the self replicating watch argument

[doubtingmerle]

I rejoice in everything God does because everything He does is perfect, even if it is punishing unrepentant wicked sinners with eternal torment.

Suppose someone was holding a dog's paw on a hot frying pan. You would pity the dog, yes? That feeling is called compassion.

The creationist who started this thread reports his religion as judaism. I assume this means he does not recognize Jesus as the messiah. If his opinion on this does not change, will you rejoice that xianghua is tormented in fire forever? Would not anything inside you want the torment to stop? Would you have no compassion?

Rest assured that I would not want xianghua, or you, or anybody here to be tormented forever.

 

[xianghua]

I have already shown to you that animals can do some things that non-living machines cannot do. There was a time you even agreed with me on this.

Sigh. Do you or do you not think it is possible that animals can do some things that non-living machines cannot do?

sure. but the opposite is true too: some non living machines can do things that animals cant. so what?

 

[xianghua]

Do you still believe in magical car animals? I’ve not looked at this site for months and you still thinks magical car animals can reproduce?

what about magical cat like robot with a self replicating system?

 

[xianghua]

Read what you replied to. Your reply sounds like you want doubtingmerle to prove that cars cannot evolve or babies !

Cars are not biological. Cars do not evolve, they are designed. Cars do not have babies, they are manufactured.

Cars not evolving or having babies does not show that animals do not evolve or have babies.

read again what i said. im talking about ic system. the abillity to reproduce doesnt have any connection to this topic.

 

[Speedwell]

read again what i said. im talking about ic system. the abillity to reproduce doesnt have any connection to this topic.

Well, it does, really, because that's part of how nature produces its "ic systems."

 

[xianghua]

Well, it does, really, because that's part of how nature produces its "ic systems."

but if ic systems exist in nature then it doesnt have any connection and the abillity to reproduce will not help in this case..

 

[Speedwell]

but if ic systems exist in nature then it doesnt have any connection and the abillity to reproduce will not help in this case..

Only if you can show that what you call "ic systems" cannot be generated by a stochastic process.

 

[doubtingmerle]

sure. but the opposite is true too: some non living machines can do things that animals cant. so what?

So what? So then your argument on this thread is defeated.

Here is a summary of what you have been saying here:

1. Non-living machines can't come from biological evolution.

2. If non-living machines can't do something, then animals can't do it either.

3. Therefore animals can't evolve.
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In this thread we have told you in a hundred different ways that statement 2 is false. When pressed you even agree with us that statement 2 is false.

So let's remove statement 2 from your syllogism, since we all agree it is false. When you do that your entire argument crashes down.

 

[Astrophile]

Only a genuine fool would deny that everything was created. Only a genuine fool would swallow that pathetic idea that everything came from nothing, I mean that idea takes the cake for the bottom of the heap of humanity.

All right, let's suppose that you are correct and that the hypothesis that everything came from nothing is false. Are you then willing to accept that the Earth (which was formed from pre-existing material) is 4540 million years old, that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and that we have a common ancestor with apes? If not, why not?

 

[Dan1988]

Suppose someone thought everything came from infinite quantum affects. Would he also be a genuine fool?

Oh' yes, they would be an absolute fool. Because they still believe that everything came from nothing but they just add an absurd theory to how everything came from nothing. You just can't defy logic and sidestep the elephant in the room

 

[Dan1988]

All right, let's suppose that you are correct and that the hypothesis that everything came from nothing is false. Are you then willing to accept that the Earth (which was formed from pre-existing material) is 4540 million years old, that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and that we have a common ancestor with apes? If not, why not?

No i don't believe any of the above, because there is absolutely ZERO!!!!!!! evidence to support any of those theories. Apes have always been apes, birds have always been birds. Nobody has ever found a single transitional species.

Please show me one single fossil of a species transitioning form one kind to another. I beg you, I will become an instant evolutionist. Please have a look at this 4 minute video dealing with this issue.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Oh' yes, they would be an absolute fool. Because they still believe that everything came from nothing but they just add an absurd theory to how everything came from nothing. You just can't defy logic and sidestep the elephant in the room

Quantum affects are not nothing. They are something.

 

[doubtingmerle]

No i don't believe any of the above, because there is absolutely ZERO!!!!!!! evidence to support any of those theories. Apes have always been apes, birds have always been birds. Nobody has ever found a single transitional species.

Please show me one single fossil of a species transitioning form one kind to another. I beg you, I will become an instant evolutionist.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Archaeopteryx_bavarica_Detail.jpg

I assume you are now an evolutionist.

 

[Dan1988]

Suppose someone was holding a dog's paw on a hot frying pan. You would pity the dog, yes? That feeling is called compassion.

The creationist who started this thread reports his religion as judaism. I assume this means he does not recognize Jesus as the messiah. If his opinion on this does not change, will you rejoice that xianghua is tormented in fire forever? Would not anything inside you want the torment to stop? Would you have no compassion?

Rest assured that I would not want xianghua, or you, or anybody here to be tormented forever.

I'm simply more than happy with everything God does, because I believe He has a good reason for casting sinners into hell. I actually trust my God to do all things well, He's not lacking in any way as you are accusing Him of.

As I said before, you are not in a position to judge anything God does but He is in a position to judge you and everyone else. You have been commanded to obey all of Gods commandments so you are without excuse for breaking them, you have been warned so if you end up in hell it will be because you rebelled and chose to defy God and that has the most serious consequences attached to it.

Nobody is in hell because God is unfair, they are there because they chose to sin against God throughout their entire lives. So they will pay for that throughout the entire eternity.

You are trying to judge a perfect God as a filthy wicked sinner and it just doesn't wash with me.

 

[Dan1988]

Quantum affects are not nothing. They are something.

Yes but you are still saying that something came from nothing, quantum effects had to be created if they exists. Don't guys understand the basic universal laws that govern the whole universe

 

[pitabread]

Please show me one single fossil of a species transitioning form one kind to another. I beg you, I will become an instant evolutionist.

How would you define a transitional fossil? Do you subscribe to the standard definition that are used by paleontologists?

 

[Speedwell]

No i don't believe any of the above, because there is absolutely ZERO!!!!!!! evidence to support any of those theories. Apes have always been apes, birds have always been birds. Nobody has ever found a single transitional species.

Please show me one single fossil of a species transitioning form one kind to another. I beg you, I will become an instant evolutionist. Please have a look at this 4 minute video dealing with this issue.

So your issue is not the existence of God, but evolution--that is, the literal inerrancy of Scripture?

 

[Dan1988]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Archaeopteryx_bavarica_Detail.jpg

I assume you are now an evolutionist.

LOL!!! that was one of the species which became extinct in Noah's flood, you can even see by the way it's complete that it was drowned in mud and it didn't just die. If it did die on land it's bones would be scattered everywhere by the wind and the rain. So this proves it was quickly buried under mud and water.

So yeah, you can keep your false theory all to yourself

 

[Dan1988]

How would you define a transitional fossil? Do you subscribe to the standard definition that are used by paleontologists?

you can't get around the question using the famous old scientific trick of circular reasoning. Everyone has moved on, it's old now.

You know exactly what we mean, show us one single fossil of a transitional species such as something between a bird and a pig or any other transitional species that you care to mention. Science is at a complete loss and evolution has been exposed and debunked one and for all.

Evolutionists have been left with egg on their face and you must deal with the facts, you can't hide behind the pathetic trick of circular reasoning which starts and finishes with a big fat lie.

 

[pitabread]

You know exactly what we mean, show us one single fossil of a transitional species such as something between a bird and a pig or any other transitional species that you care to mention.

No I don't know what you mean. My experience is that creationists often have their own private definitions in these discussions that are non-standard compared to how things are defined scientifically.

So I ask again: what is a transitional fossil to you?

Evolutionists have been left with egg on their face and you must deal with the facts, you can't hide behind the pathetic trick of circular reasoning which starts and finishes with a big fat lie.

I have no idea what you are going on about. All I did was ask you for a definition of what you would consider a transitional fossil.