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Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence
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Nietzsche's doctrine of eternal recurrence may have a basis in science.

If time really is cyclical, and if we are all bound to experience our lifetimes over and over again for eternity, then it would make sense that the universe was bound for the same fate – that eventually the Big Bang would repeat itself. The Big Crunch is one possible scenario for the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the metric expansion of space eventually reverses and the universe recollapses, ultimately ending as a black hole singularity. The universe will collapse in onto itself until eventually one day, billions and billions of years into the future, everything that ever was will be compressed into the tiniest spark. But just as great forests grow from the tiniest of seeds, so to will the universe once again spring into life from the one tiny spark.
Words of Truth: Big Bang, Big Crunch and Nietzsche’s Eternal Return.

Controversial theoretical physicist Peter Lynds suggested a model of eternal recurrence in a 2006 paper.[14] Lynds hypothesizes that if the universe undergoes a big crunch, the arrow of time may reverse. Others have approached the question of eternal recurrence from a physics perspective in different ways, including a hypothesis based on the transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics.[15] Other cosmologists such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Max Tegmark consider the possibility that the known universe is just one of many in a multiverse, presenting the argument that existences identical to our own recur infinitely over infinite space.[16]
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On a finite universe with no beginning or end
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[physics/0612053] On a finite universe with no beginning or end

If you were destined to live the exact same life an infinite number of times, how would you choose to live in the here and now? Eternal recurrence in this world might be a better motivator for meaningful living than belief in a heaven to escape this world.
 
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It certainly is interesting...The universe has two options..to collapse in on itself or to expand to the point where it gets cold and without light,the so called "cosmic dark ages".
IF in the far future, I live my life over again exactly the way my life is now, I would be content..but, I'd like to think that there could be a couple of changes..nothing drastic.
 
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It's not terrifying to me...next go around, I would have no memories of this time around.
I would choose to live my life as I am now...to the fullest, and best of my abilities.:cool:
 
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Surly it would only be of interest if we knew it was happening? failing that it's just another unfulfillable idea which is without consequence.

If I have had fifty lifetimes before this one but I know nothing about them what difference do they make? one, fifty or none are all meaningless, nice to chat about over a drink but that's all.
 
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It's not terrifying to me...next go around, I would have no memories of this time around.
I would choose to live my life as I am now...to the fullest, and best of my abilities.:cool:

The idea of eternal recurrence of the same is that you wouldn't be aware of it.
 
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I never walk into this forum, and what thread do I see first after randomly doing so after a few years?

Great stuff.

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Eternal recurrence is not a doctrine I'd believe because I'd want it to be true. The very idea of being trapped in the self-same life for eternity is terrifying. The point is that, if it were true, how would you choose to live?

I have qualms with the theory, although I find fascination with its essence. If we take Niezsche's reasoning in a broader sense, not only does this life as I know it eternally recur, but all possible lives that I haven't lived in the past or could live in the future, including other lives that captured "me" according to the materialistic formula of my human existence as a collection of atoms. An infinite number of possibilities includes not only fulfilling each and every astronomical possibility according to me as a specific set of atoms, but also each and every possible modification of me according to different atom collections: from the current me (witty, left-handed, hard headed, colorblind, shrink, etc.) to me version 1 (MV1: witty, *right*-handed, hard headed, colorblind, shrink), to MV2 (witty, *right*-handed, hard headed, colorblind, accountant), to MV252365429813 (dull, right-handed, impressionable, non-colorblind, basketball pro, country music listener, etc.).

The ER really loses its sting if this reasoning is valid.
 
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The whole idea is that in a finite universe with no beginning and end, if the cycle were to start over after a big crunch, it would follow the same chain of cause and effect, and thus all our lives would repeat exactly the same.
Perhaps it did happen and I've just forgotten?

This theory is as bad as "Fate", if fate is what is going to happen no matter what why even bother to have a word for it? fate has no effect on anyone or anything therefore does not exist, also the word fate can not be used in isolation it must be added to words like "destiny" which is another useless word, or perhaps I should say they are poetic words.
 
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Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence
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On a finite universe with no beginning or end
Peter Lynds
[physics/0612053] On a finite universe with no beginning or end

If you were destined to live the exact same life an infinite number of times, how would you choose to live in the here and now? Eternal recurrence in this world might be a better motivator for meaningful living than belief in a heaven to escape this world.

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jesus is real and i was just saved on dec 30th 2017 - in a sort of xmas miricle: however im experiencing eternal recurance !!!! im literally stuck in a loop replaying the same period over and over again- im currently on my third recurrance ! (its called pergatory).

each time i do better and more possitive things and my entire focus is on connecting w god (who prior to this i had no connection because i walked away from the church when i was 17. im 37 and im back now bc i finally get it after having a near death experience, god gave me a second and now third try and ive been using my chances to get closer to god, connect w my wife spiritually and emotionally, and spend time with my two young boys. im playing with them imm truely playing w my boys before the events of the last two weeks occured i was a godless, self absorbed, pain in the ass who attacked everyone emotionally and verbally and took took took, never gave anything. it was all about me. and with these new chances thats what ive been chnaging.

the problem is even with all these chnages in my life, i cant get out of the loop (which means ive yet to truely change my ways, so this 3rd round im teying my hardest and this time i think ive done it- ive truely accepted god and become christian instead of last time doing all the steps jist to rid the demon from my house- this time im changing who i am for my kids, wife and myself).

. im afraid the looping is a signal that i die very soon because once i hit the end of this weekend i cant remember anything further. so what is causing the loop. and how far back and i reliving? ive looked for clues...it seems to have all started looping around the near death experience. i was literally at a cross in a road (i could have gone right left straight or back). i chose straight and good thing bc i was experiencing a full palasis where my face aNd entiee body tensed up and i couldnt move or talk- the EMTs at rhe fire station i drove to said i needed to go to the hospital asap. i gave up control and let me wife take me to the hopsital where i was diagnosed w rhabdo- kidney issues could have issues had i not went in.

if i decied to go right at the intersection id have seized up while driving and died right then and there in a car accident as this stretch of road has steep banks and nowhere to turn off !!! why does this specific line of evens keep happening...it actually seems to back further and restart everytime but im only becoming aware of these recurring events after i leave the hospital the next day. and it only comes back in small doses- at first i thaught i was recounting a dream but then realized its not a dream its me reliving these same moments over and over. w the first time (1st life) i lived it i lost my family and my wife moved back n w her folks and the kids after i lost my job for some reason !!!

so then on round two (second life) of living this time line i took actions to avoid loosing my job. realizing this is what let me to the actions that caused all the events including the near death experience !!!! the hospital visit, the finding god and reaffirming my christian values aNd former self (when i was 17).

so what happened was i decided to go on a fast (no food) that then leads me to clarity of mind and body (i gave up alcohol, cigars, porn, caffine and all unpure things)...this is what allows me to be sets me free...i broke my fast on xmas day.

my son tips me off to where the demon was hiding in my house (he lives outside the body to gain more power and become stronger.) my son 3 yr old tells me what scares him and i finally listen. i take the painting off the walla and break it in two and throw it away. that angers the demon spirit and he tries to kill me in a car accident after i ingest an energy drink w cafffine and other [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in it. he uses this fleeting bit of power to try and kill me in a car accident to steal my soul before god can come back into my life.

going to the hospital buys me more time away from the demons fleeting control - while in the hospital the docs hook me up to an iv and hydrate me and tell me i have rhabdo and that its life threatening and i need to stay overnight. i do and they pump the caffine outta me w fluids and time. i return home after having discovered the soul game that is being played on this earth and discovering i almost died but bc i was at a cross in a road and gave yp control that im still alive today.

i then discover that my choice of the fast allowed me to see everything clearly and that id been beeing controlled by a demon for 9 yrs and that i was finally free. as soon as i was free i could now connect w god and my wife and my kids !!!

on my return from the hospital i was in a weak state and the demon could not hurt me but he could read my mind searching for clues as to what had happened, how had he been tricked out of my soul !!!

i tried to resist but he kept combing through my mind. we left the house withing 2 hrs of being home and headed off on a four day long voyage during the new year holiday.

this is when i officially connect w god dec 30 2017 and accept christ into my life. and this is when u start realizing this has all already hapened before (during the second life, which i had initially thaught was a dream). as events start to repeat i begin testing my theory and trying to alter little events. im sucessful at hanging events but it takes a lot a lot a lot if effort- most things keep happenihg the same.

as i move further through the holiday i begin living a cleaner and more godly life and try to cleanup my entire act and make sure my soul is ready for god. i also begin realizing i have a definite end point to my recollection of the future events with then all winding down after i return back to work on monday or wednesday the following week.

i initially was fearful that maybe this is a signifier that i was going to die soon. but now i believe once work starts back up i go back to being stressed and restart my old life the same as before and forget about this entire situation once i begin consuming caffine and or alcohol again!!!! evidently i never follow through w my plan to read the bible and never go to church again, and never go to heaven w those actions. so i get stuck in this pergatory hell of reliving.

so here is my plan moving forward - i wont drink a drop of alcohol or and no caffine, no tylenol or caught meds...nada and ill pray and ill stay true to god. to do this im gonna read the bible nightly w my wife and ill stay strong and try to keep living aware to avoid falling into my old ways and recatchup w the life as previously sceheduled.

if i can stay strong and not take any meds or anything my memory of these evnts will be able to further and further- and maybe next time when i go through all this ill be able to remember further into my new life so i wont be so afraid and ill be able to further w changing corse !!!

holly crap i think i just solved it !!! guys eternal looping is happening its called pergatory. go on a fast - get off all substances and see for yourself if u can pop out of the regularly scheduled life and see ur way out.

ps while in the hopsital inwrote the following.

"a third chance at sobriety - a christmas miricle 2017- the demon and me"


id like to thank my grandma (my guardian angel), my supportive understanding parents, my patient and supportive wife, my kids (peter ur a little angel and so brave, ill never be mean or hurt you again), baby liam for giving me a long term goal of sobriety and focus, and god for giving me the opportunity to be here today. without all of your love, support, your understanding and the use of each of your special gifts to help protect me and deliver me frim evil, yet again. without each of you this story would never have been writen and I wouldnt be the man i am here today, if here at all.


the plot of the story involves many actors both villanous and saintly, its a story as old as time waged over an entire family and each of their souls...many battles were faught, lost, and won. there is a prequil to the saga involving those in my family before me - true marters who struggled with their own demons; however, those are a story for another day - hint hint it is my fathers story to tell (ive got a draft of it in my safe at home).

my ememy shifted shape many times and changed weapons just as many times with stress, ignorance, disbelief, fear, vanity, greed, pornography as her strongest weapons.

the path of my life, my family, savi and peter and my newborn child is all at stake.

my battles took place over 20 years (beginning in undergrad, gradschool, post gradschool w my 1st professional job and my 2nd professional job), and finailly culminated in 2017

as a writter i sit here in the hospital trying to figure out the ending to the story. was the true gift merely figuring all this stuff out before i died so i can go to heaven or is this truely a new chance at life. i hope i can live a long healthy prosperous family life from this point forward and see my kids growup and grow old w my wife... it seems it can go any way at this point.
 
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jesus is real and i was just saved on dec 30th 2017 - in a sort of xmas miricle: however im experiencing eternal recurance !!!! im literally stuck in a loop replaying the same period over and over again- im currently on my third recurrance ! each time i do better and more possitive things and my entire focus is on connecting w god (who prior to this i had no connection because i walked away from the church when i was 17. im 37 and im back now bc i finally get it after having a near death experience, god gave me a second and now third try and ive been using my chances to get closer to god, connect w my wife spiritually and emotionally, and spend time with my two young boys. im playing with them imm truely playing w my boys before the events of the last two weeks occured i was a godless, self absorbed, pain in the ass who attacked everyone emotionally and verbally and took took took, never gave anything. it was all about me. and with these new chances thats what ive been chnaging.

the problem is even with all these chnages in my life, i cant get out of the loop. im afraid the looping is a signal that i die very soon because once i hit the end of this weekend i cant remember anything further. so what is causing the loop. and how far back and i reliving? ive looked for clues...it seems to have all started looping around the near death experience. i was literally at a cross in a road (i could have gone right left straight or back). i chose straight and good thing bc i was experiencing a full palasis where my face Nd entiee body tensed up and i couldnt move or talk- the emts said i needed togk to the hospital asap and i gave up control and let me wife take me to the hopsital where i was diagnosed w rhabdo- kidney issues could have inues had i not went in. if i deciddd to go right at the intersection id have seized up while driving and died right then and there in a car accident as this stretch of road has steep banks and nowhere to turk off !!! why does this specific line of evens keep happening...it actually seems to back further and restart everytime but im only becoming aware of these recurring events after i leave the hospital the next day. and it only comes back in small doses- at first i thaught inwas recounting. dream but then realized its not a dream its me reliving these same moments over and over. w the first time i lived it i lost my family and my wife moved back n w her folks and the kids after i lost my job !!! so then on round two of living this time line i took actions to avoid loosing my job bc i had this “memory/premanition” it would happen. realizing rhis is what let me to the actions that caused all the events including the near death experience !!!! the hospital visit, the finding god and reaffirming my christian values aNd former self. so what happened was i deciddd to take off 3 days from work, if i went to work on wed id have been fired that day and then id have lost everything. w my family being the main focus. so instead by taking thise days kff i avoiding being fired and then went in a 6 day fast (no food, just water). that then leads me to clarity of mind and body (completely off all drugs and unpure things)...this is what sets me free, i then decide to break my fast on xmas day. my son tips me off to where the demon was hiding in my house (he lives outside the body to gain more power and become stronger.) my son 3 yr old tells me what scares him and i finally listen. i take the painting off the walla and break it in two and throw it away. that angers the demon spirit and he tries to kill me in a car accident after i ingest an energy drink w cafffine and other [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in it. he uses this fleeting bit of power to try and kill me in a car accident to steal my soul before god can come back into my life. going to the hospital buys me more time away from the demons fleeting control - while in the hospital the docs hook me up to an iv and hydrate me and tell me i have rhabdo and that its life threatening and i need to stay overnight. i do and they pump the caffine outta me w fluids and time. i return home after having discovered the soul game that is being played and discovering i almost died but bc i was at a cross in a road and gave yp contrrol that im still alive today.

i then discover that my choices of the fast allowed me to see everything and that id been beeing controlled by a demon for 9 yrs and that i was finally free. as soon as i was free i could now connect w god and my wife and my kids !!!

on my return from the hospital inwas weak and the demon read my mind searching for clues as to what had happened, how had he been tricked out of my soul !!! i tried to resist but he kept combing through my mind. we left the house withing 2 hrs of being home and headed off on a four day long voyage during the new uears holiday. this is when i officially connect w god dec 30 2017 and accept christ into my life. and this is when u start realizing this has all already hapened before (during the second life, which i had initially thaught was a dream). as events start to repeat i begin testing my theory and trying to alter little events. im sucessful but it takes a lot a lot a lot if effort- most things keep happenihg the same. as i move further through the holiday i begin living a cleaner and more godly life and try to cleanup my entire act and make sure my slul is ready for god. i also begin realizing i have a definite end point to my recollection of the future events with then all winding down after i return back to work on monday and the following week.

im fearful that maybe this is a signifier that i am going to die soon. or maybe once work starts back up i go back to being stressed and restart my old life the same as before and forget about this entire situation once i begin consuming caffine and or alcohol again!!!! so here is my plan moving forward - i wont drink a drop and no caffine and nothing, and ill pray every night w my wife and ill stay strong and try to keep living aware to avoid falling into my old ways and recatchup w the life as previously sceheduled. if i can stay strong and not take any meds or anything my memory of these evnts will be able to further and further- and maybe next time when i go through all this ill be able to remember further into my life !!!

holly crap i think i just solved it !!! guys eternal looping is happening. go on a fast - get off all substances and see for yourself.

ps while in the hopsital inwrote the following.

"a third chance at sobriety - a christmas miricle 2017- the demon and me"


id like to thank my grandma (my guardian angel), my supportive understanding parents, my patient and supportive wife, my kids (peter ur a little angel and so brave, ill never be mean or hurt you again), baby liam for giving me a long term goal of sobriety and focus, and god for giving me the opportunity to be here today. without all of your love, support, your understanding and the use of each of your special gifts to help protect me and deliver me frim evil, yet again. without each of you this story would never have been wrotten and I wouldnt be the man i am here today, if here at all.


the plot of the story involves many actors both villanous and saintly, its a story as old as time waged over an entire family and each of their souls...many battles were faught, lost, and won. there is a prequil to the saga involving those in my family before me - true marters who struggled with their own demons; however, those are a story for another day - hint hint it is my fathers story to tell (ive got a draft of it in my safe at home).


my ememy shifted shape many times and changed weapons just as many times with stress, ignorance and disbelief, fear, vanity, alcohol, weed, amphetamines, pornography as her strongest weapons.

the path of my life, my family, savi and peter and my newborn child is all at stake.

my battles took place over 17 years (beginning in undergrad, gradschool, post gradschool w my 1st professional job and my 2nd professional job), and finailly culminated in 2017 with the promise of a big test, my own vanity and strong will, a lot of trickery, hard work, dedication, along with a lot of luck !!!!

as a writter i sit here in the hospital trying to figure out the ending to the story. was the true gift merely figuring all this stuff out before i died so i can go to heaven or is this truely a new chance at life. i hope i can live a long healthy prosperous family life from this point forward. it seems it can go any way at this point.
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it is may 27th 2018 and im still alive !!!! i truely thaught i was a gonner. regRdless ive been on this amazing voyage w the holy spirit since i last posted...being guided by visions of my old life and poor choices which broke my family up at least 3 diff times.

w the holly spirit ive avoided an affair, a loss of employment, loss of friendships, seen my brothers death and seen him avoid that death to be able to find christ before his numbers up again, seen myself walk away from christs teachings mid stream...why?

why is the holy spirit showing me these past future lives ive lived in this same time ? why can i remember these things? i do not know but i feel it has something to do w a choice ill have to make when i die: “are u ready to be judged or would u like to live it all over again and try to live a holy life?”. as the chicken [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] i am i have no doubt i always feel i can do it better and request to do it again. which is rediculous and soo dumb- nothing i can do will save me, faith in jesus and his death on the cross paid for my sins, without jesus i loose everytime, sure i try to walk a holy life and let the light shine through me but without christ i always go to hell bc im human and cannot keep the ten commandments but through his blood i am paid for. thus when im asked the questiom again, am i ready to be judged, ill say through jesus christ i am ready - in his name i pray. i wont request to do it again.

of course as james said faith is dead without works but as paul taught, all u need is faith, works cannot save but through true faith works will naturally be ur fruit. thus everything starts w grace from god then faith in him and through that faith comes pure works of love for god and ur neighbor as urself.

wish me well- the furthest ive seen into the future is four more years, as my oldest child is 8 and my youngest 5.

also, something keeps pushing me to understand the cosmos, time space, the universe, galaxies and the light of stars...i feel as though the heavens are truely in the stars and the wonders of god and his son are in the heavens. our perspective and time and space must somehow be linked to the lord and id be a fool to believe that god wasnt real w all this miricle ive been given. something is drawing me to the cosmos and i believe its the same something that drew me to the bible - the holy spirit.

anyways enough yaping. eternal recurrence is real and god can do whatever he wants he controls all, even ur own perception u must choose what to believe for all we have are choices. amen !!!
 
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If you were destined to live the exact same life an infinite number of times, how would you choose to live in the here and now? Eternal recurrence in this world might be a better motivator for meaningful living than belief in a heaven to escape this world.

Is that a nonsensical idea? Pretty bad.
 
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The whole idea is that in a finite universe with no beginning and end, if the cycle were to start over after a big crunch, it would follow the same chain of cause and effect, and thus all our lives would repeat exactly the same.
In other words, the universe is like having a debate with xianghua?
 
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to think that u wouldnt remember the other lives u lived would eliminate the souls growth opportunities.

you def remember the other lifetimes and big choices you make in the form of dejavu, dreams, gut feelings, and intuition !!!! these are the tools our souls have to highlight major lifeshifting choices.

ur soul has a memory and when ur about to embark on a major choice w weight consequences in the timeline of your life everything feels elevated or heighthened and more focused.

your soul also maintains a gravity, and the gravity of ur soul has a sort of groove that it typically follows which is based on past choices and your personality. thus most of the choices you make in your life are made without a second thaught. and we each typically make the same choices over and over again. each individuals soul has a general gravity in choices keeps us
in similar situations in each lifetime.

god explained it to me in a dream like this: please put your hands together and turn them so the back of ur left hand is to ur face and when u look at ur hand it appears like u only have five fingers because they are hidding behind the other hand. each finger is a choice in ur lifetime, once u make a choice diff from before move one finger out from behind the other. now it looks as though u have six fingers instead of five. thats a diff choice recognizable from the last life, typically we all make the dame choices day in and day out but when ur souls memory and wrning system kick in ur hieghthened choice making situation (spidey since) kicks in u have another chance to alter ur life.

thats how it works.
 
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