The Sinless Christian??

[Jon_]

Are we really made righteous by our faith in God? Are we really saved by faith?

Or - as I understand it: I was made righteous by God through faith. I was saved by Christ through faith.

Wordplays?

Exactly.

By grace unto faith not by merit of faith. Righteous by the grace of God, not human merit of belief, this even being of God.

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

 

[orthedoxy]

When jesus said go and sin no more What was the meaning of sin that he is talking about?
Is an infant perfect? If not what sins have they commited?
I believe we are perfect when we repent because Jesus cleans us from all unrightouesness.

 

[tigersnare]

When jesus said go and sin no more What was the meaning of sin that he is talking about?
Is an infant perfect? If not what sins have they commited?
I believe we are perfect when we repent because Jesus cleans us from all unrightouesness.

Start a new topic of you want to discuss original sin.

 

[orthedoxy]

I am debating with a guy at my school, I can't believe what his responses are. Apprently this is where he is looking for his Theology, tell me what you guys think.

http://www.wonderfulgod.com/txt004.htm

I think infants are sinless.
Also every time we repent we become sinless since God forgive our sins.
The question is how is sin defined in the bible or what is sin?

 

[5solas]

I think infants are sinless.
Also every time we repent we become sinless since God forgive our sins.
The question is how is sin defined in the bible or what is sin?

No one is sinless, except God/Jesus Christ/The Holy Spirit.

Google "Total Depravity" and you will understand what I mean.

Or have a look here A.W.Pink Total Depravity

 

[orthedoxy]

No one is sinless, except God/Jesus Christ/The Holy Spirit.

Google "Total Depravity" and you will understand what I mean.

Or have a look here A.W.Pink Total Depravity

When one repents from his sins is he still sinfull or sinless?

 

[5solas]

When one repents from his sins is he still sinfull or sinless?

All the sins are forgiven but we remain sinners (justified sinners) as long as we live on this earth and in these bodies. To be sinless implies that one cannot sin anylonger - and that's just not true:

1Jo 1,5​

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And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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1Jo 1,6​

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If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
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1Jo 1,7​

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but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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1Jo 1,8​

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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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1Jo 1,9​

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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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1Jo 1,10​

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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

That's Gods grace: we can go to Jesus with all our sins and he will forgive us all our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
There is only one place when there will be no more sin and where we will not sin any longer (Revelation 21)



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[orthedoxy]

All the sins are forgiven but we remain sinners (justified sinners) as long as we live on this earth and in these bodies. To be sinless implies that one cannot sin anylonger - and that's just not true:

1Jo 1,5​

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And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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1Jo 1,6​

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If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
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1Jo 1,7​

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but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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1Jo 1,8​

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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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1Jo 1,9​

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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
​

1Jo 1,10​

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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

That's Gods grace: we can go to Jesus with all our sins and he will forgive us all our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
There is only one place when there will be no more sin and where we will not sin any longer (Revelation 21)



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How can we still be sinners but forgiven?That's like saying i forgave you from the $20 you owe me but you still owe me $20.
When you confess your sins don't you become rightoues according to 1john 1:9?
To be sinless seems to mean that one doesn't have sins not that he can't sin.

 

[5solas]

How can we still be sinners but forgiven?That's like saying i forgave you from the $20 you owe me but you still owe me $20.
When you confess your sins don't you become rightoues according to 1john 1:9?
To be sinless seems to mean that one doesn't have sins not that he can't sin.

We need to be forgiven all the time.....
Tell me, how long does your state of sinlessnes usually last?

 

[CHARLES H]

We need to be forgiven all the time.....
Tell me, how long does your state of sinlessnes usually last?

good point

 

[Elderone]

The question is how is sin defined in the bible or what is sin?

The Shorter Catechism question 14 answers that:

Question: What is Sin?

Answer: Sin is Any Want of Conformity Unto, or Transgression of, the Law of God.a

a. 1 John 3:4.

The Law of God being the 10 Commandments. In order to understand just a small part of obeying the Commandments, look at the Larger Catechism questions and answers 99 through 148. If you don't have a Catechism handy one may be found on the internet.

 

[orthedoxy]

We need to be forgiven all the time.....
Tell me, how long does your state of sinlessnes usually last?

That depends on how often you repent.
You can ask God constantly for forgiveness. Would he get tired of you or would he still forgive you?

 

[orthedoxy]

The Shorter Catechism question 14 answers that:




The Law of God being the 10 Commandments. In order to understand just a small part of obeying the Commandments, look at the Larger Catechism questions and answers 99 through 148. If you don't have a Catechism handy one may be found on the internet.

Can you give answer without relying on tradition?
What Catechism are you talking about?

 

[5solas]

That depends on how often you repent.
You can ask God constantly for forgiveness. Would he get tired of you or would he still forgive you?

God will always forgive someone who asks him - he even works through His Holy Spirit that I will come and repent (Philippians 2,13). And: God never gets tired

 

[5solas]

Can you give answer without relying on tradition?
What Catechism are you talking about?

Elderone was citing the Westminster catechism:

Westminster Larger Catechism: http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=larger1.html

Westminster Shorter Catechism: http://www.bpc.org/wsc/

And for reformed Baptists like me there is the London Baptist Confession 1689: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm

 

[Elderone]

What Catechism are you talking about?

Sorry. Using only the Westminster Confession and Catechisms I forget about the others.

Thank you 5solas.

 

[orthedoxy]

God will always forgive someone who asks him - he even works through His Holy Spirit that I will come and repent (Philippians 2,13). And: God never gets tired

If he forgives our sins wouldn't that mean we are sinless every time we repent?

 

[Elderone]

If he forgives our sins wouldn't that mean we are sinless every time we repent?

Possibly for the short time it takes to ask for forgiveness.

Do you seriously believe it is possible not to sin in word, thought or deed almost constantly?

 

[Elderone]

Possibly for the short time it takes to ask for forgiveness.

I must qualify that statement..

We are never sinless in regards to original sin. The sin I was speaking of are the others we continually commit as defined in question 14 of the Westminster Shorter Catechism.

We are never truly sinless untill we die and are Glorified.

 

[orthedoxy]

Possibly for the short time it takes to ask for forgiveness.

Do you seriously believe it is possible not to sin in word, thought or deed almost constantly?

I don't think that is true. what about an old man in the hospital that is a believer why does he nessicarly have to sin. Why can't there be one that doesn't commit sin for days? Why can't you repent constantly?
Give me an example of a sin that you commit instantly after you repent.
Adam was perfect before the fall, Noah was righteous, Job was righteous, Abraham was considered righteous when he offered his son Isaac.