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The silence of God or "when is enough really enough?"

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Have you ever seen the movie "Enough"? Well, I saw it and I said to myself "is that enough? is that really all it takes?" Maybe the plot was not very well developed or something, but it seemed like he hit her about twice and she freaks out and kills him.

Let me tell you a little about my life and marriage. I got married at 19. It wasn't like I didn't expect the first year to be difficult, in most marriages it is a hard time of adjusting. But when is enough Enough? My husband and I moved to another state so he could go to college there, and I worked full time. We would get in fights and he would hit me, and I would fight back, and it would become a physical fight. After some months of this, I said to myself, "this is dumb, I am not going to do this anymore" so I stopped fighting back because it wasn't like I, a 97 pound female, was getting anywhere anyway. I just lay there and let it pass back then and it seemed all too often. If I got a particularly visible mark I would call in sick to work the next day, and a couple times when I didn't call in because it wasn't too bad I think my coworkers suspected something. But they never said anything. And I never said anything either.

I never said anything to anyone.

After 1 1/2 years of this, it faded to a rare occurance. I developed superior avoidance skills. I always knew when to stop talking or doing anything that would push him over the edge. I started threatening to call the police. (it would be easier to tell a stranger than someone I knew) Some combination of these things made him calm down to almost nothing. But something was broken between us. It was as if my image of him as a man fell off of a shelf in my heart and broke. Our marriage wasn't what it should be, it was a shell that remained for social expectations. It was there to make the right appearances at church. I never got close enough to anyone at church to tell them about any of this, but I did have a lot of friends. And I never hinted of it at all.

To me divorce was not an option. I committed for life. There were so many people out there who needed love and stability and if I divorced my husband it had the potential of pushing them away from God. I didn't want that, so I told myself that it wasn't about me, it was about them, because we were youth leaders. I could not be selfish.

Oh, but isn't that funny? Then comes the test. I failed, I am still a frail selfish human being. I had an affair. I fell in love with a guy who was my best friend, and I tried to ignore it for 6 months. Long and short, I was wrong. And it all came crashing down in June when I made the really stupid decisions.

It's back to abuse these days, only this time it is more mental than physical. He has told me he knows if he leaves any marks on me that I will show someone. So instead he slams me against the wall or grabs me my the shoulder and shakes, throws me on the ground, things that don't leave marks. Or he calls me a harlot. We need counseling. He won't go. He doesn't want to go talk to someone about "my problem." it is too embarrassing for him that I cheated on him.

I have finally told a few people, but not very many. Not my parents, but I need to.

I am leaving home soon, and I don't want to come back. I'm going somewhere where he can't find me just in case he goes psycho. I don't even want to come back if he begs...

I have heard all of the arguements saying "you cannot get divorced unless they cheat on you", and all of the arguements saying "even then, you should stay", but let me tell you what is really Enough. This is enough. Too much damage, too many scars.

And when I leave, what will happen? Every Christian in my life will condemn me because all that will come out is "she cheated on him and then got divorced" even though my plan is to be by myself not to run off and get married. But that is the trump card he will play, and he will win this game of poker, because I do not have the strength of mind to tell all of the people I know the truth behind the door.

And where is God? Where is the passage in the supposedly all-inclusive Bible stating "Oh and if your husband abuses you, then you can get divorced"? The Bible is surprisingly SILENT on the issue of abuse. Or maybe it is just "okay."
 

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No, it's not okay. Yes, it's true that God doesn't like divorce. But knowing God the way you do (I'm assuming since you're a youth leader) do you honestly think that what's happening to you is something God expects you to take? This is a situation that's driving you to sin. And, it sounds like you're going to leave anyway. But most importantly, this is a situation that's pulling you away from God...causing you to question God's plan. You asked 'where is God'. He's right there next to you every second of the abuse that you have to suffer. And he knows the wickedness in your husband's heart.

And you're right that the Bible doesn't specifically say that a husband can't abuse his wife, but it also doesn't give him leave to do so, either. It's very specific in the ways that a husband should treat his wife...he should love her as Christ loved the church, he should care for her as he would care for his own body, he should give up his life to protect her. And if he's using the lack of scripture on this subject as an excuse to hurt you, then shame on him.

I know this must be horrible for you. I'll say many prayers for you. I would beg you to talk to your pastor. I know that you're ashamed of your sin against your marriage, but this is a dangerous situation for you to stay in. If you're worried about what people will think of you and who's side they'll take...well, I know if you were a part of MY church and we found out the whole story, your husband would definitely not come out looking like the poor innocent little victim. Yes, you had an affair...that's a terrible sin...but it's no more a sin that what your husband is doing to you. Ask God's forgiveness for your sin...and then bring this situation out in the open. Find strength in God.

Love, Heather
 
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And when I leave, what will happen? Every Christian in my life will condemn me because all that will come out is "she cheated on him and then got divorced" even though my plan is to be by myself not to run off and get married. But that is the trump card he will play, and he will win this game of poker, because I do not have the strength of mind to tell all of the people I know the truth behind the door.

And where is God? Where is the passage in the supposedly all-inclusive Bible stating "Oh and if your husband abuses you, then you can get divorced"? The Bible is surprisingly SILENT on the issue of abuse. Or maybe it is just "okay."


No one has the right to condemn you. Only God can decide who is condemned and who isn't. If you are a Believer in Christ, all your sins are forgiven, no matter what. If you aren't a Christian , now's a good time to become one. The Bible says that whoever is a Believer in Christ is a whole new person, a whole new life begins, and certainly you are trying to begin a new life without this abusive man in your life.

I think if you explain that your husband beat you, no one will think twice about you leaving him. God doesn't expect people to persist in abusive relationships.

And the reason he didn't say anything in the Bible about leaving an abusive spouse is that he says so much about NOT abusing your spouse to begin with. He commands respect and love from the husband, and love and abuse cannot co-exist.

It is never God's will for a man to beat or mentally abuse his wife. Period.
 
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I feel like there is too much damage now. I am waiting for my direct deposit from work to stop so my paychecks don't go into my account when I leave. I still haven't found anywhere to go, and I don't know where to go. I am afraid when I go he will either go psycho and try to MAKE me come back home and find me, or he will beg me to come back. (or both) The first one would be scary and the second one would make me feel guilty. I don't want to come back. Nothing ever changes. He won't take me seriously. I tell him that I am upset with the way things are, and he just says "they aren't that bad." I told him I was thinking about moving out Nov. 1st a month ago and I've told him several times since, and he doesn't take me seriously STILL. He asked me if I want to go out of town that weekend! I don't know why he doesn't believe me. I can't live like this. I feel like I am living a marriage that only looks normal from the outside. I can't talk about it, it is too hard. I am so bad at it. They would all tell me to stay anyway because it is the "right thing to do." I guess I just don't want to do the "right thing" if what it means is my marriage is always bad, or even if it moves up to "not bad." I want more than that.
 
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I know some believe that the only reasons for divorce is infidelity or the spouse isn't Christian. Those were clarifications that Christ provided of the Old Testament.

According to the Old Testament (I can't remember the reference right now) divorce is permissible if something is found to be indecent with the spouse. I suspect Christ had to clarify it because men were making up lame excuses to divorce their wives.

Imagine yourself before Christ and ask Him the question, can you divorce? I'm sure he'll say to you that God commands him to honour you. He has violated that command. I might even go as far to suggest how can he be close to God and abuse you? You have every right to divorce that man.

At the very least you have the right to leave the man.

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salsa said:
And where is God? Where is the passage in the supposedly all-inclusive Bible stating "Oh and if your husband abuses you, then you can get divorced"? The Bible is surprisingly SILENT on the issue of abuse. Or maybe it is just "okay."
Biblically a man is given freedom to run his home predominately as he sees fit. If a woman chooses to marry an abusive man, or God forbid have children with one, she has chosen a hard lot if she lives as a Christian. She must choose between doing nothing, involving friends and family and (or) involving the authorities. Divorce solves nothing as the only thing to change is the faces and the names of the victims.
 
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I hope my little one gives me enough time to type this all up for you :) ....

I am so sorry that you have been driven to make the decision that you have. Ignore any berating you may get, any remarks that it's 'your fault' for choosing the wrong partner. You do have grounds for divorce according to the whole Bible.

For further reading go to www.instone-brewer.com, click on 'Divorce and Remarriage and then 'Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible'.

To summarise what it states, the article shows:

*Jesus and Paul condemned divorce without valid grounds and discouraged divorce even for valid grounds,

But.....

*Jesus and Paul both affirmed the Old Testatment grounds for divorce
*The Old Testament allowed divorce for adultery and neglect or abuse

Somewhere else on this site are ancient divorce decrees from around the time of Paul's teachings and highlight the fact that in 1 Corinthians Paul was drawing the Early church away from the Greco-Roman attitudes to divorce and back towards the Mosiac Jewish divorce laws which were applicable to both men and women.

Although we are all taught a more traditional church view concerning divorce, this view does not support women in the same way that the Early Church did.

I hope this site will help you to silence those judgemental voices who will try to point the finger at you and the very hard decision you have had to make. I personally have found this site to be very informative. :)

God bless you and I pray things gets better for you.
 
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desi said:
Biblically a man is given freedom to run his home predominately as he sees fit.
I think it's important to emphasize for any who may not know...
God tells us in his word how we should all treat each other & does specifically speak to husbands re: the treatment of their wives.
A husband does not have freedom to treat his wife however he chooses. Although he may choose to behave inappropriately, it is not biblically ok.
 
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I keep trying to tell my parents but it is too hard. I feel like once I open that can of worms there is no going back. Everything would be different, and I am afraid of change. It's so weird, how can I be afraid of change? I am afraid of changing my mind after I tell them I think. Things have been better recently. There has been nothing physical, we mostly seem to avoid each other or get in stupid arguements. I have no where to go, and if I go, I have forever changed my life. I may be completely by myself and I am very afraid.
 
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Sweetheart,

Go to the emergency numbers on your yellow pages and you should find numbers for the local battered woman's shelter. If not, call your police station and they can direct you. Call them. You would be directed to a shelter that is secret, so your husband can't find you, and they will give you the means to get your life in order. Then, you need to go to your courthouse and file for a restraining order. You can do this without an attorney (the abused woman's shelter might have attorneys on staff for this as well) and it is free in most states except for a small fee to have your husband served. That way, he can't talk to you or approach you.

Please do this. Your life on this Earth may depend on it.
 
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I am sorry to hear that you are in this situation. I would suggest that you separate from him and stay with your family for a period of time to prevent any more physical abuse from him. You two will need to begin marriage counseling sessions to work through the abuse and infidelity that is going on. I would not suggest moving back in with him until he can guarantee to the counselor that you will never be harmed again. Unfortunately, both of you are at fault for the present state of this marriage. Also, do keep in mind that if he decides to divorce you during the separation because of the infidelity, he is Biblically allowed to. Infidelity always carries a stigma.

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Chris, my family is 500+ miles away. I have a full time job here or I would consider doing that. Of course then that always breeches the problems of actually telling them about it.

He knows about the infidelity and isn't divoricing me... I wish he would it would make things easier for me.

He doesn't want to go to marriage counseling. I have considered going by myself but I always chicken out and it seems like yet another thing to do in an already busy life. I read on another thread about depression and the symptoms remind me of how I have been feeling. I have even gained a few pounds.

I have decided to stay put for now. I have to wait longer. I just don't feel it is right to leave. Things have been "good" recently in a relative interpretation of the word. I have agreed to go out of town with him on the first weekend in November... we shall see....

In the meanwhile I will look into getting in with a counselor, but I don't know who or how.
 
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You made a mistake - what he's doing can threaten your life. There is a big difference and there is absolutely no justification for his behavior.

If you are going to go out of town, then please do us a favor and post after you get back so we konw you made it back safely.
 
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He has you where he wants you...... You need to tell your parents and get out of that situation. If he wants you A LOT has to change. He has something within him that triggers this mess. Something in his past that he needs to let go. Your parents must know and know now....... Your issue with this other man was out of acceptance and want. Your husband wasnt giving you anything but bruises and heartache. I am not saying it was wise and that is between you and God. Call Mom and Dad and ask for help. If you cant do it, give me your number by PM and I will call them if your worried. Its not healthy and domestic violence is not cool. Do something NOW. I know you wont give me your number but I would if we was close friends.

Prayin

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Hey, I really appreciate the support. The only thing is I think you guys are overreacting a little. I don't feel like my life is in danger. And telling my parents is not an easy feat-- they LOVE him and he is perfect. I mean he is on his best behavior around others... its horrible, no one would believe me anyway on anything. All they would know is that I am a cheating jerk. This is why I cannot leave. But really, things must get better.
 
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