the self replicating watch argument

[Speedwell]

if you say that its different you should prove it. so far we know that both are ic so the burdon of proof is not on my saide.

Not so fast, Slick. Your argument appears to be,

P1. Both cars and living creatures are irreducibly complex.
P2. Cars are intelligently designed.
C. Therefore living creatures are intelligently designed.

Right?

There's a hole in that logic you could drive one of your self-replicating cars through. You need another premise:

Irreducible complexity can only arise through intelligent design.

If you use that premise, then you don't need the cars at all and your argument becomes,

P1. Living creatures are irreducibly complex.
P2. Irreducible complexity can only arise through intelligent design.
C. Therefore living creatures are intelligently designed.

See? At least that is valid logic. Now all you have to do is define the terms and demonstrate the truth of the premises and your argument will be undeniable.

 

[Skreeper]

I refuse to empty my self of all common sense and lend my mind to some crazy Pagan theory.

You really hate pagans, don't you? Do you even know what a pagan is because I highly doubt it.

 

[Speedwell]

You really hate pagans, don't you? Do you even know what a pagan is because I highly doubt it.

I think you may take a "Pagan" to be anyone who is not a right-wing fundamentalist Evangelical Christian, nor an atheist.

 

[Skreeper]

I think you may take a "Pagan" to be anyone who is not a right-wing fundamentalist Evangelical Christian, nor an atheist.

That's what a Pagan would say....I'm onto you boy...

 

[Dan1988]

It is not a "private" view". It is a view that anyone who keeps up with science, can read Wikipedia or use Google can verify. The ignorance, deception and at least 1 lie in the video are obvious. Read what I wrote. The video lies.

1. Science has an answer for origin of mass - the Higgs mechanism confirmed by observation of the Higgs boson.
2. Science has an answer for where we came from: Human evolution

Allow me to enlighten you about the facts.

1. Science does not have any facts about the origin of mass - it has a "THEORY" on the origin of mass. Theories are like a******s everyone has one.

2. science has no answer for where we came from - it has a "THEORY" and we know all about theories

 

[Dan1988]

You really hate pagans, don't you? Do you even know what a pagan is because I highly doubt it.

The Bible says that Pagans are those who have been deceived by Satan. God has turned them over to their own foolishness to chase after fables. They never find out the truth about life and they end up in hell to be tormented forever.

The Bible also calls them the reprobate, you can look it up. There's a lot of information about them, they are also known as Atheists.

 

[Skreeper]

The Bible says that Pagans are those who have been deceived by Satan. God has turned them over to their own foolishness to chase after fables. They never find out the truth about life and they end up in hell to be tormented forever.

The Bible also calls them the reprobate, you can look it up. There's a lot of information about them, they are also known as Atheists.

Does it fill you with joy thinking about billions of people getting tormented forever?

Do you think eternal torment is something we deserve for not believing?

 

[Skreeper]

Allow me to enlighten you about the facts.

1. Science does not have any facts about the origin of mass - it has a "THEORY" on the origin of mass. Theories are like a******s everyone has one.

2. science has no answer for where we came from - it has a "THEORY" and we know all about theories

Allow me to educate you on the word theory when it comes to science:

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

 

[Dan1988]

Does it fill you with joy thinking about billions of people getting tormented forever?

Do you think eternal torment is something we deserve for not believing?

I agree with God, so I love everything He does. He is righteous and just, He never punishes anyone for nothing, so of' course I agree with Him and rejoice that He is in control of everything including the punishment of the reprobate.

 

[Dan1988]

Allow me to educate you on the word theory when it comes to science:

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

The problem with the scientific theory is it fails many times, because the scientists don't have a clue about how God ordained things to work. Science can't be sure about anything, because thigs just don't always behave the same way.

Scientists have been studying and experimenting and observing Gods creation for the past 6000 years and they haven't got of the starting line yet. They still don't know the very basics about why things behave the way they do, all they do is scratch their heads.

All Scientists can do is observe Gods creation and try to figure out why He created things the way He did. They must remain in the physical boundaries that God set in place and they have to work within Gods rules to discover anything.

Scientists are trying to discover the program works that God put into the physical world, but they are no closer to breaking the code than when they started 6000 years ago. That's what I call retarded.

 

[pitabread]

Scientists are trying to discover the program works that God put into the physical world, but they are no closer to breaking the code than when they started 6000 years ago. That's what I call retarded.

Yes, it's clearly so "retarded" that it resulted in this magical computer device you are currently using to post words on another magical computer which can then be accessed by people around the planet via a magical computer network.

Unless you are willing to forgo any advancements from scientific knowledge, denigrating science is just hypocritical.

 

[doubtingmerle]

He never punishes anyone for nothing, so of' course I agree with Him and rejoice that He is in control of everything including the punishment of the reprobate.

So it fills you with joy that I will be tortured forever without a second chance?

And what did I do to deserve that? The difference between you and I is that, when I studied the evidence for the resurrection I concluded it never happened. Suppose I am mistaken. For that I will be tortured forever without having a chance to change my mind? And the thought of that fills you with joy?

 

[Dan1988]

Yes, it's clearly so "retarded" that it resulted in this magical computer device you are currently using to post words on another magical computer which can then be accessed by people around the planet via a magical computer network.

Unless you are willing to forgo any advancements from scientific knowledge, denigrating science is just hypocritical.

It only took them 6000 years to discover the computer. A monkey would have discovered it in 7000 years so yeah

 

[Dan1988]

So it fills you with joy that I will be tortured forever without a second chance?

And what did I do to deserve that? The difference between you and I is that, when I studied the evidence for the resurrection I concluded it never happened. Suppose I am mistaken. For that I will be tortured forever without having a chance to change my mind? And the thought of that fills you with joy?

Jesus will judge every human who has ever lived on judgement day. We know He said He would cast all of those who don't know Him as their Savior into the lake of fire.

So if you don't know Christ as your personal Savior you will most certainly be tormented in fervently hot fire for ever and ever. You are absolutely foolish if you refuse to accept His offer of salvation, put your pride aside and repent and ask Him to be the Lord of your life.

He is waiting for you to come to Him in repentance, then He will reveal Himself to you and save you and give you eternal life in paradise. This offer is only available while you live and it only gets harder to accept, every time you reject it so don't put off the most important decision in your eternity any longer.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Jesus will judge every human who has ever lived on judgement day. We know He said He would cast all of those who don't know Him as their Savior into the lake of fire.

So if you don't know Christ as your personal Savior you will most certainly be tormented in fervently hot fire for ever and ever. You are absolutely foolish if you refuse to accept His offer of salvation, put your pride aside and repent and ask Him to be the Lord of your life.

He is waiting for you to come to Him in repentance, then He will reveal Himself to you and save you and give you eternal life in paradise. This offer is only available while you live and it only gets harder to accept, every time you reject it so don't put off the most important decision in your eternity any longer.

All of which is a refusal to answer my question. Once again here is the question you will not answer:

Does the thought that I would be tortured forever with no second chance fill you with joy?​

Rest assured that if you or any human were in that position it would not fill me with joy. It would horrify me. I would want to end the torment. I would not rejoice that it was happening.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Pigs will fly

Yep, having read so much of the creationist output on these forums that's pretty much why I chose the avatar.

Now, are you a Poe or a genuine fool?

 

[Dan1988]

All of which is a refusal to answer my question. Once again here is the question you will not answer:

Does the thought that I would be tortured forever with no second chance fill you with joy?​

Rest assured that if you or any human were in that position it would not fill me with joy. It would horrify me. I would want to end the torment. I would not rejoice that it was happening.

The fact that the majority will burn in hell forever has nothing to do with me. I rejoice in everything God does because everything He does is perfect, even if it is punishing unrepentant wicked sinners with eternal torment.

I can't judge what God does, because I'm not qualified as a fallen sinner myself. How can a fallen sinner like myself with a very limited small mind, judge an infinitely wise and good and Holy God. I'm just not qualified to judge Him, He is the only one who is qualified to judge anyone.

As an infinitely wise, loving and just God. He judges fairly, I'm a fallen sinner and I believe most people deserve sever punishment so imagine what a Holy God thinks.

 

[Dan1988]

Yep, having read so much of the creationist output on these forums that's pretty much why I chose the avatar.

Now, are you a Poe or a genuine fool?

Only a genuine fool would deny that everything was created. Only a genuine fool would swallow that pathetic idea that everything came form nothing, I mean that idea takes the cake for the bottom of the heap of humanity.

No intelligent person could ever swallow such an insulting idea, it an insult to an intelligent person. We posses the truth, so once you have the truth why would you even entertain foolish notions like that pathetic lie.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Only a genuine fool would deny that everything was created. Only a genuine fool would swallow that pathetic idea that everything came form nothing, I mean that idea takes the cake for the bottom of the heap of humanity.

No intelligent person could ever swallow such an insulting idea, it an insult to an intelligent person. We posses the truth, so once you have the truth why would you even entertain foolish notions like that pathetic lie.

Definite Poe

 

[doubtingmerle]

Only a genuine fool would deny that everything was created. Only a genuine fool would swallow that pathetic idea that everything came form nothing

Suppose someone thought everything came from infinite quantum affects. Would he also be a genuine fool?