"The Silver Ring Thing" abstinence program produces....pregnancies.

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1. If I say I'm offended by lack of morals.. than I offend easily.
If any other minority does they they should be accomidated. That's simply silly.
How come I'm easily offended, but I can't tell some pregnant 8th grader that she should have abstained until she was ready for whatever might come of it. I might hurt her feelings or offend her if I say that. ... but if I said it first, maybe she wouldn't be facing extreamly hard circumstances for raising a child, or worse the trauma of an abortion that could have been prevented. No, I can't say that though.. "she's having a hard enough time.. just accept it.. no use in hurting her feelings telling her what's right". Those are the things I hear. BS.. I won't. I'll be the honest one to hurt her feelings for her own good.

2. virginity until marrage is not a sentence... it's freedom. What a breath of fresh air it would be to discuss sex with your husband knowning he's your first. Unlike one of my sister's friend who has slept w/ half the HS and told her 3rd husband that she had only been married once before and been w/ only 2 men so that he would not be intimited by her history of the many "mature monogamus and responsible" relationships she's been in.

So yes, maybe I am easily offended... but I'd rather be easily offended than worry about STD's, pregnancy before I'm ready, lists of men to lie or avoid talking about and many other things that come w/ pre-marital sex.

God Bless,
Carina

A pregnant 8th grader or sleeping with half the High School are not things ANYONE would encourage. It's not a matter of 'virgin or harlot' and I think most people here have spoke of mature monogamous relationships , something quite different than children having sex or being extremely promiscuous. I'm sure you see the difference.

 

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A pregnant 8th grader or sleeping with half the High School are not things ANYONE would encourage. It's not a matter of 'virgin or harlot' and I think most people here have spoke of mature monogamous relationships , something quite different than children having sex or being extremely promiscuous. I'm sure you see the difference.

Well he was talking about his daughter, to keep things in context.
And as for the 8th grader who only slept w/ her bf and no others.. she thought she was being mature.

As for the girl who slept w/ all those people... they were one at a time.. each one of them was a boyfriend at some point or another.. at the TIME that they were having sex, she felt it was mature (and that she was) monogamous sex.

Who's preception of mature monogamous are we using? I was using the opinion of the persons having sex.. not my own.

God Bless,
Carina

 

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Well he was talking about his daughter, to keep things in context.
And as for the 8th grader who only slept w/ her bf and no others.. she thought she was being mature.

As for the girl who slept w/ all those people... they were one at a time.. each one of them was a boyfriend at some point or another.. at the TIME that they were having sex, she felt it was mature (and that she was) monogamous sex.

Who's preception of mature monogamous are we using? I was using the opinion of the persons having sex.. not my own.

God Bless,
Carina

IMO mature = legal adult, not a minor. Monogamous would be someone in a committed relationship, not just having serial sex with one person after another.

I do not condone minors having sex even tho I believe they need to know ALL the facts and not just be told 'don't do it'. I realize that the silver ring thing is basically a tool to keep children from having sex but the thing I disagree with is the 'wait till marriage' part since marriage may not be in the cards and what legal adults do is nobody's business. And it can backfire and encourage people to marry before they are ready just to have sex. I'd prefer a 'wait until you are an adult' take on the whole thing.

 

[panterapat]

Sex isn't good-
Chocolate cake is good.

Sex isn't great-
Frosted Flakes are great.

Sex is sacred and holy. It is a participation in the creative powers of God. To engage in sex before marriage is like using the altar chalice for a beer party. Would you play a muddy game of tug-of-war in your wedding dress? No, you save the dress for your wedding.

Abstainence teaches morality, self-control, and self-respect. It is the society full of immoral messages that makes the abstainence programs difficult. Amorality and moral relativism has spread like wildfire in our schools.

But it is more than abstainence that needs taught. It is actually chasity that is the virtue needed so badly by today's youth.

 

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Sex isn't good-
Chocolate cake is good.

Sex isn't great-
Frosted Flakes are great.

Sex is sacred and holy. It is a participation in the creative powers of God. To engage in sex before marriage is like using the altar chalice for a beer party. Would you play a muddy game of tug-of-war in your wedding dress? No, you save the dress for your wedding.

Abstinence teaches morality, self-control, and self-respect. It is the society full of immoral messages that makes the abstinence programs difficult. Amorality and moral relativism has spread like wildfire in our schools.

But it is more than abstinence that needs taught. It is actually chasity that is the virtue needed so badly by today's youth.

The problem is non religious folk (and even some who are) don't view sex as being sacred and holy. They see it as what our bodies are meant to do and there is nothing more to it. Other people elevate virginity to such a level that sex no longer becomes a natural thing but a religious experience.

Using religion to promote abstinence or chasity will only work on religious people so right off the bat your message is lost on alot of today's youth. Additionally, even those who practice a religion may not see the connection between a physical act and a spiritual one.

Also, you can't blame this on schools. Schools are there to teach things like reading, math and science. Everything else begins and ends in the home.

 

[mpshiel]

Sex isn't good-
Chocolate cake is good.

Sex isn't great-
Frosted Flakes are great.

Sex is sacred and holy. It is a participation in the creative powers of God. To engage in sex before marriage is like using the altar chalice for a beer party. Would you play a muddy game of tug-of-war in your wedding dress? No, you save the dress for your wedding.

Abstainence teaches morality, self-control, and self-respect. It is the society full of immoral messages that makes the abstainence programs difficult. Amorality and moral relativism has spread like wildfire in our schools.

But it is more than abstainence that needs taught. It is actually chasity that is the virtue needed so badly by today's youth.

This is sort of the "perfect world" arguement.

For example: A Christian man would never rape a woman, because a Christian man would know how God hold each of us sacred and in His palm. No Christian would ever have major disagreements or anger with another Christian because a Christian would realize that God loves each one of his family members. No Christian could ever murder because every Christian knows that each person is either the home of the spirit of God or a potential family member of God that God holds precious. Because of this, we don't need the police, the courts or any appeal or complaint system in churches, only perhaps for those areas where there are non-Christians.

Hmmmm, wait a minute, we wouldn't expect millions and millions of Christians to act perfectly and we are realistic about the courts, the police and how people can forget God in thier frustration - but we do expect all those youths to be absolutely perfect until they get married. That is the basis of Abstinance only programs. There is perfection and there is failure - so why bother teaching for failure? Except that realisticly, we shouldn't be expecting more from the youth than we would from ourselves (unless most Christians out there see themselves living a totally perfectly life).

 

[MQTA]

an old saying comes to mind... Don't do as I do, Do as I tell you.