The seventh seal opened and Revelation unfolds

[Jerryhuerta]

Yes verses 4-14 do. The temple was destroyed in 70ad, in that 40 years leading up to the destruction of the temple, verses 4-13 describe what the disciples would go through during that time?

Oh, so now you have become a futurist. While I am supporting the historist view of those verses.


Verse 14 is long term, not historist view. The gospel of the kingdom is being preached throughout the nations even to this day. Tell me that is not true.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The end of the age is end times, later days , latter years.
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The signal for the disciples and Jews of the first century to flee to the mountains is in Luke 21 - when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. Not the abomination standing in the holy place.


You are taking what Josephus wrote - and adding your spin to it. In that quotation of Josephus, he did not write that the Romans were an abomination that caused desolation.

Daniel 8:11 is by the little horn person and that vision of him is time of the end IN THE TEXT of Daniel 8:17. Not first century.


Jerry, you are disregarding anything that has time of the end attached to it.

2Timothy2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Jerry, I divided Matthew 24 up, in timeline sequential order, as it should be.

Near term events - Destruction of the Temple, verses 4-13
Long term events - verse 14
End times events - 15-51

You, on the other hand are all over the place. You have...

Long term - verses 4-13
Near term - verses 15-22
End times - don't have a clue

Let's see, verse 5 in Matthew's OD:

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.​

This is not merely an imminent warning; this is addressed to anyone living in this age.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.​

Again, this is addressed to anyone in this age.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.​

Again, this is addressed to anyone in this age.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.​

Again, this is addressed to anyone in this age all the way up to verse 15, when the transition occurs in which he addresses the "first question."

There isn't one verse of Matthew 24:4-14 that addresses the "first question."

Don't know what you mean about be being a futurist. You're confused: what we have in the OD is telescoping, which allows for imminent and distant interpretation of passages. My interpretation that some passages are distant does not translate into holding futurism.

Luke's account of the phenomenon does not preclude Matthew's. Matthew's adds a detail his doesn't. This is merely a specious issue.

Adding spin is for futurist. Josephus maintains that the Romans made a desolation of his people and nation and connects it with Daniel. This supports historicism, even if its not liked by futurist.

And I do not disregard the issue of the end time. I wrote a book on it. The issue is that if you can't get the identities of Daniel and the Revelation correct, to include the OD, then your idea's about the end time are pointless to me, or anyone else pursuing the truth.

 

[Douggg]

Luke's account of the phenomenon does not preclude Matthew's. Matthew's adds a detail his doesn't. This is merely a specious issue.

Regarding the desolation of Jerusalem and the destruction of the 2nd temple - you have it just backwards.

Luke 21 has much more detail that Matthew 24.

Luke 21:20-21. The surrounded by armies warning is not in Matthew 24.
Luke 21:24. The Jews being taken captive into the nations is not in Matthew 24
Luke 21: 24 Jerusalem trodden down by the gentiles, until the times of the gentiles fulfilled is not in Matthew 24.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Regarding the desolation of Jerusalem and the destruction of the 2nd temple - you have it just backwards.

Luke 21 has much more detail that Matthew 24.

Luke 21:20-21. The surrounded by armies warning is not in Matthew 24.
Luke 21:24. The Jews being taken captive into the nations is not in Matthew 24
Luke 21: 24 Jerusalem trodden down by the gentiles, until the times of the gentiles fulfilled is not in Matthew 24.

Apologetics maintain that we can expect different details by different persons of the gospels.

 

[Book of Revelation]