Ebed,
You didn't answer my question about the video. I watched the 2 hour video. The interpretation of the 70 weeks was compelling but had a flaw that I noticed. It disregarded two events in Dan. 9:26 and brushed right over them as if they were being avoided!
1. "...the Messiah is cut off ..." Well, in the GT, the Messiah does not get cut off!
2. "destroy the city and the sanctuary"
The prince who came after Jesus did destroy the city and temple in 70AD!
Where do those events fit into your scenario???
Examining the alternate interpretation, in which "weeks of years" adds up to 483 years, brings us to Christ's "First Coming" and the finale week contains his ministry: In the middle of the week, he was "cut off"; He put an end to sin with His atonement; He made sacrifice in the temple obsolete; He made an New Covenant and proclamation that years later the city and temple would be destroyed! I do believe this interpretation is stronger!
Nevertheless, that one generation is 70 years and this can be applied to Israel becoming a nation in 1948 is a valid observation in prophecy. That leaves us with the same timeline give or take a year.
The bottom line is: This video claims that the Great Tribulation will start on March 22, 2013, so if this date comes and goes and nothing happens, then we will know this ministry is somewhat off --but not entirely, especially if they only miss it by a year or so. We'll see.
Shalom Dewey
In the timeline, how do you understand, Messiah cut off in relation to the weeks of Years.
thanks
Ebed
From Danielstimeline
Most do not understand that prophecy comes multi-layered. For instance, everyone understands how the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan 9:24-27) meant the First Coming of our Messiah ( 70 X 7 = 490 yrs.) But..... our Father Himself tells us there is more to Scripture and Prophecy than just the surface meanings……..
Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Since He explained how the “ancient things” reveal the “future,” and from the beginning (Creation Week) He declared/revealed the end (Latter Years), it is just like our Father to use the same Daniel Scriptures (Dan 9:24-27) to reveal, not only our Messiah’s First Coming, but to reveal BOTH…the First and the Second Coming, and He does just that... He is the master at this and He will not be limited.
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Consider the Manna: While feeding Israel, the Father gave them the 1 through 7 week; He gave them the Sabbath, He gave them a task for them to obey seeing if they would walk in His law or not, He gave them the calendar, and the location of the Feast days that would be given soon. He also gave them a Prophetic Shadow Picture… As Israel took the manna (bread from Heaven) into their bodies He illustrated the True Bread From Heaven who was to come exemplifying the spiritual picture of how we are to take the Messiah into us, and on and on......... He did a multi-layered work by using only one thing. The wisdom of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob cannot be measured
Yes, what one prophecy or timing means to one generation, the same prophecy can reveal a deeper understanding to a future generation as Yah reveals more of Himself; even another level of fulfillment that did not pertain to a past generation. People get stuck in the single mind-set thinking: "OK that prophecy has been fulfilled now on to the next one,” and all the while become blind to what is happening in our own lifetime.
An excellent example of this degreed fulfillment is found in the 30, 60, and 100-fold pattern in growth and prophecy that Yeshua Himself taught.
Some brought forth fruit, some 30-fold and some 60-fold and some 100-fold. This is the same as to say: Fruit (30-fold); More Fruit (60-fold); and Much Fruit (100-fold). Another is being baptized with Water (30), with the Holy Ghost (60), and with Fire (100-fold). Also we see the same pattern in the good (30), acceptable (60), and perfect (100-fold) will of the Father being done. Or how about first the blade (30-fold), then the corn in the ear (60-fold), and finally the full ear of corn (100-fold)...
A major example of 30, 60, and 100-fold is also the Tabernacle itself: the outer court (30), the inner court (60) and the Holy of Holies (100-fold). The pieces of furniture not only represent an order of worship, but also each piece represents one of the Feasts of the LORD, each piece represents one day in the creation week, each piece represents a separate millennia, as well as our spiritual walk toward Him, and much more.
There are many such examples of degrees of fulfillment in prophecy as when Yah revealed the end while giving us the beginning…. thus we also recognize the multi-layered fulfillment of Daniel. Our Father will not allow what was to stop what is yet prophesied to come.
To give further witness to Daniel’s prophecy as a multi-layered prophecy, Daniel 9:24 speaks about the end of several things.
Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Have all the transgressions been finished, has an end been made to all sin or is it still going on, has everlasting righteousness been ushered in yet, has the Most Holy been anointed yet, etc., etc? In a measure they have by Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection, but obviously not to the fullness that He intends to do in our generation. So we can clearly see there is much more to this prophecy than just the surface reading.
Another witness: One might say the swine sacrificed on the Altar by Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled Daniel’s abomination prophecy. Another can say no, it was the Dome of the Rock that was set up 1300+years ago that fulfilled the Daniel’s abomination prophecy. The fact remains that another abomination will be set up on the Temple mount other than what has happened in the past. It is that abomination that starts the remaining 1260-day woman in the wilderness and the 1260-day two witness prophecies. There will be another abomination all right and it will be set up just days after the Altar is shut down in 2013. Yah will not allow what was, to stop what is prophesied to come. Whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Now, what about the Messiah being cut off? He cannot be crucified a second time so how can this be multi-layered prophecy where the Messiah is cut off in the midst of the week once again?
The word used for “cut off” is “Karath” and comes with multi-layered meanings too.
Cut off:
trk Karath (kaw-rath'); Verb, Strong #: 3772
to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
We know, as Yeshua taught, when accept Him into our lives (partake of His blood and His body) we become part of "the body of Christ." And it was Yeshua Himself who said that what you have done to the least of these (we who are His) is the same as doing it unto Him. Should someone should harm you or kill you for His sake, Yeshua takes this personally as doing it unto Him. And there is also an agreement/covenant that will be cut in the midst of the final seven years as well.
For all practical purposes, this world and this country we live in has already begun trying to cut Him off. This evil world will certainly try to cut Yeshua off from even mentioning His name. Those who refuse to deny Him and continue to profess Him will be labeled as religious fanatics and eventually considered a threat to national security. The evil powers of this world are out to cut Him off all right; they try to cut Him off more and more every day; out of schools, court rooms, public prayer, and every other place they can think of to eliminate Him off the face of the earth. One day in the near future we may not even be able to mention His name without being arrested, or even killed just like it was almost 2000 years ago when the believers were persecuted.
All of these things given to Daniel were to be sealed up UNTIL the latter days and those days are upon us.
Da 12:9-10 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Even Yeshua spoke in ways that the wise would understand but the wicked would not.
Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:34-35 All these things spake Yeshua unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Again, we MUST understand this .......... whatever measure of prophecy that has been fulfilled in the past will not prevent the plurality of the same prophecy that is yet to come.
Blessings……….Dewey