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[Postvieww]

Why and how would I do that?

Maybe for equal justice under the law. Maybe petition the law maker if your choice.

 

[Postvieww]

Continued. I am sure that Biden cheated his way into the White House. His agenda is antigod and destructive for everyone. On the other hand, if it really did happen that 80 million Americans would vote for this godless liar to be their leader, then our country deserves to become a third world mickey mouse type of country, bullied by others.

I agree but would like to add that liberalism as manifest in our government today is evil and power hungry. Not all are Democrats.

 

[The Barbarian]

Maybe for equal justice under the law.

That seems to be what the MAGA people are objecting to. Many of them are outraged that an ex-president is not above the law.

Maybe petition the law maker if your choice.

In a banana republic, that might work. But here, you have to go through the legal system.

 

[The Barbarian]

I am sure that Biden cheated his way into the White House.

That comes down to evidence. And Trump's own people told him that it was a lie. The judges he appointed told him that he had no evidence for it. Even Trump's lawyer admitted that he had no evidence for it.

Under oath, Arizona Republican House Speaker Russell "Rusty" Bowers testified on Tuesday that former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted to not having any evidence of election fraud despite repeatedly claiming he did.

Bowers, who had been a Trump supporter, spoke before the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol in the afternoon, recounting his interactions with Giuliani and the Trump legal team as "a tragic parody," comparing them to the 1971 comedy "The Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight."

"My recollection, he said, 'We've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence,'" Bowers said.
Rudy Giuliani admitted 'we just don't have the evidence' of voter fraud, according to testimony

In a free nation, that lack of evidence is a huge problem for a would be autocrat.

 

[wendykvw]

Please read this piece by Alan Bergstein and comment...

Kristallnacht, USA: August 8, 2022

Please pray for America. Much is going on politically. Much evil and corruption has taken over.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward E. Murrow

 

[Postvieww]

That seems to be what the MAGA people are objecting to. Many of them are outraged that an ex-president is not above the law.

I have a feeling when the dust settles on this raid thing a lot of excited liberals may have their bubble popped.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have a feeling when the dust settles on this raid thing a lot of excited liberals may have their bubble popped.

Obviously, it exceeded expectations; the FBI found a trove of classified documents, some of it rated higher than Top Secret.

And the polls have shown that Americans approve the search for stolen documents:
A new YouGov poll finds Americans overwhelmingly approve of the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago beach club to retrieve classified documents that he took from the White House, 54% to 36%.
Polling shows public support for FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago

The interesting thing is, that it made the relatively few who still support Trump, like him better. Trump gained significantly against DeSantis in another poll, suggesting that republicans have a huge problem for 2024.
Mar-a-Lago raid gave Trump a 10-point boost over DeSantis with Republican primary voters, poll shows

 

[The Barbarian]

There is a double standard in the media and from the left.

Yes. Can you imagine what would have happened in the media if Hillary Clinton had stolen classified material from the WH and then lied to investigators about it? There would have been a firestorm of outrage from the media.

As far as the left, when Sandy Berger did this, the left abandoned him to his fate. Double standard? You betcha.

 

[The Barbarian]

Continued. I am sure that Biden cheated his way into the White House.

Unfortunately for the far right, it's evidence, not willingness to believe that matters.

His agenda is antigod and destructive for everyone. On the other hand, if it really did happen that 80 million Americans would vote for this godless liar to be their leader, then our country deserves to become a third world mickey mouse type of country, bullied by others.

Don't let the door hit you. Maybe integrity and democracy are better things than you think.

 

[Yarddog]

I detect no lie. The Democrats did say the riots were mostly peaceful, which was actually one of the biggest lies I've ever seen from a political party. They cost the country billions of dollars of damage and it's not even that many people in Antifa. They are a rotten bunch.

Democrats did not say that the riots were mostly peaceful. Riots are violent. They were talking about the demonstrations, which usually were peaceful. Many times police and clergy marched with the BLM demonstrators.

 

[Postvieww]

Don't let the door hit you. Maybe integrity and democracy are better things than you think.

Are you implying the current resident in the White House is all about "integrity and democracy"???

 

[Postvieww]

Yes. Can you imagine what would have happened in the media if Hillary Clinton had stolen classified material from the WH and then lied to investigators about it? There would have been a firestorm of outrage from the media.

Are you kidding? She did lie to investigators, she did have government documents on an illegal servers on personal property. Her team did destroy subpoenaed material. It sure wasn't the media that was outraged.

 

[The Barbarian]

Are you kidding? She did lie to investigators, she did have government documents on an illegal servers on personal property.

Unfortunately, the evidence doesn't support your beliefs.

Her team did destroy subpoenaed material.

Show us the evidence and who it was.

It sure wasn't the media that was outraged.

Comes down to evidence. Sorry.

BTW...
But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...am-have-used-unofficial-communications-tools/

But no shrieks of outrage from the media. If Clinton had done this, there would be mobs screaming "lock her up." Oh wait, she did do it, and they did.

Selective outrage. That's how the Trump world works.

 

[The Barbarian]

Are you implying the current resident in the White House is all about "integrity and democracy"???

Just noting a huge improvement. In human affairs, that's pretty much all you can hope for. At least Biden can speak several sentences without lying, and he hasn't so far claimed that as president he can do whatever he wants. And he hasn't stolen classified material.

Low bar, yes, but that's where republicans set it.

 

[Postvieww]

Just noting a huge improvement. In human affairs, that's pretty much all you can hope for. At least Biden can speak several sentences without lying, and he hasn't so far claimed that as president he can do whatever he wants. And he hasn't stolen classified material.

Low bar, yes, but that's where republicans set it.

No Republicans didn't set that bar those that helped him steal the election, the few that actually voted for him, the ones who cover for his incompetence daily, and those that thought Trump was satan incarnate put that bar in the gutter .

 

[Postvieww]

Unfortunately, the evidence doesn't support your beliefs.



Show us the evidence and who it was.



Comes down to evidence. Sorry.

BTW...
But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...am-have-used-unofficial-communications-tools/

But no shrieks of outrage from the media. If Clinton had done this, there would be mobs screaming "lock her up." Oh wait, she did do it, and they did.

Selective outrage. That's how the Trump world works.

All of this has been in the public domain not my fault you haven't seen it.

 

[The Barbarian]

All of this has been in the public domain

But you can't access it and show it to us? That's kind of surprising. Or maybe it isn't.

 

[The Barbarian]

No Republicans didn't set that bar those that helped him steal the election,

His own AG and his own daughter told Trump that there was no such theft of an election. C'mon. It's over. All those stories were debunked by courts, many of them presided over by Trump-appointed judges. Let's move on to the real world.

 

[Postvieww]

But you can't access it and show it to us? That's kind of surprising. Or maybe it isn't.

So you are telling me all of the Hillary stuff is just news news to you?

 

[The Barbarian]

So you are telling me all of the Hillary stuff is just news news to you?

Absent evidence, all your claims are just stories. Evidence would help you a lot. But you don't seem to be able to find any.