The sickest people are in the hospitals...

[Autumnleaf]

A preacher's son once told me this as it pertains to Christians and church. He said most messed up Christians went to church and even had high positions there in part because they were so messed up. Is this so? Is it moral/ethical?

 

[wanderingone]

A preacher's son once told me this as it pertains to Christians and church. He said most messed up Christians went to church and even had high positions there in part because they were so messed up. Is this so? Is it moral/ethical?

So the Christians who go to church and who have "high positions" are messed up? I take it the preacher's son didn't have a great relationship with his dad.

 

[quatona]

The sickest people are in the hospitals...

Sometimes I can´t help the impression that quite a few of them are here on CF.

 

[DeathMagus]

CF Rule #943 - Simply posting "Is this moral/ethical" after a random conglomeration of allegations does not make said conglomeration an ethical quandary.

 

[Autumnleaf]

So the Christians who go to church and who have "high positions" are messed up? I take it the preacher's son didn't have a great relationship with his dad.

I know two guys who are preacher's sons. Neither of them had such a great relationship with their fathers and both of their fathers were preachers in Wyoming when they were growing up. The kids turned out to be nice guys who turned out well. They just didn't seem to agree with how their fathers behaved.

 

[stan1980]

Sometimes I can´t help the impression that quite a few of them are here on CF.

The person who thought it was a good idea to install Wi-Fi in hospitals has a lot to answer for.

 

[oneofthem]

A preacher's son once told me this as it pertains to Christians and church. He said most messed up Christians went to church and even had high positions there in part because they were so messed up. Is this so? Is it moral/ethical?

Hi Autumn.

I'm still trying to figure out whether or not you're a troll.

Messed up Christians go to church, true. Christians (if they have a fuller understanding of the basics of the faith) understand that they are not in relationship with God simply because of what a great person they are or how many good things they've done, but purely by the grace of God that covers our "messed up-ed-ness", or sin, or failings of their humanity.

People in leadership are messed up, just as people in the congregation are messed up, just as the greatest Christian leaders who have ever lived (with the exception of Jesus Himself) were messed up.

Regarding the words of your friend...

I get the impression that either you or him misunderstood what his preacher dad's words, or that his preacher dad didn't articulate it properly. If you quoted him in your heading, then i am pretty sure that he meant that Christians aren't morally superior to anyone else, just messed up normal people, but the difference is, they acknowledge their need for the grace of God. Jesus said "It is the sick who need a doctor, not the healthy", explaining why He hung out with sinners.

But if your understanding is accurate, i'm not quite sure why he would do that, but then, i'm not quite sure why Jesus chose some of the disciples He chose either.

 

[selfinflikted]

Hi Autumn.

I'm still trying to figure out whether or not you're a troll.

Isn't it obvious? Obvious Troll is obvious.

 

[oneofthem]

Isn't it obvious? Obvious Troll is obvious.

Ke?

 

[Autumnleaf]

Hi Autumn.

I'm still trying to figure out whether or not you're a troll.

Messed up Christians go to church, true. Christians (if they have a fuller understanding of the basics of the faith) understand that they are not in relationship with God simply because of what a great person they are or how many good things they've done, but purely by the grace of God that covers our "messed up-ed-ness", or sin, or failings of their humanity.

People in leadership are messed up, just as people in the congregation are messed up, just as the greatest Christian leaders who have ever lived (with the exception of Jesus Himself) were messed up.

Regarding the words of your friend...

I get the impression that either you or him misunderstood what his preacher dad's words, or that his preacher dad didn't articulate it properly. If you quoted him in your heading, then i am pretty sure that he meant that Christians aren't morally superior to anyone else, just messed up normal people, but the difference is, they acknowledge their need for the grace of God. Jesus said "It is the sick who need a doctor, not the healthy", explaining why He hung out with sinners.

But if your understanding is accurate, i'm not quite sure why he would do that, but then, i'm not quite sure why Jesus chose some of the disciples He chose either.

I am curious about things that most people take for granted one way or another. For that they often call me a troll, often coming from both sides of the argument...

I took it to mean that many Christians are more 'messed up' than people who don't go to church. Especially in the case of very devout people who go to church. Without church and the structure it gives them who knows what they would be like. I'm not sure if I agree with this appraisal, which is why I brought it here for discussion.

 

[oneofthem]

I am curious about things that most people take for granted one way or another. For that they often call me a troll, often coming from both sides of the argument...

I took it to mean that many Christians are more 'messed up' than people who don't go to church. Especially in the case of very devout people who go to church. Without church and the structure it gives them who knows what they would be like. I'm not sure if I agree with this appraisal, which is why I brought it here for discussion.

No worries, thanks for clearing that up. It was a bit hard to tell from your OP.

So just to clarify, you hypothesise that Christians are more "messed up" than non-Christians? That is an interesting observation. Not sure what they're like where you're from, and i guess it also depends on how you define messed up. If it simply means that they live life a little differently to yourself, or have different opinions or values than you, then this isn't necessarily "messed up", unless of course, it is harming them or those around them.

I said the "troll" thing because i've seen the way you've started some other threads, and you can tend to come across as someone who simply wants to start an argument in the tone and words of your posts. Eg, the "sex equality is an asisine concept" one. (Btw, it is interesting you claim your view on "equality" is biblical, yet here you suggest Christians are more messed up than non-Christians).

Anyway, as i said, Christians are people who know and admit that they are messed up, and therefore need Jesus to reconcile us to God because our works, or "non-messed-upped-ness" cannot.

 

[Autumnleaf]

Anyway, as i said, Christians are people who know and admit that they are messed up, and therefore need Jesus to reconcile us to God because our works, or "non-messed-upped-ness" cannot.

That is probably the whole point. Christians who go to church may on balance lead better/more Godly lives than others but its probably through God's grace.

 

[oneofthem]

You pretty much summed up our faith!