The standard has been set...

[k4c]

How do you feel about Christians who say they have the love of God yet they have sexual relationships with people outside of marriage and say they love them too? Has not God set the standard for godly love?

What about those who fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people because they say they love God? Has God not set the standard for godly love?

What about pastors and churches that approve of same sex marriages and perform their weddings? Has God not set the standard for godly love?

What about all the fighting and arguing about which day to worship on? Has God not set the standard for which day to call holy for the gathering of his people?

Should we obey God over man and be blessed?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

How do you feel about Christians who say they have the love of God yet they have sexual relationships with people outside of marriage and say they love them too?

I feel that I am not their judge. What's important to me is my own integrity regarding sexuality. My study has led me to the conclusion that sexuality is meant to be explored within marriage between a man and a woman.

What about those who fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people because they say they love God?

I haven't heard about Christians doing this. Can you tell us more?

What about pastors and churches that approve of same sex marriages and perform their weddings?

Again, I am not their judge. If you're asking what I personally believe, I believe that sexuality is meant to be explored within marriage between a man and a woman.

What about all the fighting and arguing about which day to worship on?

Since God welcomes worship from His children during every day of the week, this seems like a silly argument to me. Why would we argue about such things?

Has God not set the standard for which day to call holy for the gathering of his people?

No, I don't believe He has limited us to gather for worship during only one day each week. In fact, the behavior of sabbatarians seems to confirm that He has not. Sabbatarians gather for worship on many different days. Examples include prayer meetings on Wednesday evening, Revelation Seminars on Sunday evening, worship assemblies in SDA academies on Friday mornings and Camp Meetings on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, etc.

Should we obey God over man and be blessed?

We should individually obey that which God has called us to do.
We should not insist that other people must obey that which God has not called us to do.

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

Excellent responses BFA. get ready to defend another round of the Qgame, it's comming.
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The bible speaks for itself, God's standards is the Saviour Jesus Christ. In knowledge and righteosuness through faith in Him we find true rest.

Isa 11:10And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.


Isa 49:22¶Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.




Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

 

[k4c]

I feel that I am not their judge. What's important to me is my own integrity regarding sexuality. My study has led me to the conclusion that sexuality is meant to be explored within marriage between a man and a woman.

I haven't heard about Christians doing this. Can you tell us more?

Again, I am not their judge. If you're asking what I personally believe, I believe that sexuality is meant to be explored within marriage between a man and a woman.

Since God welcomes worship from His children during every day of the week, this seems like a silly argument to me. Why would we argue about such things?

No, I don't believe He has limited us to gather for worship during only one day each week. In fact, the behavior of sabbatarians seems to confirm that He has not. Sabbatarians gather for worship on many different days. Examples include prayer meetings on Wednesday evening, Revelation Seminars on Sunday evening, worship assemblies in SDA academies on Friday mornings and Camp Meetings on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, etc.

We should individually obey that which God has called us to do.
We should not insist that other people must obey that which God has not called us to do.

BFA

Amazing....

 

[k4c]

Excellent responses BFA. get ready to defend another round of the Qgame, it's comming.
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The bible speaks for itself, God's standards is the Saviour Jesus Christ. In knowledge and righteosuness through faith in Him we find true rest.

Isa 11:10And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.


Isa 49:22¶Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.



Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

I expected no less...

 

[Cribstyl]

I expected no less...

Actually, it's not that you're always trying to say that you and the SDA are righteous because your standards are the ten commandments.
It about your loaded question to label other churches as filled with lawless and unrighteous people because sabbath and the ten commandments are not their standard of beliefs. "FAITH IN JESUS IS"


BF1's replies shows exactly how most non adventist Christians believe.
His response was trully "amazing" to avoid shooting back.

I'm proud that you expect no less of me than standing up for what I also believe.

By you just saying "Amazing" to BF1 means that you will not respond any further to his reply. (you cant argue against the truth)

By just saying " I expect no less" to me, you've ignor from giving a response to my comments and the scriptures that I posted.

I guess it's your turn to take more shots at people who dont worship God as you do.

 

[Pythons]

In the parable of the prodigal Son....
..The elder brother was always in worst shape then the young one who chased hookers.

 

[Princessdi]

What is so amazing, k4c? BFA is right, he is not their judge, and neither are you, It is not for us to feel or do anything about the sins of others but to be a living witness(not comdemner, accuser, or judge, just witness) for God before them and pray for them. Answer questions ONLY when lead of the Holy Spirit to do so, and not when in a mind of "righteous indignation". Sure, Jesus did it, He can do that.....He's Jesus, Creator, Redeemer. We are not. Besides, sin is sin. The are against god, not us. The sins you listed carry no more weight with God than that on relilgious pride and pious elitism. Remember, remove the plank, before seeking to remove the log.

It is not for us to run around being angry about sin everyday. If we believe in the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and serve Him as the Risen Savior, then we already know what God "has" done about sin. He ain't mad, and we ought not to be either. He has already won. Just do what He told us to do.

Python............ ..........and I am SDA!

Amazing....

 

[k4c]

What is so amazing, k4c? BFA is right, he is not their judge, and neither are you, It is not for us to feel or do anything about the sins of others but to be a living witness(not comdemner, accuser, or judge, just witness) for God before them and pray for them. Answer questions ONLY when lead of the Holy Spirit to do so, and not when in a mind of "righteous indignation". Sure, Jesus did it, He can do that.....He's Jesus, Creator, Redeemer. We are not. Besides, sin is sin. The are against god, not us. The sins you listed carry no more weight with God than that on relilgious pride and pious elitism. Remember, remove the plank, before seeking to remove the log.

It is not for us to run around being angry about sin everyday. If we believe in the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and serve Him as the Risen Savior, then we already know what God "has" done about sin. He ain't mad, and we ought not to be either. He has already won. Just do what He told us to do.

Python............ ..........and I am SDA!

You're right...

 

[k4c]

Actually, it's not that you're always trying to say that you and the SDA are righteous because your standards are the ten commandments.
It about your loaded question to label other churches as filled with lawless and unrighteous people because sabbath and the ten commandments are not their standard of beliefs. "FAITH IN JESUS IS"

BF1's replies shows exactly how most non adventist Christians believe.
His response was trully "amazing" to avoid shooting back.

I'm proud that you expect no less of me than standing up for what I also believe.

By you just saying "Amazing" to BF1 means that you will not respond any further to his reply. (you cant argue against the truth)

By just saying " I expect no less" to me, you've ignor from giving a response to my comments and the scriptures that I posted.

I guess it's your turn to take more shots at people who dont worship God as you do.

You're right...

 

[Cribstyl]

You're right...

Praises be to God!!!! We're all in this together. Thank you Jesus.

 

[Torah]

I will answer these two.

How do you feel about Christians who say they have the love of God yet they have sexual relationships with people outside of marriage and say they love them too? Has not God set the standard for godly love?

What about pastors and churches that approve of same sex marriages and perform their weddings? Has God not set the standard for godly love?

We are to Judge what goes on in the Church. There is a lack of Holiness!


1 Corinthians 5

1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. [Leviticus 18:8]
2 And you are proud! Why would they have been proud? Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Again what would they have boasted about? Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?....
….9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoralor greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

 

[k4c]

Praises be to God!!!! We're all in this together. Thank you Jesus.

Yes...we're all together now. I feel so much better. I feel free... and to think all these years I've been resisting temptation and sin. You really set me free, thank you! Can you refresh my memory as to what I can do and what I can't do in this new found faith?

 

[Cribstyl]

Yes...we're all together now. I feel so much better. I feel free... and to think all these years I've been resisting temptation and sin. You really set me free, thank you! Can you refresh my memory as to what I can do and what I can't do in this new found faith?

You can keep the sabbath and the ten commandments.

The penalty of sin is death.

Whoever said keeping the sabbath was a bad thing? enjoy.

Rom 14:5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[k4c]

You can keep the sabbath and the ten commandments.

The penalty of sin is death.

Whoever said keeping the sabbath was a bad thing? enjoy.

Rom 14:5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

What if I don't want to keep the Sabbath or any of the ten commandments?

 

[k4c]

What if I don't want to keep the Sabbath or any of the ten commandments?

You can keep the sabbath and the ten commandments.

The penalty of sin is death.

Whoever said keeping the sabbath was a bad thing? enjoy.

Rom 14:5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Well, where's my teacher? You have attention now with this new found faith. I am so much happier and free now but I need to know this. I know I don't have to obey the fourth commandment but do I have to obey the other nine? James seems to be telling me that if I break one, I might as well break them all. This is very liberating to me, praise God for His grace.

 

[Cribstyl]

What if I don't want to keep the Sabbath or any of the ten commandments?

Dont get it all twisted. God does call us to holiness through righteousness. What God requires of this endtime generations is righteousness by faith.
The doctrine of faith is not simple belief by saying "I believe, then not trying to learn more about what Jesus commands." Like James said, it has works, (not of the law)
Here is a good explanation with supporting scriptures.
Verses showing justification by faith. | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

 

[k4c]

Dont get it all twisted. God does call us to holiness through righteousness. What God requires of this endtime generations is righteousness by faith.
The doctrine of faith is not simple belief by saying "I believe, then not trying to learn more about what Jesus commands." Like James said, it has works, (not of the law)
Here is a good explanation with supporting scriptures.
Verses showing justification by faith. | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

??? So I don't have to obey the Ten Commandment or I do have to obey them?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

 

[Cribstyl]

??? So I don't have to obey the Ten Commandment or I do have to obey them?

My answer is; it does not matters if you observe the law or not. What seperate men from God is not "the law", it is sin.
Contrary to what some people falsely teach, we have no license to sin. Those who practice any form of sin or unrighteousness is not of God.

Galatians chapter 3,4,5,6 teaches that some people under the the law was teaching doctrines saying ; You must be circumcized and keep the law. By reading these text all the way through, you can get the summary of the entire lesson.
Here are some key exerts from the tail end of these lesson.



Gal 5:1 So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.
Gal 5:2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you.
Gal 5:3 I'll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses.
Gal 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.
Gal 5:5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith.
Gal 5:6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.
Gal 5:7 You were getting along so well. Who has interfered with you to hold you back from following the truth?
Gal 5:8 It certainly isn't God, for he is the one who called you to freedom.
Gal 5:9 But it takes only one wrong person among you to infect all the others—a little yeast spreads quickly through the whole batch of dough!
Gal 5:10 I am trusting the Lord to bring you back to believing as I do about these things. God will judge that person, whoever it is, who has been troubling and confusing you.
Gal 5:11 Dear brothers and sisters,[fn1] if I were still preaching that you must be circumcised—as some say I do—why would the Jews persecute me? The fact that I am still being persecuted proves that I am still preaching salvation through the cross of Christ alone.



Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Gal 6:16¶And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.