The secular rock scene; How bad has it gotten?

[NightEternal]

I have made it a point to keep informed and current on what is going on in the secular rock music industry for almost 20 years.

I have hung out with and spoken extensively with the most extreme teens on the fringe of society. I know what they are listening to, and the truth may frighten you.

What bothers me the most today is how completely unaware most adults are concerning how bad things have actually gotten in the secular extreme rock music industry. Completely clueless.

Some may like things this way and want to remain in ignorance regarding this issue. If so, and you are easily disturbed, this thread is not for you. For those who have a burden for the youth out in the world today, and don't want to lose them without a fight, you need to be made aware of what you are dealing with here in some of these bands.

This is what you are up against:

http://www.cannibalcorpse.net/members.php

http://www.dimmu-borgir.com/

http://cradleoffilth.com/biography.html

http://www.deicide.com/

http://www.slipknot-metal.com/main.php?sk=pictures

http://www.myspace.com/marilynmanson

This is only a sample of what is out there.

No longer is it just a gimmick or theater for some of these groups. Marilyn Manson, Deicide and Dimmu Borgir, for example, are full-blown, out and out Satanists. Real, practicing Satanists.

I don't bring this to your attention to disgust you or frighten you, although you will most certainly be both. Awareness is half the battle. This is a war for the very souls of the kids who are out in the world. You would also be suprised how many 'normal' teens like these bands.

You may even know some and not be aware of it.

As you can see, Satan has not spared anything and pulled out all of the stops when it comes to music. We can either sit back and let him corrupt the youth with this filth or fight for them.

I choose to fight for them.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authourities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the Heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

None of this really could surprise me, sadly. I actually know of Cradle of Filth because of friends who like them. To be honest, almost every one of my friends likes at least some of that genre of music. If it's not dark, twisted, violent themes..it's sexuality, lust..or hate and depression. Oh, and the ever popular rebellion most of this poses too.

Now don't get me wrong..music has always been a part of my life. A part of me. I grew up listening to oldies, which tranformed to the Spice Girls and then Classic rock by the time I hit 14. I officially adopted my mom's old records and transported her back in time with Led Zeppelin, Elton John (whom I must admit I do still like, at least you can understand him when he sings, as opposed to so much else out there today), etc. I even went to see Alice Cooper in concert last year. Now, his music is disturbed if you're familiar with his stage show.

I never did get into heavy rock or metal or anything, though. If it didn't sound like music or consisted of mostly screaming, I tended to turn away. Luckily that saved me from most of the disturbing themes..although not the sex side of things.

I think it's sad. You look at what came out in the 60's and 50's (one of the only genres I still enjoy apart from Christian music). Even the Beatles' "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". The innocence that was still around back then, compared to now! If a song comes out like that in this day and age it's considered child music. Same goes for movies too.

I don't think a lot of parents are aware, like you said..but I think even more just aren't bothered to an extent. Their kids aren't exactly going to listen nowadays if you tell them not to have a album in the household. They can just go download it online. Or listen when out of the house or whatever. And get angry with their parents, too. It's so part of the "scene" that it's hard to explain to people who enjoy it what harm it can do to them.

Same with violent video games. How many times I've seen gamers go for the idea that "It's just a game. I'm not going to go out and kill someone because I do in a game". And as true as that might be, you are still taking pleasure in violence and it plays on one's subconcious. Music is the same way.

Actually, I had a really..sudden awakening to certain music awhile back. I've heard the message about secular stuff and even Christian rock and such, and I did tone down (mostly just because God's Spirit within me cannot stand it anymore) the subject matter. But I caught myself waking up with a song on my mind. Not neccisarily anything bad inthe lyrics..but regardless, it was just there on it's own. I'd try to study and it was stuck there. It somehow clicked then the rate of brainwashing I was doing to myself with this music. It's working behind the scenes even when I'm not aware! It really scared me, and I'm a lot more..cautious when listening to music of any kind now. I have a hard enough time keeping my thoughts in check without that.

I could go on forever about this, really. *lol*

Blessings and Love,
Sarah

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Oh..and I bet you most parents would have a heart attack if they saw some of the lyrics my friends have shown me in the past. About murder or rape or other very serious violent subjects. In great detail, too. Stuff that wouldn't make it on the radio..but makes it into teens cd collections. *shudder*

 

[TrustAndObey]

Sad to say, some of those links bring back memories of when my husband was in an industrial band (drummer).

Two of the members split off and are now in another band www.filthindustry.com

I gotta say, a lot of it IS gimmick. These guys would sing lyrics that were pretty bad (and I had a small child I had to protect from that), and then come up from practice and ask for lasagne with puppy dog faces.

The guitar player is pretty intimidating, but it just so happened that he was the biggest teddy bear ever born.

I do have to say that when I'd go to their shows, there were definitely things I wish I didn't have burned in my memory. But imagine drug-free me (my husband has NEVER done drugs either) bouncing around trying to look goth (with blonde hair no less).......

I was a total fish out of water.

I was glad when my hubby decided he didn't want to do it anymore.

Here's a pic from when he was in the band:

Gimmick I tell ya! He worked at the Department of Defense at the time.

 

[Mankin]

Most of those artists have the Parental Advisory sticker on it too. There are still some good rock bands that are not too bad. Some examples are Three Days Grace, Rise Against, Billy Talent, All American Rejects, Daughtry, and a bunch of others. Sure there are bad bands out there, but there are good bands too.

 

[TrustAndObey]

True story....

One night before one of their shows, all of us were loading up the band equipment, and two neighbor kids came over on their Big Wheels.

Keep in mind we were all dressed in black, tons of eyeliner, etc, and one of the kids said "we really can't talk to you because you worship the devil, but my mom wanted to know if she could borrow a cup of sugar."

 

[NightEternal]

For those of us who are aware of what's out there, it's business as usual. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of a middle-aged adult who thinks the worst thing going is Motley Crue. It is devastating for them to know thier kids are listening to this garbage. Some even break down in tears and blame themselves, wondering where they went wrong.

Yes, it is a gimmick for most groups. That is certainly bad enough. However, it is becoming more and more common for groups that are actual Satanists to break into the extreme music industry in a major way.

Take the band Behemoth for example:

http://www.behemoth.pl/index.php?src=start

Yes, that is a Bible he is holding with LIES written on it in blood.

Real Satanists, not actors. They hold black mass rituals at thier recording sessions and ask the kids to accept Satan at thier concerts.

And they are selling out venues all over Europe and North America.

This is serious stuff. Very serious.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I don't mean to discount the message you're trying to get across Night.

Seriously.

My 16-year-old 2nd cousin just overdosed on drugs. He was in a band that talked about stripping flesh off people and murder for money.

It is really scary and even if most of it were gimmick, the kids listening to it don't see it that way at all.

 

[Mankin]

Yes there are some bands that are Satanists. Not all are though.

 

[Sunrunner]

Marilyn Manson, Deicide and Dimmu Borgir, for example, are full-blown, out and out Satanists. Real, practicing Satanists.

Theistic or LeVeyan? There's a huge difference as the former worships a malevolent spirit being and the latter doesn't worship anything and believes Satan is a fairytale.

 

[NightEternal]

So how can we help these kids? What are these disgusting bands offering them that they don't seem to be getting from thier families, friends, loved ones, etc.?

When I was a teen in the 80's, I used to listen to Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Skid Row, Slaughter, W.A.S.P. and Judas Priest to escape from reality. Even as bad as some of the lyrical content got with those bands, it was pretty tame compared to these groups. Slayer was about the most evil thing around at that time, and I knew enough to stay away from them.

It's a complex, tough situation that I don't have the answers for. I guess all I can do is just show these kids I care and that I understand the lonliness and anger they feel. I went through it as well as a youth.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Night, have you heard of kids being called "emo"?

 

[TrustAndObey]

This is a little off-topic, BUT I found my stepdaughter's MySpace page not too long ago.

Due to several circumstances (her mother is PSYCHO), I haven't been able to see her in almost 6 years (her dad either).

Oh my goodness.....all I can say is that she is into ALL KINDS OF CRAZY stuff and she's just 15.

I do understand why she is so confused and crying out for help the way she is. She wants attention and she doesn't care what KIND of attention it is.

She has a very foul mouth, she has pornographic anime that you can play right from her page, she talks about being bi-sexual, and she has a list of songs on there from the bands you mentioned in the OP Night.

She has had a VERY rough life and when her dad (my husband) tried to rescue her from her home life, it totally turned our whole world upside down.

I tried to contact her but she's very stand-offish right now.

She's in my prayers every night, but as far as trying to mentor her like I used to, it's impossible now.

I'm hoping when she turns 18 that she'll call one of us and let us take her in.

 

[NightEternal]

Yes, I am familiar with the emo genre.

I know quite a few kids who love AFI and My Chemical Romance.

 

[TrustAndObey]

PS...she also says on her MySpace page that she's an atheist now.

My son goes to school with a lot of "emo" kids. It's usually kids that have a very bad home life -OR- kids that like the look.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

So how can we help these kids? What are these disgusting bands offering them that they don't seem to be getting from thier families, friends, loved ones, etc.?

When I was a teen in the 80's, I used to listen to Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Skid Row, Slaughter, W.A.S.P. and Judas Priest to escape from reality. Even as bad as some of the lyrical content got with those bands, it was pretty tame compared to these groups. Slayer was about the most evil thing around at that time, and I knew enough to stay away from them.

It's a complex, tough situation that I don't have the answers for. I guess all I can do is just show these kids I care and that I understand the lonliness and anger they feel. I went through it as well as a youth.

As sad as it is, most like this stuff simply because it's fun an cool to them. It's sort of part of being a teen to most nowadays.

Although I was never into that level of stuff..I enjoyed music as an escape too. It was my venting. I could turn something on that had a good power to it (Guns n Roses was one of my favs for this) and just release everything. I was a very laid back and easy going person because I put all my frustrations into music. Not the best way, but it did work before I found God the way I did.

I'd say just be a support for them if they ask for help. Otherwise you'll just get the rebel treatment. Be their friend first, and be a good example. That's pretty much the most effective way I've seen.

This is a little off-topic, BUT I found my stepdaughter's MySpace page not too long ago.

Due to several circumstances (her mother is PSYCHO), I haven't been able to see her in almost 6 years (her dad either).

Oh my goodness.....all I can say is that she is into ALL KINDS OF CRAZY stuff and she's just 15.

I do understand why she is so confused and crying out for help the way she is. She wants attention and she doesn't care what KIND of attention it is.

She has a very foul mouth, she has pornographic anime that you can play right from her page, she talks about being bi-sexual, and she has a list of songs on there from the bands you mentioned in the OP Night.

She has had a VERY rough life and when her dad (my husband) tried to rescue her from her home life, it totally turned our whole world upside down.

I tried to contact her but she's very stand-offish right now.

She's in my prayers every night, but as far as trying to mentor her like I used to, it's impossible now.

I'm hoping when she turns 18 that she'll call one of us and let us take her in.

PS...she also says on her MySpace page that she's an atheist now.

My son goes to school with a lot of "emo" kids. It's usually kids that have a very bad home life -OR- kids that like the look.

I think you just described so many of my friends in a heartbeat. Although it's not always due to a rough life, as much as it's just "cool" and "fun"..like I mentioned above. All of this stuff is the in thing right now, and there's very little negativity. I've discussed with my mom several times how different it was for her. Kids were afraid of punishment if they lashed out or misbehaved. THere was disipline and morals. Today's morals are very..different. Looser.

To share something with you guys..something I've been struggling with for awhile now.

I often feel like no one will like me anymore, because of the "good girl" that I am. I don't want to party, drink, smoke, do drugs, dress sexy (anymore), have sex before marriage..or even in most cases 'joke' about a lot of these things. Although drinking, drugs, and partying was never really part of what I considered fun (I thank homeschooling for that) I was still more of a typical teen in many other ways before, and had I met who I am now..I woulda turned my back on me. If that makes sense.

As I started to become closer to God and I began to change, I suddenly had very little in common with my friends and most others I was meeting. Including the fact most of them are not interested in Christianity, or at least not more than recreational. I actually started feeling ashamed of this...trying to hide it from others and be my old self. Not to mention a fear of meeting new people because I automatically feel like they won't like me because I'm "boring". I've had a crush on this guy that works in a store near me for awhile now, and can't work up the guts to even talk to him beyond customer stuff because I'm so certain that he'd only be interested in what all the other girls are now.

It's hard, and I'm slowly trying to work on it. Society is so one sided right now, and it's on the wrong side sadly. I'm far out numbered, really. I'm even nervous about an old bf/now very close friend from England who wants to come visit and or live out here with us. This is not at all the girl he came to love back then, and I doubt the true me is what he'd expect.

Anyway, I'm rambling now. *lol* Point being..it's very hard to break the mold and feel happy with it nowadays. That's what all of this is. It's the mold. To let go of the world is as hard as ever.

Blessings and love,
Sarah

 

[NightEternal]

she talks about being bi-sexual

Bi-sexual. At 15.

Dear Lord.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

15's actually sort of late. It's "cool" to be having sex at 12-14 now, depending on the crowd you're in. I've seen bi hit kids around those ages in most cases.

 

[Rawben]

well

if contemporary christian music wasnt so boring and dull for the youth scene

we wouldnt be listening to explicit rock

 

[Chadocat]

When I was in High School (late 70's early 80's) I went to a church that was very involved in it's youth. It was great because they showed us we could have fun and have a little of that teen "wildness" and keep it clean and Christian. More churches need to be that way today. However one area I disagreed was their stance on our music. YES, I agree a lot of it was inspired by demons and I wouldn't listen to groups like Ozzie Osborne, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and the the like but they even opposed Abba, Phil Collins and even the Carpenters. It was like anything more modern than Glenn Miller was evil. Anyway, teenagers are always peculiar I guess but this generation really makes me wonder. It really surprised me what IntoTheCrimsonSky said. I thought more teens were celebit these days. In my day it was BAD! but we didn't have AIDS and HIV then or didn't know about it.