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It says no one knows but the Father, which means no one knows I am not going to continue, so we can agree to disagree. God bless.

I'm trying to help you understand. It says the Father only knows. But you using the verse to apply that nobody can know today. The verse doesn't say that only the Father would ever know. Or that only the Father would know until the 2nd Coming. It doesn't say that. It only means that when the statement was made that only the Father knew.
 
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I'm trying to help you understand. It says the Father only knows. But you using the verse to apply that nobody can know today. The verse doesn't say that only the Father would ever know. Or that only the Father would know until the 2nd Coming. It doesn't say that. It only means that when the statement was made that only the Father knew.
I don't see it that way, so we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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Here is another verse to understand:

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Notice, that those that are not watching, are who Jesus will come to as a thief. And it is those that are not watching which when He comes it will be in an hour they didn't know. So the reflexive is that those who are watching He will not becoming to as a Thief and those they will know what hour He shall come.
 
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I don't see it that way, so we will have to agree to disagree.

What part you having trouble with? The verb? What the Perfect tense means? Narrow down the point of disagreement. Then look deeper into it.
 
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Here is another verse to understand:

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Notice, that those that are not watching, are who Jesus will come to as a thief. And it is those that are not watching which when He comes it will be in an hour they didn't know. So the reflexive is that those who are watching He will not becoming to as a Thief and those they will know what hour He shall come.
If we knew the time and hour Jesus would come, people would do what they wanted until right before the Second Coming and then repent. That's not what Jesus wants or what the scripture says. Be well and God bless.
 
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What part you having trouble with? The verb? What the Perfect tense means? Narrow down the point of disagreement. Then look deeper into it.
I have no problem with the scripture, I just don't buy into your interpretation. The scripture is clear in my opinion, but you are free to believe that you want.
 
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If we knew the time and hour Jesus would come, people would do what they wanted until right before the Second Coming and then repent. That's not what Jesus wants or what the scripture says. Be well and God bless.

Heard that argument before, but they could die before then. So that is not an argument for why it can't be true. Again, the text is the DATA here. We can just go by the scriptures which show we can know and many will know.
 
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Heard that argument before, but they could die before then. So that is not an argument for why it can't be true. Again, the text is the DATA here. We can just go by the scriptures which show we can know and many will know.
I disagree the scriptures say what you think it does, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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I have no problem with the scripture, I just don't buy into your interpretation. The scripture is clear in my opinion, but you are free to believe that you want.

Well this message is really meat and not milk so I understand if your not able to understand it at this time.
 
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Well this message is really meat and not milk so I understand if your not able to understand it at this time.
Now you are trying to be insulting. I understand the scripture, I disagree that it doesn’t mean exactly what it says. I tend not to put my own interpretations on clear scripture. I’m not responding further on this subject. Take care.
 
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Now you are trying to be insulting. I understand the scripture, I disagree that it doesn’t mean exactly what it says. I tend not to put my own interpretations on clear scripture. I’m not responding further on this subject. Take care.

I'm not trying to be insulting but I understand why you may have taken it that way. It really is my thought that this part about understanding the prophecies and end events really is Meat and not Milk no matter who I'm responding to. I don't mean to imply that your not up to the task of understanding it.
 
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There is no scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath.


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)


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I think its best to let scripture answer this question.

which is why I posted lots of scripture

The creation points to God the Creator of all things, but if it points to God we need to obey what God has commanded us to do.

who is the 4th commandment for? who are the 10 commandments for? the 10 are referred to as the "two tables of covenant law" (Ex 31:18). the commandments are made for the [old] covenant so why is it you have taken them verbatim outside of this covenant and into the new? Sentiments like "by the finger of God" make them the tablets important but important for who? You are using this "finger of God" line to mean "transcend the covenant" which is not what it says. Ex 31 is written in an old covenant vacuum and so that which is highly valued in that passage should be seen as highly valued inside that covenant doesn't justify it moving outside the covenant. We already do this when approaching other covenants like the Abrahamic covenant where circumcision is noted as a sign of the everlasting covenant in explicit and direct language yet where is the value for circumcision now?

God is a God of order not disorder and he doesn't arbitrarily renew a law yet not another or arbitrarily pull a law or group of laws out and inject them in another covenant. He will operate purposefully for all things. "finger of God" is not a statement of purpose it is a statement of bias when we use it to pull the laws out and carry them over to the next covenant. This is the same

While you are free to believe what you want, I prefer to obey the Sabbath by the clear instructions we were given by God. Exodus 20:8-11, Leviticus 23:3, Isaiah 58:13

who were the instructions given to? was it not to establish law under the old covenant? so why do you claim it as written for you when other laws you take no such claim?

Agreed, and man cannot change what God has authority over. Once God blesses something man cannot reverse Numbers 23:20

God tells Peter in his dream "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean" (Ac 10:15). Peter was objecting what God had made clean and God was rebuking him over it. You seem to be using an argument that man, a tradition, a church, etc.... has changed these laws. That is not what I am suggesting so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. Of course, this works both ways doesn't it if God has made something clean man cannot undo it. We are both presenting positions that view God as the authority, not man so please don't use the sentiment "you're position is wrong because it is not God's and it is man-made". it is a tired argument that is based on personal bias not to mention insulting. Let's respect each other rather than indirectly call each other names.

The Sabbath commandment does offer spiritual rest in Christ for those who obey the Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath is the door according to scripture to enter into Christs rest. Hebrews 4:9-10. Those who are disobedient do not enter into Christ rest. Hebrews 4:6. Ezekiel 20:13

Heb 4:9-10 speaks of seeking God's rest first and then the rest of works is completed with it but you seem to be reading this backward. It does not speak of the 4th commandment as a door that needs to be opened before you have access to God's rest. v10 is quoted "for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works just as God did from his." The door it presents is opposite to what you suggest, first, you obtain God's rest then you obtain rest from your works, so the door is God's rest to achieve the 4th commandment.

What is rest from works anyways? The 4th commandment is a literal example of the rest, a shadow of the deeper meaning but the deeper meaning is that what we cannot achieve ourselves since God rested first how dare we suggest we can mirror this rest through our carnal actions. We cannot, we can only memorialize it through carnal actions which is what the 4th command is about.

Certainly, God does not need to rest so he is not resting because he worked but he rests for a different reason and one with purpose. the 7th day is a day of completion, God rests because his works are complete. the 7th day is paralleled with before light was spoken as a state of darkness, voids, incompleteness, unformed, etc... then God speaks light and a transformation happens that leads to completion of creation and transformation that can be paralleled with our own salvation experience. It is this completion that invokes the rest not the works itself and this is what the rest is. When we enter God's rest we rest from our works "just as God for his" means we are able to obtain a divine rest that only God can achieve and that rest is a rest that is brought on upon completion. Completion in us is an act only God can do and our "works" cannot achieve by themselves. Hebrews 4:10 has nothing to do with the 4th commandment and it explicitly defines rest from the 7th day so we should be doing the same.

God wrote the Sabbath commandment along with the other nine with His own finger, this is God's authority which supersedes mans. Jesus warns us about placing mans traditions over God's commandments and doing so one worships in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

"finger of God" is not a statement of bias, not a statement of purpose when we use it means it transcends the covenant it was written in. You show me the bias but do not show me the purpose, and the latter is what is needed.

All of the Ten Commandments have a literally meaning that we are to keep and a Spiritual meaning. If one is keeping the Spiritual meaning, the literal will automatically be kept. For example, murder begins in the heart. If we change our evil thoughts to those of love, we will not harm our neighbor so both the Spiritual commandment (no anger in the heart) is kept and the literal commandment (thou shalt not murder). This applies to all of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath.

the entire law points to Christ and is filtered through Christ. When we look at the old covenant nothing should be approached unless it is filtered first through Christ. The meaning of laws like do no murder, steal, adultery are rooted in love. the meaning of the 4th commandment is deeper and is rooted in the divine rest which is brought on from completion. Through God nothing is carnal work and everything is good works. "works" is brought on from the fall and is a metaphor of being a slave to sin but when we are seeking God's rest he conquers sin and we are no longer a slave to sin but a slave to Christ (Rom 7) his rest is what we desire and his rest is obtained by being bound to Christ or as Christ invites to be yoked with him. God has already defeated death and sin and he has already "accomplished". this is the 7th day, we seek his authority over death and sin, we seek his completion in our lives which is his rest, we seek his salvation upon us. This is God's rest and we cannot accomplish this through our carnal actions of one day and those actions certainly are not a door to his rest.
 
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which is why I posted lots of scripture



who is the 4th commandment for? who are the 10 commandments for? the 10 are referred to as the "two tables of covenant law" (Ex 31:18). the commandments are made for the [old] covenant so why is it you have taken them verbatim outside of this covenant and into the new? Sentiments like "by the finger of God" make them the tablets important but important for who? You are using this "finger of God" line to mean "transcend the covenant" which is not what it says. Ex 31 is written in an old covenant vacuum and so that which is highly valued in that passage should be seen as highly valued inside that covenant doesn't justify it moving outside the covenant. We already do this when approaching other covenants like the Abrahamic covenant where circumcision is noted as a sign of the everlasting covenant in explicit and direct language yet where is the value for circumcision now?

God is a God of order not disorder and he doesn't arbitrarily renew a law yet not another or arbitrarily pull a law or group of laws out and inject them in another covenant. He will operate purposefully for all things. "finger of God" is not a statement of purpose it is a statement of bias when we use it to pull the laws out and carry them over to the next covenant. This is the same



who were the instructions given to? was it not to establish law under the old covenant? so why do you claim it as written for you when other laws you take no such claim?



God tells Peter in his dream "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean" (Ac 10:15). Peter was objecting what God had made clean and God was rebuking him over it. You seem to be using an argument that man, a tradition, a church, etc.... has changed these laws. That is not what I am suggesting so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. Of course, this works both ways doesn't it if God has made something clean man cannot undo it. We are both presenting positions that view God as the authority, not man so please don't use the sentiment "you're position is wrong because it is not God's and it is man-made". it is a tired argument that is based on personal bias not to mention insulting. Let's respect each other rather than indirectly call each other names.



Heb 4:9-10 speaks of seeking God's rest first and then the rest of works is completed with it but you seem to be reading this backward. It does not speak of the 4th commandment as a door that needs to be opened before you have access to God's rest. v10 is quoted "for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works just as God did from his." The door it presents is opposite to what you suggest, first, you obtain God's rest then you obtain rest from your works, so the door is God's rest to achieve the 4th commandment.

What is rest from works anyways? The 4th commandment is a literal example of the rest, a shadow of the deeper meaning but the deeper meaning is that what we cannot achieve ourselves since God rested first how dare we suggest we can mirror this rest through our carnal actions. We cannot, we can only memorialize it through carnal actions which is what the 4th command is about.

Certainly, God does not need to rest so he is not resting because he worked but he rests for a different reason and one with purpose. the 7th day is a day of completion, God rests because his works are complete. the 7th day is paralleled with before light was spoken as a state of darkness, voids, incompleteness, unformed, etc... then God speaks light and a transformation happens that leads to completion of creation and transformation that can be paralleled with our own salvation experience. It is this completion that invokes the rest not the works itself and this is what the rest is. When we enter God's rest we rest from our works "just as God for his" means we are able to obtain a divine rest that only God can achieve and that rest is a rest that is brought on upon completion. Completion in us is an act only God can do and our "works" cannot achieve by themselves. Hebrews 4:10 has nothing to do with the 4th commandment and it explicitly defines rest from the 7th day so we should be doing the same.



"finger of God" is not a statement of bias, not a statement of purpose when we use it means it transcends the covenant it was written in. You show me the bias but do not show me the purpose, and the latter is what is needed.



the entire law points to Christ and is filtered through Christ. When we look at the old covenant nothing should be approached unless it is filtered first through Christ. The meaning of laws like do no murder, steal, adultery are rooted in love. the meaning of the 4th commandment is deeper and is rooted in the divine rest which is brought on from completion. Through God nothing is carnal work and everything is good works. "works" is brought on from the fall and is a metaphor of being a slave to sin but when we are seeking God's rest he conquers sin and we are no longer a slave to sin but a slave to Christ (Rom 7) his rest is what we desire and his rest is obtained by being bound to Christ or as Christ invites to be yoked with him. God has already defeated death and sin and he has already "accomplished". this is the 7th day, we seek his authority over death and sin, we seek his completion in our lives which is his rest, we seek his salvation upon us. This is God's rest and we cannot accomplish this through our carnal actions of one day and those actions certainly are not a door to his rest.

I see a lot of opinions here that is not backed up by scripture. I prefer to go by God’s clear Word.

The Ten Commandments are written for everyone, they are in a unit of Ten, not nine Exodus 34:28 and are part of God’s laws that is written in our hearts in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. God’s law points out sin Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 and sin is lawlessness 1 John 3:4. You break one commandment James said quoting directly from the Ten you break them all James 2:10-12. Jesus tells us we should not break the least of the commandments and has some warnings for those who teach others. Matthew 5:19. Jesus as our example kept all the commandments including the Sabbath as it was His custom going to the Temple on the Sabbath day reading God’s Word. Luke 4:16-22 John 15:10 as well as the apostles. Acts 18:4.

Hebrews 4 reinforces the Sabbath commandment Hebrews 4:9-10 and it does not say that Jesus is now the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
Rest here is sabbatismos which literally means keeping of the Sabbath. So this verse says there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

To enter into the Spiritual rest you must also cease from your work (Exodus 20:8-11) just as God did from His (Genesis 2:1-3)


God said the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 so your argument appears not to be with me.

Take care.
 
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Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)


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This one scripture does not wipe out the Sabbath commandment. Jesus warns us about teaching others to break the commandments Mathew 5:19 and we have been through this a few times, but I'm happy to go through this again. This one verse is not referring to one of God's commandments, the Holy day of the Lord thy God and all the seventh day Sabbath scripture in the entire bible. Jesus died because He was accused of breaking the Sabbath commandment. If this one verse wiped out one of the commandments of God, there would be an uproar in scripture, not silence.

Colossians 2:16-17 is not referring to the seventh day Sabbath, which is made abundantly clear when we back up to Colossians 2:14. I am happy to go through this again with you.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments.

But we can keep going.
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments. Since there are no contradictions in scripture, it must be referring to another law. The law of Moses was placed outside the ark of the covenant, written by Moses in a book as a witness against you, Deuteronomy 31:24 God's law is not grievous 1 John 5:3. The law of Moses was added because of sin Galatians 3:19, the law of God points out sin, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. The law of Moses contained curses Deuteronomy 29:20-21, Galatians 3:10 and made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19. The law of God is perfect Psalms 19:7 and brings blessings and peace Proverbs 29:18, Psalms 119:165 the law of Moses in the book of ordinances ended with Jesus being our Perfect sacrifice. Ephesians 2:15, Col 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13 not God's law which is ETERNAL and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:17-19

So there is 100% proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring to the Ten Commandments it is referring to the law of ordinances, not the COMMANDMENTS of God. Is there a sabbath(s) in the law of ordinances? Yes, and fits Colossians 2:16 to a tee as is about food and drink and holy days called sabbath(s) in scripture which has nothing to do with the commandments of God that was before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and is a memorial to God's Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep holy Exodus 20:8. The sabbath(s) feast days (animal and food offerings) is what ended, that is in the ordinances in the law of Moses, that was contrary to us and ended with Jesus our Sacrifice -See Hebrews 10 which is what Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to.

One more proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring the seventh day Sabbath

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything, it points back to Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep Holy and does not point to Christ on the cross.

Further proof, the Sabbath day continues to be God's chosen day of worship for eternity: Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised Exodus 31:1
 
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This one scripture does not wipe out the Sabbath commandment.

No. It reveals its fulfillment in the person of Christ.

The 4th commandment was the “sign” of the Sinai Covenant now found to be “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:13.


Paul revealed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29. Paul said the law was “added” 430 years “after” the promise made to Abraham “until” the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made. Jesus used the same word “until” in Matthew 5:17-18.


In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul told the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. Instead, we are come to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.



Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)
 
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No. It reveals its fulfillment in the person of Christ.

The 4th commandment was the “sign” of the Sinai Covenant now found to be “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:13.


Paul revealed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29. Paul said the law was “added” 430 years “after” the promise made to Abraham “until” the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made. Jesus used the same word “until” in Matthew 5:17-18.


In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul told the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. Instead, we are come to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.



Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

You obviously did not read my post, otherwise you would have read it is impossible for the Ten commandments including the Sabbath commandment to be nailed to the cross. You might want to reread my post.

The Sabbath is still a commandment after Jesus died, Luke 23:56, Jesus talked that the Sabbath would be kept before His second coming for His end time saints. Matthew 24:20, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14 and the saints will be keeping the Sabbath for eternity as the Lords Day of worship thus saith the Lord Isaiah 66:22-23 as promised by God. Exodus 31:16

And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17. Heaven and earth are still here, so is God's law.

Ignoring the Truth does not make it go away. We will have to agree to disagree

God bless
 
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The Sabbath is still a commandment after Jesus died, Luke 23:56
This can hardly be a proof. The women just did what they were used to do, there has been no apostolic theology developed yet, so quickly.

They did not even expect He will be resurrected, not to say having some Christian theology of the New Covenant ready.
 
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This can hardly be a proof. The women just did what they were used to do, there has been no apostolic theology developed yet, so quickly.
Hi there,

I disagree. It re-enforces all the other scripture we have about the Sabbath commandment. There is no scripture in all of the bible that states the 4th commandment is deleted from the Ten or the Ten commandments are no longer a requirement for everyday Christian living. There is no scripture stating that the Sabbath is no longer "the holy day of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and now God blessed/sanctified/made holy another day in it's place. This is a man-made teaching leading people away from God's Truth and breaking one of God's commandments. Jesus warns us about this exact scenario when we obey mans traditions over God's commandments. Matthew 15:3-9.
 
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The Ten Commandments are written for everyone

Source? Are they not "the two tablets of covenant law"? That would mean they are written for those under that covenant.

Jesus tells us we should not break the least of the commandments and has some warnings for those who teach others

There are a lot of laws, far more than 10. Are you prepared to say you not only keep but also teach all of them? Jesus tells us he came to fulfill not destroy. Those are very different focuses but they share a common product.

To enter into the Spiritual rest you must also cease from your work (Exodus 20:8-11) just as God did from His (Genesis 2:1-3)

You have got that backwards. Hebrews tell us the reverse. But if we are to take it in the order you suggest we are incapable of rest "just as God did". The 4th commandment is not for individuals it's for entire households where even the animals rest. The thing with animals is that they have no authority to take rest and rest needs to be given to them from one with authority. Likewise we cannot take rest ourselves, we need to be given the rest by the one with authority to do so. Baked right in the 4th commandment is a powerful salvation metaphor.

God said the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 so your argument appears not to be with me.

The Sabbath day is indeed on the seventh day. When did I say otherwise?
 
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