you're very mistaken there.

Jesse Dornfeld said:
You mean the ones walking around with baseball bats?

No one else can find any cases, either. Maybe that's a clue for you? There is this...

But he was a Trump follower and he never actually killed anyone. Try again?

All Becomes New · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Barbarian suggesting why the media has been covering Trump rioters:
Well, Trump rioters have been pretty busy, lately.

They probably thought so. But turns out, the law still applies to stuff like attacking police, breaking and entering, and theft. Some of Trump's people were truly surprised when they realized that they'd be held accountable for their crimes.

Well, that's a testable assumption. Show us an Antifa member who killed several police officers. I think you're very mistaken there.

No one else can find any cases, either. Maybe that's a clue for you? There is this...

But he was a Trump follower and he never actually killed anyone. Try again?

You would be a lot better educated if you paid attention to both sides of the argument. I literally saw in video, several times, Antifa members with baseball bats forcefully nudging people to walk certain places. Something tells me at some point they did more than just nudge people. Antifa is a violent bunch and you must have been drinking the Koolaid when Antifa was rioting all across the US in 2020 which the Journalists said was, "mostly peaceful" while there was a burning building in the background.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

January 6 was just the most covered case; there were many other such events where right-wing rioters were arrested for various crimes. Want to see more?

Jesse Dornfeld said:
I literally saw in video, several times, Antifa members with baseball bats forcefully nudging people to walk certain places.

"Forcefully nudging." Well, that certainly puts it all in perspective, doesn't it?

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Jesse Dornfeld said:
Antifa is a violent bunch

Yeah, all those Antifa guys running around forcefully nudging people...

and you must have been drinking the Koolaid when Antifa was rioting all across the US in 2020

Name the cities and show us that they were Antifa, and not right wing rioters. Right wing rioters were doing more than just killing police; they were burning buildings and firing into police buildings. Want to see that?

which the Journalists said was, "mostly peaceful"

You're confusing the peaceful BLM protests with Antifa and white supremacist riots.

while there was a burning building in the background.

Yeah, I remember that one...

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest
Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

He was trying to disrupt the protest and incite a riot. He even pretended to be a BLM supporter:

Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds from a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the 3rd precinct police station while people believed to be looters were inside. He then high-fived another person and shouted, “Justice for Floyd!” according to the complaint.
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Hunter is the third alleged “Boogaloo Boi” to be charged in connection with protests in Minneapolis. Across the country, the “Boogaloo” movement has been linked to more than two dozen arrests and at least five deaths this year, including the alleged plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer.
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Fortunately for law enforcement, right wing extremists aren't very bright. He bragged about it on social media. So pretty eash to catch.

All Becomes New · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Name the cities and show us that they were Antifa, and not right wing rioters. Right wing rioters were doing more than just killing police; they were burning buildings and firing into police buildings. Want to see that?

Okay, keep lying to yourself.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Name the cities and show us that they were Antifa, and not right wing rioters. Right wing rioters were doing more than just killing police; they were burning buildings and firing into police buildings. Want to see that?

Jesse Dornfeld said:
Okay, keep lying to yourself.

Denial isn't going to be much use to you, now...

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest
Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

He was trying to disrupt the protest and incite a riot. He even pretended to be a BLM supporter:

Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds from a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the 3rd precinct police station while people believed to be looters were inside. He then high-fived another person and shouted, “Justice for Floyd!” according to the complaint.
...
Hunter is the third alleged “Boogaloo Boi” to be charged in connection with protests in Minneapolis. Across the country, the “Boogaloo” movement has been linked to more than two dozen arrests and at least five deaths this year, including the alleged plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer.
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

I'm showing you right wing white supremacist rioters killing police officers, burning buildings, and firing into police stations, and you're hyperventilating over your claim that Antifa people were "forcefully nudging" other people. C'mon.

All Becomes New · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Name the cities and show us that they were Antifa, and not right wing rioters. Right wing rioters were doing more than just killing police; they were burning buildings and firing into police buildings. Want to see that?

Portland.

Denial isn't going to be much use to you, now...

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
A California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff's deputy has ties to the far-right "Boogaloo" movement, according to federal authorities.
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest
Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

He was trying to disrupt the protest and incite a riot. He even pretended to be a BLM supporter:

Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds from a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the 3rd precinct police station while people believed to be looters were inside. He then high-fived another person and shouted, “Justice for Floyd!” according to the complaint.
...
Hunter is the third alleged “Boogaloo Boi” to be charged in connection with protests in Minneapolis. Across the country, the “Boogaloo” movement has been linked to more than two dozen arrests and at least five deaths this year, including the alleged plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer.
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

I'm showing you right wing white supremacist rioters killing police officers, burning buildings, and firing into police stations, and you're hyperventilating over your claim that Antifa people were "forcefully nudging" other people. C'mon.

The exception doesn't make the rule. We have been over this.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Name the cities and show us that they were Antifa, and not right wing rioters. Right wing rioters were doing more than just killing police; they were burning buildings and firing into police buildings. Want to see that?

Jesse Dornfeld said:
Portland.

Nope. Minneapolis. And he wasn't the only one they caught:

Minneapolis police identify 'Umbrella Man' who helped incite George Floyd riots, warrant says
Minneapolis police have identified a suspect whom they believe helped initiate the riots and destruction in the city following the killing of George Floyd.According to a search warrant filed earlier this week, the man is associated with the "Aryan Cowboys," which the Anti-Defamation League lists as a White supremacist prison and street gang.
Minneapolis police identify 'Umbrella Man' who helped incite George Floyd riots, warrant says | CNN

Or is "Portland" kinda like yelling "Laptop!" in hopes that it might make a difference?

Yeah, there were riots in Portland, and many of the rioters were actually left wing unlike most of the rest of the country. Seattle is another exception to the rule that right wing thugs were mostly invoved:

I have a son who lives on Capitol Hill in Seattle, and walking distance from the "liberated" area taken over by lefty demonstrators. Here's some pictures of the stuff they were doing, which a right wing site says is "devastating":
Seattle Riot: 46 devastating photos of Downtown destruction, vandalism

Spraying graffitti, occasionally breaking windows. They may also have been "forcefully nudging" people for all I know. This was the "devastating" damage from Antifa and their allies. Compare to the right wing burning buildings, firing into police buildings, and ambusihing and killing police officers.

BTW, there were actually some fires set and some looting, although it's not clear whether it was Antifa or the right wing guys among them or even just apolitical morons who did it.

See the difference now?

It was like that nationwide:

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.

Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

During the passage of the big guys so called ‘Inflation Reduction Act’ in the Senate, all 50 Democrats voted against an amendment that would define pregnancy as a uniquely biologically female process. Just one example of liberal lunacy in America today.

Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

This is our back up for the big guy. What is the state of America today. Let’s pray.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Postvieww said:
During the passage of the big guys so called ‘Inflation Reduction Act’ in the Senate, all 50 Democrats voted against an amendment that would define pregnancy as a uniquely biologically female process.

You should probably know that except in extremely rare cases of parthenogenesis, the "biologically male process" is essential to a human pregnancy.

Why republicans wanted to put this into a bill to reduce inflation is not entirely clear (unless they were thinking of a biologically male process), but it's just another example of the right wing lunacy in America today.

And I do wonder if Mitch knows that the "biologically male process" is required for pregnancy. He doesn't seem that dense, but others, like Ron Johnson, plausibly might not know. I'm not saying anything about anyone else's intelligence here; I imagine some people just never stopped to think about it.

Maybe we should have Chuck Schumer sit down and have a "birds and the bees" talk with republican senators, no?

Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

Kamala Harris Goes Full Groomer, Wants LGBT Teachers to ‘Love Openly’ in Their Classrooms

Postvieww · Aug 20, 2022

The Barbarian said:
Why republicans wanted to put this into a bill to reduce inflation is not entirely clear,

Maybe for the same reason Dems wanted 87,000 irs agents in a inflation reduction bill.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2022

Why republicans wanted to put this into a bill to reduce inflation is not entirely clear,

Postvieww said:
Maybe for the same reason Dems wanted 87,000 irs agents in a inflation reduction bill.

And it's not 87,000 agents. The republicans were just trolling for sheeple.
PolitiFact - Kevin McCarthy’s mostly false claim about an army of 87,000 IRS agents

McCarthy's owners are frantic with fear that more accounting professionals in the IRS will allow them to more accuarately audit complex returns. And that will cost them a bundle. Middle-class taxpayers likely won't see a difference, although there was a rise in middle-class audits after Trump cut IRS funding. It was easier to audit our returns with fewer people than it was to audit corporations and wealthy people.

So maybe we'll see fewer audits again, once the IRS is back to normal force. And yeah, I know McCarthy wants you to think of IRS swat teams with assault rifles. That's not who they are hiring. It's something much more scary for the guys who own McCarthy; accountants and tax experts.

And just ask someone to explain my post to you; it's not that difficult, really.

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