The siege on creation

[Eftsoon]

Lost in the simulation. I think this describes us pretty well. By us I mean humanity at large. For us, (in Christ) the sky is transparent and the heavens can be seen across the whole span. We have that at least. All the same, we're victims too.

We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it.

Having reread what I've posted I realise I sound stark raving mad. I'm talking about Transhumanism,singulatarianism. The ideology may be the greatest threat to our faith because it will redefine what religion means; it will make religion irrelevant. The ultimate aim is to make humanity God. It is a threat because , unlike atheism, it aims to satisfy all our desires: for power, glory, immortality, love, belonging, relationship. It promises these things and presents a clear route to their achievement.

Praise God that the mind of Christ will be a sufficient defence.

I've posted this here because our weapon is deeper fellowship with God - with the ground of being.This will keep us anchored and safely in harbor.

Please discuss!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Technocrats focus on production. However low tech maintenance and repair must be figured in. Necessary mundane work will be the wrench in their cogs.

"I was going to save the world today, but I had to mow the lawn."

 

[Eftsoon]

Technocrats focus on production. However low tech maintenance and repair must be figured in. Necessary mundane work will be the wrench in their cogs.

"I was going to save the world today, but I had to mow the lawn."

Well robots can do this, or people can be 'bred' to do it - engineered for a servile caste.

 

[pescador]

Lost in the simulation. I think this describes us pretty well. By us I mean humanity at large. For us, (in Christ) the sky is transparent and the heavens can be seen across the whole span. We have that at least. All the same, we're victims too.

We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it.

Having reread what I've posted I realise I sound stark raving mad. I'm talking about Transhumanism,singulatarianism. The ideology may be the greatest threat to our faith because it will redefine what religion means; it will make religion irrelevant. The ultimate aim is to make humanity God. It is a threat because , unlike atheism, it aims to satisfy all our desires: for power, glory, immortality, love, belonging, relationship. It promises these things and presents a clear route to their achievement.

Praise God that the mind of Christ will be a sufficient defence.

I've posted this here because our weapon is deeper fellowship with God - with the ground of being.This will keep us anchored and safely in harbor.

Please discuss!

When you write...

"We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it" ...

I think that you're really, really exaggerating. Personally, I live in reality, even though my career was in data processing for decades.

Nobody I know in the world of technology lives in the world of virtual reality, talks about it incessantly or wants to completely alter the fabric of reality. People in technology go to their jobs, do them as well as they can, then go home. (BTW, are you living in the world of virtual reality?)

If you actually think that the dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it I think you are suffering from paranoia. Go outside, in the sunlight and fresh air, feel the warmth, listen to the birds and insects, and experience God's creation.

After you've done that for, say, thirty minutes, come back inside and tell me just how the techies are doing... Of course, you have to use your tech device to do that!

My God bless you in Christ!

 

[Eftsoon]

When you write...

"We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it" ...

I think that you're really, really exaggerating. Personally, I live in reality, even though my career was in data processing for decades.

Nobody I know in the world of technology lives in the world of virtual reality, talks about it incessantly or wants to completely alter the fabric of reality. People in technology go to their jobs, do them as well as they can, then go home. (BTW, are you living in the world of virtual reality?)

If you actually think that the dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it I think you are suffering from paranoia. Go outside, in the sunlight and fresh air, feel the warmth, listen to the birds and insects, and experience God's creation.

After you've done that for, say, thirty minutes, come back inside and tell me just how the techies are doing... Of course, you have to use your tech device to do that!

My God bless you in Christ!

See Baudrillard or Debord. These guys were talking about this phenomena in the 60s. The process was in its infancy then. Cultural commentators are all talking about transhumanism. It is almost trivial. It is accepted by virtually everyone that the future is digital. The ultimate aim of futurists is an Omega Point (borrowed from Chardin) in which the cosmos becomes a thinking agent This is accomplished through nanotechnology and other advances.Admittedly this is on the fringes, but it is the natural and inveitable goal of self aware AI. See Hugo De Garis or Max More.

I'm surprised you haven't encountered any of this. By now it shouldn't sound paranoid at all. The media and cultural commentary is saturated with it.

As for our current condition, we are steeped in technology every day. Again this is absolutely and shockingly banal. We are living in a techologically mediated society.


The Omega Point and Beyond: The Singularity Event
The Society of the Spectacle - Wikipedia
Simulacra and Simulation - Wikipedia

 

[Leaf473]

Lost in the simulation. I think this describes us pretty well. By us I mean humanity at large. For us, (in Christ) the sky is transparent and the heavens can be seen across the whole span. We have that at least. All the same, we're victims too.

We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it.

Having reread what I've posted I realise I sound stark raving mad. I'm talking about Transhumanism,singulatarianism. The ideology may be the greatest threat to our faith because it will redefine what religion means; it will make religion irrelevant. The ultimate aim is to make humanity God. It is a threat because , unlike atheism, it aims to satisfy all our desires: for power, glory, immortality, love, belonging, relationship. It promises these things and presents a clear route to their achievement.

Praise God that the mind of Christ will be a sufficient defence.

I've posted this here because our weapon is deeper fellowship with God - with the ground of being.This will keep us anchored and safely in harbor.

Please discuss!

I think you have some valid concerns, at the same time...

my first reaction was that since humans have a soul and/or spirit, technology can't erase God's creation and replace it.

My second reaction is that if things get out of hand God will intervene as he did at the Tower of Babel.

 

[Eftsoon]

I think you have some valid concerns, at the same time...

my first reaction was that since humans have a soul and/or spirit, technology can't erase God's creation and replace it.

My second reaction is that if things get out of hand God will intervene as he did at the Tower of Babel.

When I say 'replace' I mean superimpose. Think of augmented reality. The real world is still there, but there is a digital overlay. There is then a new hybrid reality. The original creation is replaced.We are in the very very early phases of this with social media and the ubiquity of technology. Extrapolate a future based on the evolution of the internet of things. Where will this be in 100 years? Science fiction is just chock full of speculations.

God will, of course, intervene, but there is no guarantee when, and how far along this process will go.

 

[pescador]

See Baudrillard or Debord. These guys were talking about this phenomena in the 60s. The process was in its infancy then. Cultural commentators are all talking about transhumanism. It is almost trivial. It is accepted by virtually everyone that the future is digital. The ultimate aim of futurists is an Omega Point (borrowed from Chardin) in which the cosmos becomes a thinking agent This is accomplished through nanotechnology and other advances.Admittedly this is on the fringes, but it is the natural and inveitable goal of self aware AI. See Hugo De Garis or Max More.

I'm surprised you haven't encountered any of this. By now it shouldn't sound paranoid at all. The media and cultural commentary is saturated with it.

As for our current condition, we are steeped in technology every day. Again this is absolutely and shockingly banal. We are living in a techologically mediated society.


The Omega Point and Beyond: The Singularity Event
The Society of the Spectacle - Wikipedia
Simulacra and Simulation - Wikipedia

Perhaps you are living in a technologically-mediated society but you can't speak for everyone. I happen to live on a ranch in New Mexico -- "the land of enchantment" -- with my wife, three dogs, nine horses, and seven chickens.

I use a laptop and a cell phone, but that's the extent of my "plugging in" -- pun intended -- to technology. Oh yes, I also watch some TV, but not as often as I watch the sunset.

Again, why not just step outside, take a walk, and observe God's glory in His creation.

Technology is nothing more than digital machinery. It's nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Eftsoon]

Perhaps you are living in a technologically-mediated society but you can't speak for everyone. I happen to live on a ranch in New Mexico -- "the land of enchantment" with my wife, three dogs, nine horses, and seven chickens.

I use a laptop and a cell phone, but that's the extent of my "plugging in" -- pun intended -- to technology. Oh yes, I also watch some TV, but not as often as I watch the sunset.

Again, why not just step outside, take a walk, and observe God's glory in His creation.

Technology is nothing more than digital machinery. It's nothing to be concerned about.

Please. Spend some time and thoroughly research what is being planned, or simply extrapolate based on the trends we can already see in the present.

https://humanityplus.org/transhumanism/philosophy-of-transhumanism/

I think that your life sounds absoutely wonderful btw If only!

The world is changing rapidly.

 

[d taylor]

Lost in the simulation. I think this describes us pretty well. By us I mean humanity at large. For us, (in Christ) the sky is transparent and the heavens can be seen across the whole span. We have that at least. All the same, we're victims too.

We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it.

Having reread what I've posted I realise I sound stark raving mad. I'm talking about Transhumanism,singulatarianism. The ideology may be the greatest threat to our faith because it will redefine what religion means; it will make religion irrelevant. The ultimate aim is to make humanity God. It is a threat because , unlike atheism, it aims to satisfy all our desires: for power, glory, immortality, love, belonging, relationship. It promises these things and presents a clear route to their achievement.

Praise God that the mind of Christ will be a sufficient defence.

I've posted this here because our weapon is deeper fellowship with God - with the ground of being.This will keep us anchored and safely in harbor.

Please discuss!

If you believe you live on a globe earth spinning through space then you are living in a simulation.

 

[Eftsoon]

If you believe you live on a globe earth spinning through space then you are living in a simulation.

Flat earth? Or is this about the idea of models?
If the former, I have no arguments. Admittedly I take it for granted we live on a 'globe'.

 

[pescador]

Please. Spend some time and thoroughly research what is being planned, or simply extrapolate based on the trends we can already see in the present.

Philosophy of Transhumanism - Humanity+

I think that your life sounds absoutely wonderful btw If only!

The world is changing rapidly.

I would rather be outside taking my daily walk in a wilderness preserve.

Romans 1:20-21, "For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened."

 

[d taylor]

Flat earth? Or is this about the idea of models?
If the former, I have no arguments. Admittedly I take it for granted we live on a 'globe'.

I am a Biblical flat earth believer, not sure what models you speak of.

 

[Eftsoon]

I would rather be outside taking my daily walk in a wilderness preserve.

Romans 1:20-21, "For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened."

At the same time we are told to be conscious and alert about the times in which we live

 

[SANTOSO]

Dear one,
Let us our focus be in the love of Christ.
Let His love reign in our lives.

For we heard:
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[coffee4u]

Lost in the simulation. I think this describes us pretty well. By us I mean humanity at large. For us, (in Christ) the sky is transparent and the heavens can be seen across the whole span. We have that at least. All the same, we're victims too.

We are being swallowed up by a new technological world which is descending like a parody of Christ's kingdom. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. For now, we can slide in and out of VR, but a time is coming when the virtual reality will be the reality. The church doesn't talk about this all that much, but the technocrats talk about it incessantly, and they can't wait to completely alter the fabric of reality. The dream is to index and digitise everything, down to the subatomic scale. The dream is to completely erase God's creation and replace it.

Having reread what I've posted I realise I sound stark raving mad. I'm talking about Transhumanism,singulatarianism. The ideology may be the greatest threat to our faith because it will redefine what religion means; it will make religion irrelevant. The ultimate aim is to make humanity God. It is a threat because , unlike atheism, it aims to satisfy all our desires: for power, glory, immortality, love, belonging, relationship. It promises these things and presents a clear route to their achievement.

Praise God that the mind of Christ will be a sufficient defence.

I've posted this here because our weapon is deeper fellowship with God - with the ground of being.This will keep us anchored and safely in harbor.

Please discuss!

What they want or plan doesn't matter.

Revelation 1:7
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.

 

[Eftsoon]

What they want or plan doesn't matter.

Revelation 1:7
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.

It does in the sense that we are being caught up in the net unwittingly. We need to be aware. Not to be obsessive and paranoid, but so that we can make right choices.
There will be a time when you willl be able to modify your own genes or receive neural implants. The church has no stance on these things, but they will have huge consequences.

 

[Leaf473]

When I say 'replace' I mean superimpose. Think of augmented reality. The real world is still there, but there is a digital overlay. There is then a new hybrid reality. The original creation is replaced.We are in the very very early phases of this with social media and the ubiquity of technology. Extrapolate a future based on the evolution of the internet of things. Where will this be in 100 years? Science fiction is just chock full of speculations.

God will, of course, intervene, but there is no guarantee when, and how far along this process will go.

I think I understand what you're saying about a digital overlay. I'm experiencing it as I "write" this because I'm using Google voice typing while walking around outdoors enjoying the trees. But I feel like I'm talking to a large group of people, virtually.

Having read the latest posts on this thread, I'm not sure what you're advocating. I agree that it's good to have a general awareness of where technology is going.

At the same time, it's not really possible to predict 20 or 30 years into the future, imo. Back in the early 90s, I don't think anyone could have predicted the Internet of 2021. So we can't really deal with technologies until after they arrive, again imo.

 

[Eftsoon]

I think I understand what you're saying about a digital overlay. I'm experiencing it as I "write" this because I'm using Google voice typing while walking around outdoors enjoying the trees. But I feel like I'm talking to a large group of people, virtually.

Having read the latest posts on this thread, I'm not sure what you're advocating. I agree that it's good to have a general awareness of where technology is going.

At the same time, it's not really possible to predict 20 or 30 years into the future, imo. Back in the early 90s, I don't think anyone could have predicted the Internet of 2021. So we can't really deal with technologies until after they arrive, again imo.

The current state of affairs technologically was predicted long ago by various philosophers and sociologists. There were writers doing this inthe Renaissance!

 

[Leaf473]

And to ramble on, as I ramble on while walking...

It would have been good if people in the 1990s had prepared for ransomware.
(Actually it would be great if more people and organizations were prepared for it now )

But I don't think anyone back then predicted that there would be this thing called cryptocurrency that would make ransomware a much more practical crime.