The Second Amendment

[disciple Clint]

Philandro Castile would like to object.

To every rule there is an exception, most of us do not major in focusing on the rare exceptions. This comment is in no way failing to consider the value of Mr Castile's life, he was a victim, nothing is ever going to be perfect. I feel bad for his family and everyone that event touched.

 

[disciple Clint]

Do you really believe that justice always prevails? That what is was meant to be?

I believe that the court had the facts and did not try to make an uninformed decision like so many people seem eager to do in these cases. Their minds are made up they do not want to be confused by considering the facts.

 

[disciple Clint]

Do tell.

Shooting of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

an inexperienced officer reacted improperly, frankly if I had been his FTO I would have put his gun is a place where it would have been real uncomfortable for him. He pointed his gun at his FTO when he decided to shoot past him. The term flat out stupid, dangerous, and unjustified fails to adequately describe his actions.

 

[Gene2memE]

My knife just is not sharp enough to split that hair.

The you don't understand the subject matter. The distinction between guilty and not-guilty is not the same at the distinction between guilty and innocent.

Suppose a murder trial defendant is found not guilty of a murder. Then fresh evidence pops up years later and the same person admits to the killing. A retrial finds them guilty.

Was that person innocent under the original decision? Or were they just not-guilty?

 

[Belk]

an inexperienced officer reacted improperly, frankly if I had been his FTO I would have put his gun is a place where it would have been real uncomfortable for him. He pointed his gun at his FTO when he decided to shoot past him. The term flat out stupid, dangerous, and unjustified fails to adequately describe his actions.

Agreed. Let me be clear, I work with a lot of officers and many of them are fine men and women. A few are jerks and a couple are dangerous. The issue I have with them is the issue I have with some other civil servants I work with. It takes an act of congress to get rid of the bad apples.

 

[Gene2memE]

Sure it can be improved, I like trial by ordeal.

Wha? As in torturing someone or deliberately injuring them with the expectation of Divine intervention to demonstrate innocence? That sort of trial by ordeal?

Were you hoping to bring back other Germanic legal structures from the 6th century as well? Perhaps reinstate the monarchy, or bring back severing off body parts for various crimes?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Suppose a murder trial defendant is found not guilty of a murder. Then fresh evidence pops up years later and the same person admits to the killing. A retrial finds them guilty.

That would be double jeopardy. A Person can’t be tried twice for the same crime.

 

[morningstar2651]

That figure has nothing to do with what we are talking about, it is like blaming the officer who kept a girl from being killed by killing the assaulter. Police do need to use deadly force to save the innocent.

What kind of force should a police officer use against an unarmed person if they believe that person has a gun? Should they shoot and kill unarmed people?

This isn't a hard question.

 

[morningstar2651]

False starting point. They can shoot someone because they had a gun or because they had intent to commit a crime with the gun?
When does a P.O. shoot as someone just for possession?

Let's say the criminal was speeding and had a gun. Does the cop get to kill them then?

 

[disciple Clint]

What kind of force should a police officer use against an unarmed person if they believe that person has a gun? Should they shoot and kill unarmed people?

This isn't a hard question.

It is a very hard question because the person is either armed and presents a threat to the officer or he is not. That in fact is the key question.

 

[morningstar2651]

Synonyms, yes. But not identical.

I can be found not guilty of a crime for all sorts of reasons. That doesn't mean that if I'm found 'not guilty', I'm actually innocent.

Reminder: OJ Simpson was Not Guilty, but he certainly was also not Innocent.

 

[morningstar2651]

It is a very hard question because the person is either armed and presents a threat to the officer or he is not. That in fact is the key question.

Should cops shoot people for having guns? Yes, or no?

 

[morningstar2651]

My knife just is not sharp enough to split that hair.

Definition of SYNONYMOUS

having the same connotations, implications, or reference​

If you want to discuss criminal law, but you prefer colloquial English over legal definitions, then you're not going to be speaking the same language as everyone else.

 

[disciple Clint]

Should cops shoot people for having guns? Yes, or no?

it depends on what they are doing with the gun.

 

[Always in His Presence]

If you want to discuss criminal law, but you prefer colloquial English over legal definitions, then you're not going to be speaking the same language as everyone else.

My definitions were from a law dictionary.

 

[morningstar2651]

it depends on what they are doing with the gun.

Okay.

Now, what if they don't have a gun, but the cop BELIEVES they have a gun. Should cops shoot unarmed people? Yes or no?

EDIT: This is an easy question.

NOBODY SHOULD SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE.

 

[disciple Clint]

Okay.

Now, what if they don't have a gun, but the cop BELIEVES they have a gun. Should cops shoot unarmed people? Yes or no?

EDIT: This is an easy question.

NOBODY SHOULD SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE.

It is not an easy question, it is a question intended to entrap. An officer is authorized to use deadly force to prevent the grievous injury or death of a person including the officer, which the officer has reasonable belief would occur if the officer failed to act.

 

[morningstar2651]

It is not an easy question, it is a question intended to entrap. An officer is authorized to use deadly force to prevent the grievous injury or death of a person including the officer, which the officer has reasonable belief would occur if the officer failed to act.

It's not a trick question. NOBODY SHOULD SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE.

 

[disciple Clint]

It's not a trick question. NOBODY SHOULD SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE.

What is your definition of "unarmed people"?

 

[morningstar2651]

What is your definition of "unarmed people"?

It depends on what your definition of "is" is.